Car Talk 6: Best of times and Worst of Times

[max225]

This thing is pretty gnarly... I would love to have this if I weren't playing lead role in "Married With Children".

https://staging.toyota.com/upcoming-veh ... 42jJIu9NEU

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[Tar]

This thing is pretty gnarly... I would love to have this if I weren't playing lead role in "Married With Children".

https://staging.toyota.com/upcoming-veh ... 42jJIu9NEU

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Really?

[wap]

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Really?

Yeah, that link doesn't work for me any more, either.

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[wap]

It worked for me about a half hour ago,

[Tar]

Performance
GR Corolla sports a 1.6L turbocharged engine with 300 hp and 273 lb.-ft. of torque, paired with a 6-speed Intelligent Manual Transmission (iMT). Showcasing its capabilities to put power to the ground, its GR-FOUR AWD system automatically distributes power from 50/50 up to 30/70 front and rear for ultimate traction come rain or shine. And by enhancing your drive with Normal, Sport and Track Modes, this hot hatch is more than ready to rally.

Design
Outfitted with an aggressive front grille, flared fenders to accommodate a wide track, rear diffuser and functional vents for enhancing aerodynamics and cooling—there’s no need for GR Corolla to fight for attention. Inside, a GR leather-trimmed steering wheel and unique gauge cluster elevates your excitement on any track. GR Corolla Launch Edition pours on the details even further with a forged carbon-fiber roof, vented hood, matte-black 18-in. wheels * and upgraded Ultrasuede® * and synthetic leather-trimmed seats.

Handling
For whatever road you take, GR Corolla’s circuit-tuned suspension and Michelin® Pilot® Sport 4S tires * won’t let harsh road conditions rain on your parade. GR Corolla Launch Edition features front and rear Torsen® * limited-slip differential for a better grip while upgraded performance brakes help you dig into corners. It’s time to find your new comfort zone.

[max225]

Ty ! Looks as expected…

[Tar]

Ty ! Looks as expected…

No problemo...
It does a lot of cool things, like 30/70 rear bias AWD, LSD, etc. Pretty nice equipment offerings on it.

[Johnny_P]

Sounds awesome

[ChrisoftheNorth]

So

[ChrisoftheNorth]

There's a lot of mention of "launch edition features" like the vented hood, LSD front and rear, and suspension. Curious what that's all about. Sign me up for the poverty version in a few years...hopefully it's in production that long.

[CaleDeRoo]

There's a lot of mention of "launch edition features" like the vented hood, LSD front and rear, and suspension. Curious what that's all about. Sign me up for the poverty version in a few years...hopefully it's in production that long.

That stuff will probably be in the optional "track pack" like the Yaris. Which if you buy one without that stuff you're just throwing away the resale, so you might as well get it and enjoy it.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

There's a lot of mention of "launch edition features" like the vented hood, LSD front and rear, and suspension. Curious what that's all about. Sign me up for the poverty version in a few years...hopefully it's in production that long.

That stuff will probably be in the optional "track pack" like the Yaris. Which if you buy one without that stuff you're just throwing away the resale, so you might as well get it and enjoy it.

I want something sporty but somewhat soft because I'm an old and roads suck. Resale would be fucked, but I'd actually probably enjoy it more.

[adoob]

I really, REALLY like what I'm seeing with the Corolla GR so far. Very cool. If only I could afford one. I wonder what pricing will be. I hope it's competitive so it sells well.

[wap]

I really, REALLY like what I'm seeing with the Corolla GR so far. Very cool. If only I could afford one. I wonder what pricing will be. I hope it's competitive so it sells well.

And maybe, just maybe, it inspires other OEM's to make something similar...

[Gberg2119]

Love the new GR. Anything on price yet? I'm guessing high 30's but I can't wait to see them for $60k on dealer lots.

[Huckleberry]

I'm really digging the GR Corolla. Hopefully it won't be priced to the moon with dealers marking it up beyond Mars.

[fledonfoot]

Pepper thine anguses, the ADMs are coming.

Not here

I’m not sure if they’re going to sell far outside of their PMA but reach out and I can probably get one at MSRP for those willing to get in line behind me. Same with the GR86.

[adoob]

I'm really digging the GR Corolla. Hopefully it won't be priced to the moon with dealers marking it up beyond Mars.

I predict around $40k. The circuit pack with the bulgy hood and carbon fiber roof will be more, and the Core without the bulgy bits will be a bit less.

Think about what it's competing against: GoRf and CTR. It's also a legitimate drivers car with AWD.

Pepper thine anguses, the ADMs are coming.

I'm gonna be a little more hopeful and go with 35k starting. It's competing with both R's but as a performance brand GR doesn't have the history that the Type R name does. Price might make it more appealing. Richard is betting on it matching or being close to the Elantra N's MSRP. Either way, very cool car that I'm excited for.

[D Griff]

I imagine it’ll be tough to get into one for less than $55k for the first year, so get in Fled’s line if you want one.

Seems pretty cool though, would hood.

[D Griff]

I predict around $40k. The circuit pack with the bulgy hood and carbon fiber roof will be more, and the Core without the bulgy bits will be a bit less.

Think about what it's competing against: GoRf and CTR. It's also a legitimate drivers car with AWD.

Pepper thine anguses, the ADMs are coming.

I'm gonna be a little more hopeful and go with 35k starting. It's competing with both R's but as a performance brand GR doesn't have the history that the Type R name does. Price might make it more appealing. Richard is betting on it matching or being close to the Elantra N's MSRP. Either way, very cool car that I'm excited for.

GTIs are $40k now though

$35k is a nice thought but I doubt it.

Hyundai are unique with the value proposition right now because they’ve never done any performance anything and they’re still in the proving themselves phase in that market. Many people still feel like Max and turn their noses at slanty H as well.

[Huckleberry]

I'm gonna be a little more hopeful and go with 35k starting. It's competing with both R's but as a performance brand GR doesn't have the history that the Type R name does. Price might make it more appealing. Richard is betting on it matching or being close to the Elantra N's MSRP. Either way, very cool car that I'm excited for.

GTIs are $40k now though

$35k is a nice thought but I doubt it.

Hyundai are unique with the value proposition right now because they’ve never done any performance anything and they’re still in the proving themselves phase in that market. Many people still feel like Max and turn their noses at slanty H as well.

The slanty H can promptly go fuck themselves after the experience my cousin and his wife had with them. The engine in their 2013 Soul popped and you can't get a new one. After I did some looking around, these 1.6 and 2.0 engines are popping left and right due to excessive oil consumption issues. So frequently, in fact, that class-action lawsuits were filed. The 2.0 lawsuit stuck, but the 1.6 was thrown out due to semantics. So, Hyundai washed their hands of the whole thing and stopped offering the 1.6 replacement engines. We ordered directly from Kia/Hyundai online suppliers, who had the engine marked as being in stock, but they all cancelled the orders saying the engine was discontinued. The only options left were to pull the existing engine to have it rebuilt, get a junkyard engine, or go buy a cheap car and ride out this nonsensical market.

Needless to say, his wife is loving her new 1998 Volvo S70 with 85k on the clock.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I imagine it’ll be tough to get into one for less than $55k for the first year, so get in Fled’s line if you want one.

Seems pretty cool though, would hood.

My dealer flat "doesn't believe in markups". I already contacted my sales dude to let me know if they get any lines on GR Corollas. He said they don't usually get specialty models, but I'm the first to ask so we'll see.

But I don't NEED one this year, so as long as they produce it for more than a few years, I'd probably just buy one when they're more readily available.

[max225]

These are never going to be “readily” available. Toyota is going to produce far less than the demand. Just like they are doing with the GR Yaris.

Also I’m anticipating the price to be in the low 40s for the “base” and mid 40s for the limited slip model

[ChrisoftheNorth]

These are never going to be “readily” available. Toyota is going to produce far less than the demand. Just like they are doing with the GR Yaris.

Also I’m anticipating the price to be in the low 40s for the “base” and mid 40s for the limited slip model

We'll see. The Yaris had to have been a money loser due to volume, it was a hype car. I suspect the Corolla is an attempt to recoup some of that investment at least in the engine and powertrain, and I wouldn't be surprised if volume came with it. But they may want to keep the hype up with low production, so hard to say at this stage.

I just don't see the point of building an "affordable" sporty car that nobody can buy. It would make more business sense to make fancier cars where the margins are way higher. But again, nothing makes sense anymore so who knows. I'll be curious if I ever hear from my

[max225]

These are never going to be “readily” available. Toyota is going to produce far less than the demand. Just like they are doing with the GR Yaris.

Also I’m anticipating the price to be in the low 40s for the “base” and mid 40s for the limited slip model

We'll see. The Yaris had to have been a money loser due to volume, it was a hype car. I suspect the Corolla is an attempt to recoup some of that investment at least in the engine and powertrain, and I wouldn't be surprised if volume came with it. But they may want to keep the hype up with low production, so hard to say at this stage.

I just don't see the point of building an "affordable" sporty car that nobody can buy. It would make more business sense to make fancier cars where the margins are way higher. But again, nothing makes sense anymore so who knows. I'll be curious if I ever hear from my

Yea we shall see, but we have a very long track record of Toyota underproducing their highest end/performance cars driving scarcity and markups.

TRD Pro everything
GR Yaris
Supra

There is going to be nothing "affordable" about the Corolla. The affordable sports car is the 86 and even that one is "sold out".

these are fucking TOYOTAS not one of unobtanium Bugatti's