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max225 wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:17 pm So I built my own :rage: 4

https://www.toyota.com/configurator/#!/ ... s/option33

32,900 MSRP for Adventure... which doesn't come with a decent stereo or anything +$3600 for stereo/leather. ~37,650. :disgust: that's not A LOT but it is a lot for that vehicle.

$1050 "delivery" fee. :wtf: why are they all so high now.
Inflation is a bitch.

Also, "delivery" fee is something where when one company raises, they'll all follow suit because it's lost money. Technically, logistics are a bit more costly right now because of rail car availability challenges.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:18 pm
max225 wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:17 pm So I built my own :rage: 4

https://www.toyota.com/configurator/#!/ ... s/option33

32,900 MSRP for Adventure... which doesn't come with a decent stereo or anything +$3600 for stereo/leather. ~37,650. :disgust: that's not A LOT but it is a lot for that vehicle.

$1050 "delivery" fee. :wtf: why are they all so high now.
Inflation is a bitch.

Also, "delivery" fee is something where when one company raises, they'll all follow suit because it's lost money. Technically, logistics are a bit more costly right now because of rail car availability challenges.
FCA is $1495 now.
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fledonfoot wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:28 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:18 pm
Inflation is a bitch.

Also, "delivery" fee is something where when one company raises, they'll all follow suit because it's lost money. Technically, logistics are a bit more costly right now because of rail car availability challenges.
FCA is $1495 now.
Oh wow.

There actually is some .gov regulation on what you can charge here. OEM finance needs to be able to prove that it's accurately representative of the cost of transport/delivery so companies can get drunk and disorderly, though FCA's is interesting. Must be using some funny math.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:33 pm
fledonfoot wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:28 pm

FCA is $1495 now.
Oh wow.

There actually is some .gov regulation on what you can charge here. OEM finance needs to be able to prove that it's accurately representative of the cost of transport/delivery so companies can get drunk and disorderly, though FCA's is interesting. Must be using some funny math.
“Air freight”
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max225 wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:35 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:33 pm
Oh wow.

There actually is some .gov regulation on what you can charge here. OEM finance needs to be able to prove that it's accurately representative of the cost of transport/delivery so companies can get drunk and disorderly, though FCA's is interesting. Must be using some funny math.
“Air freight”
:lolol:

It'd be more than $1,495 for an entire vehicle.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:33 pm
fledonfoot wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:28 pm

FCA is $1495 now.
Oh wow.

There actually is some .gov regulation on what you can charge here. OEM finance needs to be able to prove that it's accurately representative of the cost of transport/delivery so companies can get drunk and disorderly, though FCA's is interesting. Must be using some funny math.
Engines from Italy?
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max225 wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:17 pm So I built my own :rage: 4

https://www.toyota.com/configurator/#!/ ... s/option33

32,900 MSRP for Adventure... which doesn't come with a decent stereo or anything +$3600 for stereo/leather. ~37,650. :disgust: that's not A LOT but it is a lot for that vehicle.

$1050 "delivery" fee. :wtf: why are they all so high now.
Right. $33k is a stretch for it but might be acceptable if it came with good stereo and such. At $38k... lol... I mean that's 3k more than my STI which has 305 HP, turbo, 4 limited slip differentials, torque vectoring, brembo brakes, etc etc and is close to same size.
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Johnny_P wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:47 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:33 pm
Oh wow.

There actually is some .gov regulation on what you can charge here. OEM finance needs to be able to prove that it's accurately representative of the cost of transport/delivery so companies can get drunk and disorderly, though FCA's is interesting. Must be using some funny math.
Engines from Italy?
hecho en mehico
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max225 wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:50 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:47 pm

Engines from Italy?
hecho en mehico
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:33 pm
fledonfoot wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:28 pm

FCA is $1495 now.
Oh wow.

There actually is some .gov regulation on what you can charge here. OEM finance needs to be able to prove that it's accurately representative of the cost of transport/delivery so companies can get drunk and disorderly, though FCA's is interesting. Must be using some funny math.
Porsche increased their fee by $200 or $250 recently, according to Rennlist.
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CorvetteWaxer wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:12 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:33 pm
Oh wow.

There actually is some .gov regulation on what you can charge here. OEM finance needs to be able to prove that it's accurately representative of the cost of transport/delivery so companies can get drunk and disorderly, though FCA's is interesting. Must be using some funny math.
Porsche increased their fee by $200 or $250 recently, according to Rennlist.
Everyone seems to. Cost of transport is increasing.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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Destination charge on a Ram 1500 is $1695 :mindblown: that's a lot...
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$1195 is what Fraud charges for the ranger... how can there be such a yuge delta... it can't possibly cost FCA 30% more to transport a :jeep:
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:15 pm
CorvetteWaxer wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:12 pm

Porsche increased their fee by $200 or $250 recently, according to Rennlist.
Everyone seems to. Cost of transport is increasing.
But gas is free! :rolleyes:
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:18 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:15 pm
Everyone seems to. Cost of transport is increasing.
But gas is free! :rolleyes:
Trains are run by unions... so... there is part of your issue.
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:18 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:15 pm
Everyone seems to. Cost of transport is increasing.
But gas is free! :rolleyes:
Not fuel, but rail capacity. The network is jammed up, has been for a while.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:24 pm
troyguitar wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:18 pm

But gas is free! :rolleyes:
Not fuel, but rail capacity. The network is jammed up, has been for a while.
most of the railroad i see is empty as fuck #utilization
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Big Brain Bradley wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:59 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:24 pm
Not fuel, but rail capacity. The network is jammed up, has been for a while.
most of the railroad i see is empty as fuck #utilization
How many empty automotive rail cars do you see? I bet it's zero.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:24 pm
troyguitar wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:18 pm

But gas is free! :rolleyes:
Not fuel, but rail capacity. The network is jammed up, has been for a while.
All thanks to the shitty economy... obviously.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:00 pm
Big Brain Bradley wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:59 pm

most of the railroad i see is empty as fuck #utilization
How many empty automotive rail cars do you see? I bet it's zero.
build MOAR
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Big Brain Bradley wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:12 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:00 pm How many empty automotive rail cars do you see? I bet it's zero.
build MOAR
Steel costs too much :doe:

Skip the trains and just use :truk: to haul the cars around...
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Or build rail cars at the car plants instead of ending production? :iono:
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:43 pm Or build rail cars at the car plants instead of ending production? :iono:
They don't need/want more rail cars. Once this crazy econ slows down they are going to be "sitting" on all these assets.



Look at all this waste.
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Jacking prices up and reducing production does seem like the better business option for as long as people keep buying the new higher priced stuff.
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troyguitar wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:04 pm Jacking prices up and reducing production does seem like the better business option for as long as people keep buying the new higher priced stuff.
I am shocked we're still at 17.5Million new cars at 38k average per vehicle. That's a lot of rich people in this country... A LOT.
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