Car Talk 4: The Richard Hertz Rent-A-Car 500

[max225]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mini-john-co ... 00170.html

Pooper JCW GP "starts at $45,760"

limited to 3k units... I wonder if they will actually sell em... I don't think the current JCW sells 3k and it "starts" at 33k

[D Griff]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mini-john-co ... 00170.html

Pooper JCW GP "starts at $45,760"

limited to 3k units... I wonder if they will actually sell em... I don't think the current JCW sells 3k and it "starts" at 33k

Yeah, that is a looooot of money. Hard to imagine buying that over say an M240i, high spec V8 Mustang/Camaro, etc. Used for $23K they might be

[Johnny_P]

Also, there's this:





https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/c ... -the-year/

VelobsterN won Performance Car of the Year from R&T. Beat out the new Corvette, M2 comp, Supra, 911 CS.... Maybe clickbait article but nonetheless.

Too bad no one is buying those

I fucking love it. Cheaper than a Type R and supposedly still great to hoon. What’s not to love.

[max225]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mini-john-co ... 00170.html

Pooper JCW GP "starts at $45,760"

limited to 3k units... I wonder if they will actually sell em... I don't think the current JCW sells 3k and it "starts" at 33k

Yeah, that is a looooot of money. Hard to imagine buying that over say an M240i, high spec V8 Mustang/Camaro, etc. Used for $23K they might be

They are quite different cars though... V8 mustang and camero are tough to compare...
Golf R, civic R however are a more interesting comparo...
used M2 is as well... they are smack down in that price... I think this will likely go to Mini die hards only... those that owned the prior ones...

[CorvetteWaxer]

Yeah, I like national as well. I get the emerald club by having the Amex Platinum and it's a decent perk.

Which tier do you get with that card?


Even my 63 year old mom knows to demand something "not a Nissan" at the counter

Default is Executive Status with zero rentals previously. Also up to 25% off rentals and $15 off a 3 day weekend rental.

The card is decent, and looks impressive since it's metal. Gets you into the Centurion lounges, Delta VIP lounges (if flying Delta) at airports and another name lounge I forget at the moment. It also upgrades your Hilton Honors and Mariott Bonvoy memberships and they pay for your TSA PreCheck or Global Entry fees. Uber credits of $15/month, $200/year in airline credits for things like checked bags.... tons of points if you book travel and hotels via the Amex portal. stuff like that. Makes it worth the $500 annual fee, at least so far.

The welcome bonus was pretty decent too, I cashed it in for like $800 at Bed Bath and Beyond. Combined with their 20% off coupons you always get we got a lot of stuff for "free".

[Johnny_P]

I saw some at Tail of the Dragon in May... haven't spotted one in the wild since.

I mean they are in a very niche place in the market.
Hyundai is a shitty brand commanding an expensive premium for performance. So this is someone who about brand, about RWD, and about having 3 doors. This is a rare customer... especially when a used golf R is the same price and Pooper JCW is 10k less. A BRZ is around the same price... and tons of other performance can be had for 30k ... I am really who this customer is... other than someone trying to "prove the internet wrong" or "die hard H fan"
Its a crowded market, but given lack of discunts, people are buying them.

Someone who wants a hot hatch that’s not a VW. I mean I’d buy one. If they were out when I was shopping for the WRX i would have looked at them.

[max225]

Which tier do you get with that card?


Even my 63 year old mom knows to demand something "not a Nissan" at the counter

Default is Executive Status with zero rentals previously. Also up to 25% off rentals and $15 off a 3 day weekend rental.

The card is decent, and looks impressive since it's metal. Gets you into the Centurion lounges, Delta VIP lounges (if flying Delta) at airports and another name lounge I forget at the moment. It also upgrades your Hilton Honors and Mariott Bonvoy memberships and they pay for your TSA PreCheck or Global Entry fees.

The welcome bonus was pretty decent too, I cashed it in for like $800 at Bed Bath and Beyond. Combined with their 20% off coupons you always get we got a lot of stuff for "free".

Looks like they are trying to copy Sapphire reserve.

[D Griff]

Yeah, that is a looooot of money. Hard to imagine buying that over say an M240i, high spec V8 Mustang/Camaro, etc. Used for $23K they might be

They are quite different cars though... V8 mustang and camero are tough to compare...
Golf R, civic R however are a more interesting comparo...
used M2 is as well... they are smack down in that price... I think this will likely go to Mini die hards only... those that owned the prior ones...

True, but just as far as price comparison. This is $12K more than a Type R and does it even have LSD? It's also worse on fuel, less space, etc. Seems like a tougher niche than the Veloster N to me just based on price alone. You start getting really good cars in that price range.

[Apex]

Yeah, that is a looooot of money. Hard to imagine buying that over say an M240i, high spec V8 Mustang/Camaro, etc. Used for $23K they might be

They are quite different cars though... V8 mustang and camero are tough to compare...
Golf R, civic R however are a more interesting comparo...
used M2 is as well... they are smack down in that price... I think this will likely go to Mini die hards only... those that owned the prior ones...

They will sell all of them to MINI people. They dgaf about anyone cross shopping with a or Type R because MINI people are crazy.

[Johnny_P]

They are quite different cars though... V8 mustang and camero are tough to compare...
Golf R, civic R however are a more interesting comparo...
used M2 is as well... they are smack down in that price... I think this will likely go to Mini die hards only... those that owned the prior ones...

True, but just as far as price comparison. This is $12K more than a Type R and does it even have LSD? It's also worse on fuel, less space, etc. Seems like a tougher niche than the Veloster N to me just based on price alone. You start getting really good cars in that price range.

The price has always been a major barrier to entry for the fancy JCW poopers. Up until a year ago they were also severely down on power (paper at least) compared to the others.

[CorvetteWaxer]

Default is Executive Status with zero rentals previously. Also up to 25% off rentals and $15 off a 3 day weekend rental.

The card is decent, and looks impressive since it's metal. Gets you into the Centurion lounges, Delta VIP lounges (if flying Delta) at airports and another name lounge I forget at the moment. It also upgrades your Hilton Honors and Mariott Bonvoy memberships and they pay for your TSA PreCheck or Global Entry fees.

The welcome bonus was pretty decent too, I cashed it in for like $800 at Bed Bath and Beyond. Combined with their 20% off coupons you always get we got a lot of stuff for "free".

Looks like they are trying to copy Sapphire reserve.

Yeah. They also let you pay over time if you're approved for that option. It's pretty crazy because they gave me $200k in spending power (charge card) and $180k in pay over time (credit card). Last month I put $20k on it and paid it off. Should have some decent points this month. I bet I still won't get an invite for the Centurion/Black card though.

[max225]

They are quite different cars though... V8 mustang and camero are tough to compare...
Golf R, civic R however are a more interesting comparo...
used M2 is as well... they are smack down in that price... I think this will likely go to Mini die hards only... those that owned the prior ones...

True, but just as far as price comparison. This is $12K more than a Type R and does it even have LSD? It's also worse on fuel, less space, etc. Seems like a tougher niche than the Veloster N to me just based on price alone. You start getting really good cars in that price range.

a hyper R is not 12k less. They are 38k now and most have 5k mark up... i think the actual transaction prices will be closer. And the interior in the mini is way better than a hype R. But both are plagued with atrocious exterior trimmings now.

[max225]

True, but just as far as price comparison. This is $12K more than a Type R and does it even have LSD? It's also worse on fuel, less space, etc. Seems like a tougher niche than the Veloster N to me just based on price alone. You start getting really good cars in that price range.

The price has always been a major barrier to entry for the fancy JCW poopers. Up until a year ago they were also severely down on power (paper at least) compared to the others.

They are sort of down on power, they are also a bit smaller than the rest, and have far better interiors/quality IMO. It really depends on what you value. The veloster is sort of rental spec inside... but it kills the JCW in particular with the LSD piece. That's a omission IMO but these are not "race" cars... DD ability is key... they are all sort of similar in that regard, but the Hype R has an enormous amount of space.

[Johnny_P]

True, but just as far as price comparison. This is $12K more than a Type R and does it even have LSD? It's also worse on fuel, less space, etc. Seems like a tougher niche than the Veloster N to me just based on price alone. You start getting really good cars in that price range.

a hyper R is not 12k less. They are 38k now and most have 5k mark up... i think the actual transaction prices will be closer. And the interior in the mini is way better than a hype R. But both are plagued with atrocious exterior trimmings now.

Hype R will have better resale

[CaleDeRoo]

Which tier do you get with that card?


Even my 63 year old mom knows to demand something "not a Nissan" at the counter

Default is Executive Status with zero rentals previously. Also up to 25% off rentals and $15 off a 3 day weekend rental.

The card is decent, and looks impressive since it's metal. Gets you into the Centurion lounges, Delta VIP lounges (if flying Delta) at airports and another name lounge I forget at the moment. It also upgrades your Hilton Honors and Mariott Bonvoy memberships and they pay for your TSA PreCheck or Global Entry fees. Uber credits of $15/month, $200/year in airline credits for things like checked bags.... tons of points if you book travel and hotels via the Amex portal. stuff like that. Makes it worth the $500 annual fee, at least so far.

The welcome bonus was pretty decent too, I cashed it in for like $800 at Bed Bath and Beyond. Combined with their 20% off coupons you always get we got a lot of stuff for "free".

Oh nice. My dad's executive status runs out this year and he will definitely be in for a shock at the cost of renting vehicles he's used to.

My poverty card includes rental car insurance and that's about it.

[max225]

They are quite different cars though... V8 mustang and camero are tough to compare...
Golf R, civic R however are a more interesting comparo...
used M2 is as well... they are smack down in that price... I think this will likely go to Mini die hards only... those that owned the prior ones...

They will sell all of them to MINI people. They dgaf about anyone cross shopping with a or Type R because MINI people are crazy.

Mini people don't really buy THAT many... The brand is dying...

Mini sold 43k cars in the entire year as a BRAND ... that's 1/7th of what the civic sold as a model. They sold 9000 2 door hard tops... expecting a 30% take rate... is nuts... I bet there will be left overs... This thing will not sell..

[max225]

a hyper R is not 12k less. They are 38k now and most have 5k mark up... i think the actual transaction prices will be closer. And the interior in the mini is way better than a hype R. But both are plagued with atrocious exterior trimmings now.

Hype R will have better resale

That's for sure.

[max225]

Hype R's are coming down here is a pre vaped one for under 30k... this was impossible 6 months ago when I was looking.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventory ... =248734867

[Desertbreh]

This kind of crap has been my biggest issue with buying anything new. It's hard to justify it when other people are going to ruin the thing unless you never drive it.

You just have to accept that 12 bucket method and 9 layers of ceramic coating are pointless for a DD. Cars get used... you can do 10 years of DDing and the car will slowly get worn out with dings and damages. Such is life.

Nothing new is “collectible” anyways so enjoy it, until it turns into a pile which is a ways away.

Fight the fight man.

[max225]

You just have to accept that 12 bucket method and 9 layers of ceramic coating are pointless for a DD. Cars get used... you can do 10 years of DDing and the car will slowly get worn out with dings and damages. Such is life.

Nothing new is “collectible” anyways so enjoy it, until it turns into a pile which is a ways away.

Fight the fight man.

You live in desert lands with no liquids or solids coming from the sky. KNOW THY AUDIENCE DFD 3:16

[D Griff]

Hype R's are coming down here is a pre vaped one for under 30k... this was impossible 6 months ago when I was looking.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventory ... =248734867

I think I'll try to get one at some point.

[max225]

Hype R's are coming down here is a pre vaped one for under 30k... this was impossible 6 months ago when I was looking.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventory ... =248734867

I think I'll try to get one at some point.

I like em, but not at their price points... even used. There is just so much more out there...

[Gberg2119]

Hype R's are coming down here is a pre vaped one for under 30k... this was impossible 6 months ago when I was looking.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventory ... =248734867

Maybe he knows zombie hunter?

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[Johnny_P]

Hype R's are coming down here is a pre vaped one for under 30k... this was impossible 6 months ago when I was looking.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventory ... =248734867

[razr390]

Looks like they are trying to copy Sapphire reserve.

Yeah. They also let you pay over time if you're approved for that option. It's pretty crazy because they gave me $200k in spending power (charge card) and $180k in pay over time (credit card). Last month I put $20k on it and paid it off. Should have some decent points this month. I bet I still won't get an invite for the Centurion/Black card though.

You’ll get an invite after spending $250k/year for some time.