Car Talk 6: Best of times and Worst of Times

[CaleDeRoo]

I love that the 2 seat version still has cold seat anchors in the back

[Johnny_P]

That GR is going to be a collector item like the 1 series M was. Just due to rarity, the track ones at least.

Yeah I dunno. I like the looks and such but the motor does not sound good and I’m kinda over these type of cars anyway. I applaud them for making it but I’m not the target customer I guess. Like I’d probably really enjoy an automatic MK8 really.

[max225]

That GR is going to be a collector item like the 1 series M was. Just due to rarity, the track ones at least.

Yeah I dunno. I like the looks and such but the motor does not sound good and I’m kinda over these type of cars anyway. I applaud them for making it but I’m not the target customer I guess. Like I’d probably really enjoy an automatic MK8 really.

Yep it'll be just like the 103k + bring a fortune fee FJ.

[Desertbreh]

My brother bought 3 cars from his H diller which I assume is how he got it for msrp.

All the hate the GTI gets is for the new infotainment. I don't remember hearing any complaints about handling and power. Dynamically both GTI and R seem to be a big upgrade over Mk7.

GTI actually took an N in edmunds u drag videos. Both DCT's. Mk8's are definitely underrated on power.

I also really like the way it looks... compared to the prior. The infotainment is decent... Its not as good as switches I suppose. But for a 1/4 second interaction every drive I hardly see a problem.

Just get rid of the ramz

[ChrisoftheNorth]

You already know if won't fail. There are plenty of rich suckers out there.

If it alienates a lot of us it surely will alienate a lot of others. It destroys the brand also when you fuck with customers like that. People are only willing to put up with so much shit… for example we’re currently witnessing Honda self destruction.

They decided to build way less cars than demand as a case study. I don’t believe for one second that there is any sort of “shortage” at this point. That may have been true in 21 but it is no longer the case in 22.

They are destroying the brand as we speak. Every single dealer in Cali (biggest market in the us) at least is fucking their customers… and they won’t be back anytime soon.

Dealer loyalty across the industry is at record lows, same with brand loyalty. Not only that, but all of these people paying markups are instantly under water, and it's only going to get worse as vehicle depreciation accelerates. Lease mix is decimated because financing is cheaper than leasing right now (thanks to markups in large part), but leasing brought people back to market on a predictable 24-36mo cycle. Now that cycle is gone. And because so many people will be underwater, they won't be able to come back to "upgrade" at the intervals dealers are used to. People will be forced to stay in vehicles for longer.

Dealers are royally screwing themselves in the long run for short term gain. The automotive retail environment will be destroyed for a long time because of the last few years.

What's that mean for us? New car deals are gonna get GOOD in the next few years. Right now is probably the worst time ever to buy a new vehicle as dealers cling to greed despite seeing the writing on the wall. Paying markup for a car has always been dumb, but right now it's with what's on the horizon.

[max225]

If it alienates a lot of us it surely will alienate a lot of others. It destroys the brand also when you fuck with customers like that. People are only willing to put up with so much shit… for example we’re currently witnessing Honda self destruction.

They decided to build way less cars than demand as a case study. I don’t believe for one second that there is any sort of “shortage” at this point. That may have been true in 21 but it is no longer the case in 22.

They are destroying the brand as we speak. Every single dealer in Cali (biggest market in the us) at least is fucking their customers… and they won’t be back anytime soon.

Dealer loyalty across the industry is at record lows, same with brand loyalty. Not only that, but all of these people paying markups are instantly under water, and it's only going to get worse as vehicle depreciation accelerates. Lease mix is decimated because financing is cheaper than leasing right now (thanks to markups in large part), but leasing brought people back to market on a predictable 24-36mo cycle. Now that cycle is gone. And because so many people will be underwater, they won't be able to come back to "upgrade" at the intervals dealers are used to. People will be forced to stay in vehicles for longer.

Dealers are royally screwing themselves in the long run for short term gain. The automotive retail environment will be destroyed for a long time because of the last few years.

What's that mean for us? New car deals are gonna get GOOD in the next few years. Right now is probably the worst time ever to buy a new vehicle as dealers cling to greed despite seeing the writing on the wall. Paying markup for a car has always been dumb, but right now it's with what's on the horizon.

I feel like I am witnessing a financial crisis far worse than 2006/7... and people are just continuing to double down on debt laden "i need to have x y or z" lifecycle... I have no idea how we all will come out of this...

There is a student loan crisis + a housing crisis + auto loan crisis... at the VERY LEAST at the moment. Vs just a housing crisis prior... insanity.

imagine making 50k a year and financing a 25k car for 35k after markup an taxes... then losing your job... and being upside down on the near lot.

That will be the situation for the vast majority of s very soon... preaching to the choir but I got fucked hard during the last recession while people got "bailed out". Lets see how this one goes. I fear more of the same... get bailed out for all your wrong decisions by Zaddy gov.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Dealer loyalty across the industry is at record lows, same with brand loyalty. Not only that, but all of these people paying markups are instantly under water, and it's only going to get worse as vehicle depreciation accelerates. Lease mix is decimated because financing is cheaper than leasing right now (thanks to markups in large part), but leasing brought people back to market on a predictable 24-36mo cycle. Now that cycle is gone. And because so many people will be underwater, they won't be able to come back to "upgrade" at the intervals dealers are used to. People will be forced to stay in vehicles for longer.

Dealers are royally screwing themselves in the long run for short term gain. The automotive retail environment will be destroyed for a long time because of the last few years.

What's that mean for us? New car deals are gonna get GOOD in the next few years. Right now is probably the worst time ever to buy a new vehicle as dealers cling to greed despite seeing the writing on the wall. Paying markup for a car has always been dumb, but right now it's with what's on the horizon.

I feel like I am witnessing a financial crisis far worse than 2006/7... and people are just continuing to double down on debt laden "i need to have x y or z" lifecycle... I have no idea how we all will come out of this...

There is a student loan crisis + a housing crisis + auto loan crisis... at the VERY LEAST at the moment. Vs just a housing crisis prior... insanity.

imagine making 50k a year and financing a 25k car for 35k after markup an taxes... then losing your job... and being upside down on the near lot.

That will be the situation for the vast majority of s very soon... preaching to the choir but I got fucked hard during the last recession while people got "bailed out". Lets see how this one goes. I fear more of the same... get bailed out for all your wrong decisions by Zaddy gov.

Exactly. Vehicle repo rates gonna go nuts.

Can't repo a house . Housing values have been inflated for a while as well, and unlike a car that can just be repo'd, a house takes a lot of effort to get out of. And a lot of people are way overextended on houses because hOuSE pRicES gO uP 4eVeR so short sales, and etc gonna be a big thing again.

And yes, once again people will get bailed out. "Everything Loan bailout" will probably be the theme of 23-24. Which really me because once again being responsible and conservative will be the wrong approach.

[adoob]

Got back from Houston Monday night, figured I’d drop my thoughts on the GV80 we had as a rental via Turo.









Man do you feel driving one of these. It has such a strong presence.

It looks like a Bentley to the average . Every relative we visited, every place we pulled up to for the wedding events, people were intrigued.

The interior was real comfy, all the materials felt high end and the fit and finish was great. Road noise was really quiet, the infotainment and sound system were superb. The driver aids were intuitive and a step above what we have in our MDX. At stoplights if the car in front is pulling away and you don’t get moving the car will show a notification in the gauge cluster to let you know, the adaptive cruise has a lane change assist that matches the speed of the car in the lane you’re trying to change to instead of just in front of you once you put your signal on, and lane keep assist perfectly centered the car on most roads and even tracked the movement of the car in front to fill in when it couldn’t see the lines clearly. Very

It had the 2.5 L turbo inline 4, and surprisingly it gets up and goes pretty well. It didn’t feel like it was too slow at any time and was actually kind of enjoyable to drive quickly. Only downside imo is over large slow bumps the suspension was a little too stiff, taking away from the otherwise luxury car float feeling. But I feel like this is what made it so well composed in other handling scenarios.

I enjoyed this a lot. So did my mom, to the point she REALLY wants one to replace the MDX with. Our parents told my brother and I to surprise them with the choice of car and I think we accomplished that

And of course I had to be headass and take a photo dressed up with the car.

[Desertbreh]

I feel like I am witnessing a financial crisis far worse than 2006/7... and people are just continuing to double down on debt laden "i need to have x y or z" lifecycle... I have no idea how we all will come out of this...

There is a student loan crisis + a housing crisis + auto loan crisis... at the VERY LEAST at the moment. Vs just a housing crisis prior... insanity.

imagine making 50k a year and financing a 25k car for 35k after markup an taxes... then losing your job... and being upside down on the near lot.

That will be the situation for the vast majority of s very soon... preaching to the choir but I got fucked hard during the last recession while people got "bailed out". Lets see how this one goes. I fear more of the same... get bailed out for all your wrong decisions by Zaddy gov.

Exactly. Vehicle repo rates gonna go nuts.

Can't repo a house . Housing values have been inflated for a while as well, and unlike a car that can just be repo'd, a house takes a lot of effort to get out of. And a lot of people are way overextended on houses because hOuSE pRicES gO uP 4eVeR so short sales, and etc gonna be a big thing again.

And yes, once again people will get bailed out. "Everything Loan bailout" will probably be the theme of 23-24. Which really me because once again being responsible and conservative will be the wrong approach.

Max says this all the time. Lookit. There is not one god damned thing wrong with having a conscience and being a decent human being. Turns out, some of us actually get a better sleep at night knowing that our bills are paid and will be for the foreseeable future. You, me, Max, errbody on this effin forum. It is not the approach. We literally have a barcalounger and a cooler of beer with the best seats in the house for watching the world burn. Might even be able to get a few sweet deals. This is OUR TIME.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Exactly. Vehicle repo rates gonna go nuts.

Can't repo a house . Housing values have been inflated for a while as well, and unlike a car that can just be repo'd, a house takes a lot of effort to get out of. And a lot of people are way overextended on houses because hOuSE pRicES gO uP 4eVeR so short sales, and etc gonna be a big thing again.

And yes, once again people will get bailed out. "Everything Loan bailout" will probably be the theme of 23-24. Which really me because once again being responsible and conservative will be the wrong approach.

Max says this all the time. Lookit. There is not one god damned thing wrong with having a conscience and being a decent human being. Turns out, some of us actually get a better sleep at night knowing that our bills are paid and will be for the foreseeable future. You, me, Max, errbody on this effin forum. It is not the approach. We literally have a barcalounger and a cooler of beer with the best seats in the house for watching the world burn. Might even be able to get a few sweet deals. This is OUR TIME.

Maybe...it wouldn't surprise me if the .gov steps in with "loan relief" or some shit to prevent mass and keep people in their cars and homes. Which would keep prices high and inflation beyond the point of responsible actions. I could be rolling in a new TRX ZFG rather than a 23 year old homeless truck if the .gov would pick up the bill when I can't "afford" it anymore.

[Desertbreh]

Max says this all the time. Lookit. There is not one god damned thing wrong with having a conscience and being a decent human being. Turns out, some of us actually get a better sleep at night knowing that our bills are paid and will be for the foreseeable future. You, me, Max, errbody on this effin forum. It is not the approach. We literally have a barcalounger and a cooler of beer with the best seats in the house for watching the world burn. Might even be able to get a few sweet deals. This is OUR TIME.

Maybe...it wouldn't surprise me if the .gov steps in with "loan relief" or some shit to prevent mass and keep people in their cars and homes. Which would keep prices high and inflation beyond the point of responsible actions. I could be rolling in a new TRX ZFG rather than a 23 year old homeless truck if the .gov would pick up the bill when I can't "afford" it anymore.

I would like a new TRX as well, I gotta admit.

[wap]

Got back from Houston Monday night, figured I’d drop my thoughts on the GV80 we had as a rental via Turo.









Man do you feel driving one of these. It has such a strong presence.

It looks like a Bentley to the average . Every relative we visited, every place we pulled up to for the wedding events, people were intrigued.

The interior was real comfy, all the materials felt high end and the fit and finish was great. Road noise was really quiet, the infotainment and sound system were superb. The driver aids were intuitive and a step above what we have in our MDX. At stoplights if the car in front is pulling away and you don’t get moving the car will show a notification in the gauge cluster to let you know, the adaptive cruise has a lane change assist that matches the speed of the car in the lane you’re trying to change to instead of just in front of you once you put your signal on, and lane keep assist perfectly centered the car on most roads and even tracked the movement of the car in front to fill in when it couldn’t see the lines clearly. Very

It had the 2.5 L turbo inline 4, and surprisingly it gets up and goes pretty well. It didn’t feel like it was too slow at any time and was actually kind of enjoyable to drive quickly. Only downside imo is over large slow bumps the suspension was a little too stiff, taking away from the otherwise luxury car float feeling. But I feel like this is what made it so well composed in other handling scenarios.

I enjoyed this a lot. So did my mom, to the point she REALLY wants one to replace the MDX with. Our parents told my brother and I to surprise them with the choice of car and I think we accomplished that

And of course I had to be headass and take a photo dressed up with the car.

review. I see one of these every once in a while during my neighborhood walks, and it does look pretty great. Not surprised it was equally great to drive. Any interior pics?

[Desertbreh]

The BBK for the Tahoe has arrived, according to my wife. The box was apparently handled by many I have the install scheduled for tomorrow.

[MexicanYarisTK]

After and I will move in together the next summer, im strongly considering trading my accord for a supra

What does one have to do with other? Newsflash
Attaturk: Women destroy freedom. I would get the dickmobile PRIOR to shacking

She doesn't dictate my car decisions as long as im responsible financially

[MexicanYarisTK]

What does one have to do with other? Newsflash
Attaturk: Women destroy freedom. I would get the dickmobile PRIOR to shacking

Yep. Ain’t nobody will duck into a Supra and get their head bobbed every stop light.

But I live a quarter mile at a time, what should I do?

[max225]

Yep. Ain’t nobody will duck into a Supra and get their head bobbed every stop light.

But I live a quarter mile at a time, what should I do?

You know who to ask. The thing that bleeds every 28 days and doesn’t die

[max225]

The BBK for the Tahoe has arrived, according to my wife. The box was apparently handled by many I have the install scheduled for tomorrow.

Let’s see the before and after … also. Is this handled by yours truly or are you outsourcing?

[Desertbreh]

The BBK for the Tahoe has arrived, according to my wife. The box was apparently handled by many I have the install scheduled for tomorrow.

Let’s see the before and after … also. Is this handled by yours truly or are you outsourcing?

I'm taking it to my dude. The calipers seem straighforward enough I'm not sure I have the right tools to swap out the rotors.

[MexicanYarisTK]

But I live a quarter mile at a time, what should I do?

You know who to ask. The thing that bleeds every 28 days and doesn’t die

Sorry, I just had hibachi

[CaleDeRoo]

Got back from Houston Monday night, figured I’d drop my thoughts on the GV80 we had as a rental via Turo.









Man do you feel driving one of these. It has such a strong presence.

It looks like a Bentley to the average . Every relative we visited, every place we pulled up to for the wedding events, people were intrigued.

The interior was real comfy, all the materials felt high end and the fit and finish was great. Road noise was really quiet, the infotainment and sound system were superb. The driver aids were intuitive and a step above what we have in our MDX. At stoplights if the car in front is pulling away and you don’t get moving the car will show a notification in the gauge cluster to let you know, the adaptive cruise has a lane change assist that matches the speed of the car in the lane you’re trying to change to instead of just in front of you once you put your signal on, and lane keep assist perfectly centered the car on most roads and even tracked the movement of the car in front to fill in when it couldn’t see the lines clearly. Very

It had the 2.5 L turbo inline 4, and surprisingly it gets up and goes pretty well. It didn’t feel like it was too slow at any time and was actually kind of enjoyable to drive quickly. Only downside imo is over large slow bumps the suspension was a little too stiff, taking away from the otherwise luxury car float feeling. But I feel like this is what made it so well composed in other handling scenarios.

I enjoyed this a lot. So did my mom, to the point she REALLY wants one to replace the MDX with. Our parents told my brother and I to surprise them with the choice of car and I think we accomplished that

And of course I had to be headass and take a photo dressed up with the car.

I like these alot. They're pretty prevalent around here.

[adoob]

review. I see one of these every once in a while during my neighborhood walks, and it does look pretty great. Not surprised it was equally great to drive. Any interior pics?

Sadly didn’t grab any. I wish I did in hindsight, there’s a ton of little texture details throughout the interior that show how much thought was put into the design. All the interior lighting plastics and some of the other plastics has the same pattern as the grille physically etched into it below the clear as a reflective thing instead of just a printed design, the shifter dial is made of glass (or really high quality clear plastic idk) and lights up like a jewel in the same color as the rest of the interior ambient lighting (configurable colors and brightness). Just a really looking and feeling place to be.

[wap]

review. I see one of these every once in a while during my neighborhood walks, and it does look pretty great. Not surprised it was equally great to drive. Any interior pics?

Sadly didn’t grab any. I wish I did in hindsight, there’s a ton of little texture details throughout the interior that show how much thought was put into the design. All the interior lighting plastics and some of the other plastics has the same pattern as the grille physically etched into it below the clear as a reflective thing instead of just a printed design, the shifter dial is made of glass (or really high quality clear plastic idk) and lights up like a jewel in the same color as the rest of the interior ambient lighting (configurable colors and brightness). Just a really looking and feeling place to be.

Sounds really !

[golftdibrad1]

Looks like im buying a mazdaspeed miata.

[golftdibrad1]

Exactly. Vehicle repo rates gonna go nuts.

Can't repo a house . Housing values have been inflated for a while as well, and unlike a car that can just be repo'd, a house takes a lot of effort to get out of. And a lot of people are way overextended on houses because hOuSE pRicES gO uP 4eVeR so short sales, and etc gonna be a big thing again.

And yes, once again people will get bailed out. "Everything Loan bailout" will probably be the theme of 23-24. Which really me because once again being responsible and conservative will be the wrong approach.

Max says this all the time. Lookit. There is not one god damned thing wrong with having a conscience and being a decent human being. Turns out, some of us actually get a better sleep at night knowing that our bills are paid and will be for the foreseeable future. You, me, Max, errbody on this effin forum. It is not the approach. We literally have a barcalounger and a cooler of beer with the best seats in the house for watching the world burn. Might even be able to get a few sweet deals. This is OUR TIME.

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There were plently of debt slaves on this forum.... and now there are not. correlation is not causation but..... interesting no?

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I won't tell everyone what I paid for the MSM, but if you are curious I'll pm you

[CaleDeRoo]

In THE color. While not my personal favorite on that car it's the one I think about when I hear MS Miata