I'll pay 35K today.
Jeeponomics 101: Eternal tirekicking for the gutless Jeep
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So did my 2006 Prius.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:07 pm2009 370z which is "too old" now by everyones standards has it STANDARD.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:48 pm
Ever since getting a car with PTS, I really miss it bad when I get in the ZR2.
Having to pull my keys out of my pocket all the time sucks. You get spoiled fast when every other car you've had for the last many years has had it (except the JK). Even my Harley has keyless start..... and Harley is almost always last to the game on innovation.
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But 2019 Jeep Wrangler doesn’t have it, instead it’s packed with all kinds of electric gizmos
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I paid $500 on the JL just so I wouldn't have to press the lock and unlock buttons on the key fob and feel like killing myself every time I drove it.
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Yup. It's been standard on numerous vehicles for the last 10-15 years now. It really shouldn't be considered a premium feature to replace an ignition switch with a button.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:07 pm2009 370z which is "too old" now by everyones standards has it STANDARD.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:48 pm
Ever since getting a car with PTS, I really miss it bad when I get in the ZR2.
Having to pull my keys out of my pocket all the time sucks. You get spoiled fast when every other car you've had for the last many years has had it (except the JK). Even my Harley has keyless start..... and Harley is almost always last to the game on innovation.
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at the Corp headquarters.Huckleberry wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:30 pmYup. It's been standard on numerous vehicles for the last 10-15 years now. It really shouldn't be considered a premium feature to replace an ignition switch with a button.
Make 60k toys that never go off roads that have the same feature set as 35k msrp vehicles within the lineup.
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I HATE push button start without proximity entry. You take the key out to unlock the vehicle...then what do you do with the key? It's a PITA to put it back in your pocket when sitting down, so you stick it in the cup holder? Then you lose a cup holder. Can't stand it.
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If I had to deal with such half-assed-ness I would put the key back in my pocket before getting in the car.Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:46 pm I HATE push button start without proximity entry. You take the key out to unlock the vehicle...then what do you do with the key? It's a PITA to put it back in your pocket when sitting down, so you stick it in the cup holder? Then you lose a cup holder. Can't stand it.
Then I would drive it to a dealership and trade it in on a car that isn't stupid.
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CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:48 pmIf I had to deal with such half-assed-ness I would put the key back in my pocket before getting in the car.Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:46 pm I HATE push button start without proximity entry. You take the key out to unlock the vehicle...then what do you do with the key? It's a PITA to put it back in your pocket when sitting down, so you stick it in the cup holder? Then you lose a cup holder. Can't stand it.
Then I would drive it to a dealership and trade it in on a car that isn't stupid.
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Yea that’s some shit right thereDetroit wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:46 pm I HATE push button start without proximity entry. You take the key out to unlock the vehicle...then what do you do with the key? It's a PITA to put it back in your pocket when sitting down, so you stick it in the cup holder? Then you lose a cup holder. Can't stand it.
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When I was ordering the JL I was pretty surprised and later pissed that I had to pay for proximity entry on a vehicle with keyless start.max225 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:18 pmYea that’s some shit right thereDetroit wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:46 pm I HATE push button start without proximity entry. You take the key out to unlock the vehicle...then what do you do with the key? It's a PITA to put it back in your pocket when sitting down, so you stick it in the cup holder? Then you lose a cup holder. Can't stand it.
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Let me bum $500 off of you when I buy my next so I can live that life.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:43 pmI paid $500 on the JL just so I wouldn't have to press the lock and unlock buttons on the key fob and feel like killing myself every time I drove it.
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And the Jeep key is full retard large. Unnecessarily so. I'd pay the $500 fee just so I didn't have to constantly touch that thing.Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:46 pm I HATE push button start without proximity entry. You take the key out to unlock the vehicle...then what do you do with the key? It's a PITA to put it back in your pocket when sitting down, so you stick it in the cup holder? Then you lose a cup holder. Can't stand it.
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FCA has figured out how to pack it down on the consumer with this Jeep, there is no question about that. On the other hand, they actually built a Jeep that drives ok. So perhaps it is warranted. It all gets down to whether you think 50 grand is an acceptable price to pay for the product on offer. In many ways it seems like something that will still perform as new after 10 years with regular maintenance.....can't say that about a 90K Range Rover. My answer is yes.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:53 pmWhen I was ordering the JL I was pretty surprised and later pissed that I had to pay for proximity entry on a vehicle with keyless start.
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compare a vehicle the queen calls her own to something you drown in the nearest mud pit surrounded by lovely onlookers that are missing a few chromosomes and Quite a few teeth.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:23 amFCA has figured out how to pack it down on the consumer with this Jeep, there is no question about that. On the other hand, they actually built a Jeep that drives ok. So perhaps it is warranted. It all gets down to whether you think 50 grand is an acceptable price to pay for the product on offer. In many ways it seems like something that will still perform as new after 10 years with regular maintenance.....can't say that about a 90K Range Rover. My answer is yes.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:53 pm
When I was ordering the JL I was pretty surprised and later pissed that I had to pay for proximity entry on a vehicle with keyless start.
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Man. The $60K Bimmer I bought is worth $33K. I'm driving the tires off of it but FUCK NEW CARS.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:39 amcompare a vehicle the queen calls her own to something you drown in the nearest mud pit surrounded by lovely onlookers that are missing a few chromosomes and Quite a few teeth.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:23 am
FCA has figured out how to pack it down on the consumer with this Jeep, there is no question about that. On the other hand, they actually built a Jeep that drives ok. So perhaps it is warranted. It all gets down to whether you think 50 grand is an acceptable price to pay for the product on offer. In many ways it seems like something that will still perform as new after 10 years with regular maintenance.....can't say that about a 90K Range Rover. My answer is yes.
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33k is prob on the high side ... but we told you that ... it depends on what you get. If you got her a civic type R at sticker it would be worth 2k more.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:58 amMan. The $60K Bimmer I bought is worth $33K. I'm driving the tires off of it but FUCK NEW CARS.
Also kind of insane that a 340i depreciated an entire wrx which drives just as nice. Or a used 335i at the time which is 98% the same.
Certain vehicles you just can’t buy new without taking a ram up the behind ...
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I fucking knew what I was doing. I'm just reporting the truth.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:04 am33k is prob on the high side ... but we told you that ... it depends on what you get. If you got her a civic type R at sticker it would be worth 2k more.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:58 am
Man. The $60K Bimmer I bought is worth $33K. I'm driving the tires off of it but FUCK NEW CARS.
Also kind of insane that a 340i depreciated an entire wrx which drives just as nice. Or a used 335i at the time which is 98% the same.
Certain vehicles you just can’t buy new ...
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Yes but the next 3 years it’ll drop 15 vs 35. And the the next 3 years after that it’ll drop 7... depreciation has slowed a yuge amountDesertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:06 amI fucking knew what I was doing. I'm just reporting the truth.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:04 am
33k is prob on the high side ... but we told you that ... it depends on what you get. If you got her a civic type R at sticker it would be worth 2k more.
Also kind of insane that a 340i depreciated an entire wrx which drives just as nice. Or a used 335i at the time which is 98% the same.
Certain vehicles you just can’t buy new ...
... so who wants to buy my BMW???CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:48 pmIf I had to deal with such half-assed-ness I would put the key back in my pocket before getting in the car.Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:46 pm I HATE push button start without proximity entry. You take the key out to unlock the vehicle...then what do you do with the key? It's a PITA to put it back in your pocket when sitting down, so you stick it in the cup holder? Then you lose a cup holder. Can't stand it.
Then I would drive it to a dealership and trade it in on a car that isn't stupid.
Yeah, to me, the pricing seems fine. What other vehicle can do what the does? None. ALl of the robustness that goes into them, while unused by most, is one reason they are loved and it costs more to design and build. Also, it's a fucking ox cart, I don't think it's a big issue that the pointless no-key nonsense and headlights are extra options, at its core, that isn't the point of the vehicle. If you want a bunch of tech features for less money, go buy a Hyundai.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:23 amFCA has figured out how to pack it down on the consumer with this Jeep, there is no question about that. On the other hand, they actually built a Jeep that drives ok. So perhaps it is warranted. It all gets down to whether you think 50 grand is an acceptable price to pay for the product on offer. In many ways it seems like something that will still perform as new after 10 years with regular maintenance.....can't say that about a 90K Range Rover. My answer is yes.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:53 pm
When I was ordering the JL I was pretty surprised and later pissed that I had to pay for proximity entry on a vehicle with keyless start.