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Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:46 pm
by max225
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mini-john-co ... 00170.html

Pooper JCW GP "starts at $45,760"

:amazing: limited to 3k units... I wonder if they will actually sell em... I don't think the current JCW sells 3k and it "starts" at 33k

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:51 pm
by D Griff
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:46 pm https://www.yahoo.com/news/mini-john-co ... 00170.html

Pooper JCW GP "starts at $45,760"

:amazing: limited to 3k units... I wonder if they will actually sell em... I don't think the current JCW sells 3k and it "starts" at 33k
Yeah, that is a looooot of money. Hard to imagine buying that over say an M240i, high spec V8 Mustang/Camaro, etc. Used for $23K they might be :notbad: :doe:

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:56 pm
by Johnny_P
D Griff wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:15 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:10 pm Also, there's this:

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https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/c ... -the-year/

VelobsterN won Performance Car of the Year from R&T. Beat out the new Corvette, M2 comp, Supra, 911 CS.... Maybe clickbait article but :impressive: nonetheless.
Too bad no one is buying those :sad:
I fucking love it. Cheaper than a Type R and supposedly still great to hoon. What’s not to love.

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:57 pm
by max225
D Griff wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:51 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:46 pm https://www.yahoo.com/news/mini-john-co ... 00170.html

Pooper JCW GP "starts at $45,760"

:amazing: limited to 3k units... I wonder if they will actually sell em... I don't think the current JCW sells 3k and it "starts" at 33k
Yeah, that is a looooot of money. Hard to imagine buying that over say an M240i, high spec V8 Mustang/Camaro, etc. Used for $23K they might be :notbad: :doe:
They are quite different cars though... V8 mustang and camero are tough to compare...
Golf R, civic R however are a more interesting comparo...
used M2 is as well... they are smack down in that price... I think this will likely go to Mini die hards only... those that owned the prior ones...

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:57 pm
by CorvetteWaxer
CaleDeRoo wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:40 pm
CorvetteWaxer wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:04 pm

Yeah, I like national as well. I get the emerald club by having the Amex Platinum and it's a decent perk.
Which tier do you get with that card?


Even my 63 year old mom knows to demand something "not a Nissan" at the counter
Default is Executive Status with zero rentals previously. Also up to 25% off rentals and $15 off a 3 day weekend rental.

The card is decent, and looks impressive since it's metal. Gets you into the Centurion lounges, Delta VIP lounges (if flying Delta) at airports and another name lounge I forget at the moment. It also upgrades your Hilton Honors and Mariott Bonvoy memberships and they pay for your TSA PreCheck or Global Entry fees. Uber credits of $15/month, $200/year in airline credits for things like checked bags.... tons of points if you book travel and hotels via the Amex portal. stuff like that. Makes it worth the $500 annual fee, at least so far.

The welcome bonus was pretty decent too, I cashed it in for like $800 at Bed Bath and Beyond. Combined with their 20% off coupons you always get we got a lot of stuff for "free".

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:58 pm
by Johnny_P
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:29 pm
D Griff wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:26 pm

I saw some at Tail of the Dragon in May... haven't spotted one in the wild since.
I mean they are in a very niche place in the market.
Hyundai is a shitty brand commanding an expensive premium for performance. So this is someone who :aintcare: about brand, :aintcare: about RWD, and :aintcare: about having 3 doors. This is a rare customer... especially when a used golf R is the same price and Pooper JCW is 10k less. A BRZ is around the same price... and tons of other performance can be had for 30k ... I am really :notsure: who this customer is... other than someone trying to "prove the internet wrong" or "die hard H fan"
Its a crowded market, but given lack of :dillerman: discunts, people are buying them.
Someone who wants a hot hatch that’s not a VW. I mean I’d buy one. If they were out when I was shopping for the WRX i would have looked at them.

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:58 pm
by max225
CorvetteWaxer wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:57 pm
CaleDeRoo wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:40 pm
Which tier do you get with that card?


Even my 63 year old mom knows to demand something "not a Nissan" at the counter
Default is Executive Status with zero rentals previously. Also up to 25% off rentals and $15 off a 3 day weekend rental.

The card is decent, and looks impressive since it's metal. Gets you into the Centurion lounges, Delta VIP lounges (if flying Delta) at airports and another name lounge I forget at the moment. It also upgrades your Hilton Honors and Mariott Bonvoy memberships and they pay for your TSA PreCheck or Global Entry fees.

The welcome bonus was pretty decent too, I cashed it in for like $800 at Bed Bath and Beyond. Combined with their 20% off coupons you always get we got a lot of stuff for "free".
Looks like they are trying to copy Sapphire reserve.

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:59 pm
by D Griff
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:57 pm
D Griff wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:51 pm

Yeah, that is a looooot of money. Hard to imagine buying that over say an M240i, high spec V8 Mustang/Camaro, etc. Used for $23K they might be :notbad: :doe:
They are quite different cars though... V8 mustang and camero are tough to compare...
Golf R, civic R however are a more interesting comparo...
used M2 is as well... they are smack down in that price... I think this will likely go to Mini die hards only... those that owned the prior ones...
True, but just as far as price comparison. This is $12K more than a Type R and does it even have LSD? It's also worse on fuel, less space, etc. Seems like a tougher niche than the Veloster N to me just based on price alone. You start getting really good cars in that price range.

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:02 pm
by Apex
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:57 pm
D Griff wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:51 pm

Yeah, that is a looooot of money. Hard to imagine buying that over say an M240i, high spec V8 Mustang/Camaro, etc. Used for $23K they might be :notbad: :doe:
They are quite different cars though... V8 mustang and camero are tough to compare...
Golf R, civic R however are a more interesting comparo...
used M2 is as well... they are smack down in that price... I think this will likely go to Mini die hards only... those that owned the prior ones...
:dat:

They will sell all of them to MINI people. They dgaf about anyone cross shopping with a :gorf: or Type R because MINI people are crazy.

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:02 pm
by Johnny_P
D Griff wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:59 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:57 pm

They are quite different cars though... V8 mustang and camero are tough to compare...
Golf R, civic R however are a more interesting comparo...
used M2 is as well... they are smack down in that price... I think this will likely go to Mini die hards only... those that owned the prior ones...
True, but just as far as price comparison. This is $12K more than a Type R and does it even have LSD? It's also worse on fuel, less space, etc. Seems like a tougher niche than the Veloster N to me just based on price alone. You start getting really good cars in that price range.
The price has always been a major barrier to entry for the fancy JCW poopers. Up until a year ago they were also severely down on power (paper at least) compared to the others.

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:03 pm
by CorvetteWaxer
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:58 pm
CorvetteWaxer wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:57 pm

Default is Executive Status with zero rentals previously. Also up to 25% off rentals and $15 off a 3 day weekend rental.

The card is decent, and looks impressive since it's metal. Gets you into the Centurion lounges, Delta VIP lounges (if flying Delta) at airports and another name lounge I forget at the moment. It also upgrades your Hilton Honors and Mariott Bonvoy memberships and they pay for your TSA PreCheck or Global Entry fees.

The welcome bonus was pretty decent too, I cashed it in for like $800 at Bed Bath and Beyond. Combined with their 20% off coupons you always get we got a lot of stuff for "free".
Looks like they are trying to copy Sapphire reserve.
Yeah. They also let you pay over time if you're approved for that option. It's pretty crazy because they gave me $200k in spending power (charge card) and $180k in pay over time (credit card). Last month I put $20k on it and paid it off. Should have some decent points this month. I bet I still won't get an invite for the Centurion/Black card though. :lol:

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:23 pm
by max225
D Griff wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:59 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:57 pm

They are quite different cars though... V8 mustang and camero are tough to compare...
Golf R, civic R however are a more interesting comparo...
used M2 is as well... they are smack down in that price... I think this will likely go to Mini die hards only... those that owned the prior ones...
True, but just as far as price comparison. This is $12K more than a Type R and does it even have LSD? It's also worse on fuel, less space, etc. Seems like a tougher niche than the Veloster N to me just based on price alone. You start getting really good cars in that price range.
a hyper R is not 12k less. They are 38k now and most have 5k mark up... i think the actual transaction prices will be closer. And the interior in the mini is way better than a hype R. But both are plagued with atrocious exterior trimmings now.

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:26 pm
by max225
Johnny_P wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:02 pm
D Griff wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:59 pm

True, but just as far as price comparison. This is $12K more than a Type R and does it even have LSD? It's also worse on fuel, less space, etc. Seems like a tougher niche than the Veloster N to me just based on price alone. You start getting really good cars in that price range.
The price has always been a major barrier to entry for the fancy JCW poopers. Up until a year ago they were also severely down on power (paper at least) compared to the others.
They are sort of down on power, they are also a bit smaller than the rest, and have far better interiors/quality IMO. It really depends on what you value. The veloster is sort of rental spec inside... but it kills the JCW in particular with the LSD piece. That's a :disgust: omission IMO but :aintcare: these are not "race" cars... DD ability is key... they are all sort of similar in that regard, but the Hype R has an enormous amount of space.

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:27 pm
by Johnny_P
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:23 pm
D Griff wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:59 pm

True, but just as far as price comparison. This is $12K more than a Type R and does it even have LSD? It's also worse on fuel, less space, etc. Seems like a tougher niche than the Veloster N to me just based on price alone. You start getting really good cars in that price range.
a hyper R is not 12k less. They are 38k now and most have 5k mark up... i think the actual transaction prices will be closer. And the interior in the mini is way better than a hype R. But both are plagued with atrocious exterior trimmings now.
Hype R will have better resale

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:29 pm
by CaleDeRoo
CorvetteWaxer wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:57 pm
CaleDeRoo wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:40 pm
Which tier do you get with that card?


Even my 63 year old mom knows to demand something "not a Nissan" at the counter
Default is Executive Status with zero rentals previously. Also up to 25% off rentals and $15 off a 3 day weekend rental.

The card is decent, and looks impressive since it's metal. Gets you into the Centurion lounges, Delta VIP lounges (if flying Delta) at airports and another name lounge I forget at the moment. It also upgrades your Hilton Honors and Mariott Bonvoy memberships and they pay for your TSA PreCheck or Global Entry fees. Uber credits of $15/month, $200/year in airline credits for things like checked bags.... tons of points if you book travel and hotels via the Amex portal. stuff like that. Makes it worth the $500 annual fee, at least so far.

The welcome bonus was pretty decent too, I cashed it in for like $800 at Bed Bath and Beyond. Combined with their 20% off coupons you always get we got a lot of stuff for "free".
Oh nice. My dad's executive status runs out this year and he will definitely be in for a shock at the cost of renting vehicles he's used to.

My poverty card includes rental car insurance and that's about it. :rage:

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:29 pm
by max225
Apex wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:02 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:57 pm

They are quite different cars though... V8 mustang and camero are tough to compare...
Golf R, civic R however are a more interesting comparo...
used M2 is as well... they are smack down in that price... I think this will likely go to Mini die hards only... those that owned the prior ones...
:dat:

They will sell all of them to MINI people. They dgaf about anyone cross shopping with a :gorf: or Type R because MINI people are crazy.
Mini people don't really buy THAT many... The brand is dying...

Mini sold 43k cars in the entire year as a BRAND ... that's 1/7th of what the civic sold as a model. They sold 9000 2 door hard tops... expecting a 30% take rate... is nuts... I bet there will be left overs... This thing will not sell..

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:29 pm
by max225
Johnny_P wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:27 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:23 pm

a hyper R is not 12k less. They are 38k now and most have 5k mark up... i think the actual transaction prices will be closer. And the interior in the mini is way better than a hype R. But both are plagued with atrocious exterior trimmings now.
Hype R will have better resale
That's for sure.

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:31 pm
by max225
Hype R's are coming down :doe: here is a pre vaped one for under 30k... this was impossible 6 months ago when I was looking.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventory ... =248734867

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:33 pm
by Desertbreh
max225 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:05 pm
troyguitar wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:02 pm This kind of crap has been my biggest issue with buying anything new. It's hard to justify it when other people are going to ruin the thing unless you never drive it.
You just have to accept that 12 bucket method and 9 layers of ceramic coating are pointless for a DD. Cars get used... you can do 10 years of DDing and the car will slowly get worn out with dings and damages. Such is life.

Nothing new is “collectible” anyways so :whocares: enjoy it, until it turns into a pile which is a ways away.
:wrong: Fight the fight man.

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:36 pm
by max225
Desertbreh wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:33 pm
max225 wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:05 pm

You just have to accept that 12 bucket method and 9 layers of ceramic coating are pointless for a DD. Cars get used... you can do 10 years of DDing and the car will slowly get worn out with dings and damages. Such is life.

Nothing new is “collectible” anyways so :whocares: enjoy it, until it turns into a pile which is a ways away.
:wrong: Fight the fight man.
You live in :unicorn: desert lands with no liquids or solids coming from the sky. KNOW THY AUDIENCE DFD 3:16

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:38 pm
by D Griff
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:31 pm Hype R's are coming down :doe: here is a pre vaped one for under 30k... this was impossible 6 months ago when I was looking.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventory ... =248734867
:notbad:

I think I'll try to get one at some point.

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:41 pm
by max225
D Griff wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:38 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:31 pm Hype R's are coming down :doe: here is a pre vaped one for under 30k... this was impossible 6 months ago when I was looking.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventory ... =248734867
:notbad:

I think I'll try to get one at some point.
I like em, but not at their price points... even used. There is just so much more out there...

Re: Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:42 pm
by Gberg2119
max225 wrote:Hype R's are coming down :doe: here is a pre vaped one for under 30k... this was impossible 6 months ago when I was looking.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventory ... =248734867
:gag:

Maybe he knows zombie hunter?

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Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:54 pm
by Johnny_P
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:31 pm Hype R's are coming down :doe: here is a pre vaped one for under 30k... this was impossible 6 months ago when I was looking.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventory ... =248734867
:impressive:

Car Talk 4: Cars for the Poors

Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:03 pm
by razr390
CorvetteWaxer wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:03 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:58 pm

Looks like they are trying to copy Sapphire reserve.
Yeah. They also let you pay over time if you're approved for that option. It's pretty crazy because they gave me $200k in spending power (charge card) and $180k in pay over time (credit card). Last month I put $20k on it and paid it off. Should have some decent points this month. I bet I still won't get an invite for the Centurion/Black card though. :lol:
You’ll get an invite after spending $250k/year for some time.