Car Talk 6: Best of times and Worst of Times

[D Griff]

I really respect the C8 and I’m glad they went the Ferrari killer direction. It’s cool. Just needs more and to look good, we’d all be probably lusting after it then.

I agree with Alan, the angular thing is meh. C7 looks better but still worse than C6. C6Z/GS are some of the best looking Corvettes. I’m weird though and also love the 3 and 4 looks.

[max225]

No one can beat lambo at angles …. Sadly usurpers look like knock offs

[Melon2.0]

With the competition seats. HARD agree.

the wants. If a sebring whorange one popped up...

The CT4 seats give the same vibe. I love em.
Yeah, the whorange is the peak C7 color. They never came in as good of a blue as the C5 Electron Blue. Sad!

[ChrisoftheNorth]

the wants. If a sebring whorange one popped up...

The CT4 seats give the same vibe. I love em.
Yeah, the whorange is the peak C7 color. They never came in as good of a blue as the C5 Electron Blue. Sad!

Electron Blue was so epic, tragic it never came back really. The perfect bloooo

[Melon2.0]

I really respect the C8 and I’m glad they went the Ferrari killer direction. It’s cool. Just needs more and to look good, we’d all be probably lusting after it then.

I agree with Alan, the angular thing is meh. C7 looks better but still worse than C6. C6Z/GS are some of the best looking Corvettes. I’m weird though and also love the 3 and 4 looks.

I LOVE the early C3. It's not a great performance machine, but would make a dope cruiser. I'd love one in the same gold that the astronauts received.

[Melon2.0]

The CT4 seats give the same vibe. I love em.
Yeah, the whorange is the peak C7 color. They never came in as good of a blue as the C5 Electron Blue. Sad!

Electron Blue was so epic, tragic it never came back really. The perfect bloooo

The truck is so damn close. The CT4 is a few shades lighter but is epic. I love that Cadillac offered that color. It was fate.

[max225]

The CT4 seats give the same vibe. I love em.
Yeah, the whorange is the peak C7 color. They never came in as good of a blue as the C5 Electron Blue. Sad!

Electron Blue was so epic, tragic it never came back really. The perfect bloooo

It was my C5 color …

[Desertbreh]

The awkward styling, auto only, and the fact it just doesn't sound that great unless Z06?


Speaking of sound, Walmart had OBX header sets for very cheap so I got a catted set.

Lack of is probably the biggest turn off. That and the knock-off Ferrari looks.

Headers are I had Chinese XS Power catted on mine and they fucked. Pipes are pipes.

Slap some nice heads and modest cam in that bitch and blast off into the sunset!

The voice of Sauron

[Desertbreh]

I really respect the C8 and I’m glad they went the Ferrari killer direction. It’s cool. Just needs more and to look good, we’d all be probably lusting after it then.

I agree with Alan, the angular thing is meh. C7 looks better but still worse than C6. C6Z/GS are some of the best looking Corvettes. I’m weird though and also love the 3 and 4 looks.

I LOVE the early C3. It's not a great performance machine, but would make a dope cruiser. I'd love one in the same gold that the astronauts received.

Bro. Domed hood. Tri Carb 427 Solid Lifter Sound. All is right in the Bayou.

[CaleDeRoo]

I LOVE the early C3. It's not a great performance machine, but would make a dope cruiser. I'd love one in the same gold that the astronauts received.

Bro. Domed hood. Tri Carb 427 Solid Lifter Sound. All is right in the Bayou.

My dad had a solid lifter 427 C3. He bored it out, and port matches the cylinder heads/aluminum intake when he worked at a circle track engine shop. That was the scariest car I've driven because it was not built for the 540hp it made on the engine dyno.

[fledonfoot]

We use the ZF 8 in the E3 19+ Cayenne. Service interval book goes up to 12 years/120k and has no required service, drain and fill, or flush.

I’ve replaced one transmission only, car was towed in from an Indy shop that referenced the previous gen car needing fluid at 120k, and promptly fucking it up and using the wrong fluid because their documentation only went to 2018 and didn’t think there was much difference.

This is super helpful from an actual pro such as yourself. That’s kinda my fear… yeah, it’s not that hard. Still, seems an easy job for a shop to fuck up and do more harm than good on something that they say isn’t needed.

What are your thoughts on other maintenance as an owner of the same car? The manual states to basically never change diff/t case fluid if you’re not using the vehicle hard. Very odd to me. I think I’ll just do those in the drive because why not?

Driveline fluids will be done at 5 years just before the end of the power train warranty- she does about 7k a year on this thing, mostly stop and go driving… which to me is “severe use”.

[golftdibrad1]

We use the ZF 8 in the E3 19+ Cayenne. Service interval book goes up to 12 years/120k and has no required service, drain and fill, or flush.

I’ve replaced one transmission only, car was towed in from an Indy shop that referenced the previous gen car needing fluid at 120k, and promptly fucking it up and using the wrong fluid because their documentation only went to 2018 and didn’t think there was much difference.

This is super helpful from an actual pro such as yourself. That’s kinda my fear… yeah, it’s not that hard. Still, seems an easy job for a shop to fuck up and do more harm than good on something that they say isn’t needed.

What are your thoughts on other maintenance as an owner of the same car? The manual states to basically never change diff/t case fluid if you’re not using the vehicle hard. Very odd to me. I think I’ll just do those in the drive because why not?

That is useful info.

To your point about "maybe the zf8 is different" Ive driven that trans in a few different cars, and the fucking thing is amazing, it shifts like a DCT. Its just as good IMHO, maybe even better since its got a torque converter so starts are smooth as silk like a auto. So maybe the converter locks early and puts less shear stress on the fluid, and the clutches grab vs the typical huge slips for smoothness, and that in turn extends the fluid service life.

If you cant even find a dealer to do it, i'd probably just send it. There are millions of automatic transmissions running around on the factory fill with over 100k miles. The overall failure rate is quite low considering that fact.

[Melon2.0]

Bro. Domed hood. Tri Carb 427 Solid Lifter Sound. All is right in the Bayou.

And an endless generation of oil spots.

[Desertbreh]

Bro. Domed hood. Tri Carb 427 Solid Lifter Sound. All is right in the Bayou.

My dad had a solid lifter 427 C3. He bored it out, and port matches the cylinder heads/aluminum intake when he worked at a circle track engine shop. That was the scariest car I've driven because it was not built for the 540hp it made on the engine dyno.

The Metallica makes sense now.

[Desertbreh]

This is super helpful from an actual pro such as yourself. That’s kinda my fear… yeah, it’s not that hard. Still, seems an easy job for a shop to fuck up and do more harm than good on something that they say isn’t needed.

What are your thoughts on other maintenance as an owner of the same car? The manual states to basically never change diff/t case fluid if you’re not using the vehicle hard. Very odd to me. I think I’ll just do those in the drive because why not?

That is useful info.

To your point about "maybe the zf8 is different" Ive driven that trans in a few different cars, and the fucking thing is amazing, it shifts like a DCT. Its just as good IMHO, maybe even better since its got a torque converter so starts are smooth as silk like a auto. So maybe the converter locks early and puts less shear stress on the fluid, and the clutches grab vs the typical huge slips for smoothness, and that in turn extends the fluid service life.

If you cant even find a dealer to do it, i'd probably just send it. There are millions of automatic transmissions running around on the factory fill with over 100k miles. The overall failure rate is quite low considering that fact.

Naw bro.

[Desertbreh]

That is useful info.

To your point about "maybe the zf8 is different" Ive driven that trans in a few different cars, and the fucking thing is amazing, it shifts like a DCT. Its just as good IMHO, maybe even better since its got a torque converter so starts are smooth as silk like a auto. So maybe the converter locks early and puts less shear stress on the fluid, and the clutches grab vs the typical huge slips for smoothness, and that in turn extends the fluid service life.

If you cant even find a dealer to do it, i'd probably just send it. There are millions of automatic transmissions running around on the factory fill with over 100k miles. The overall failure rate is quite low considering that fact.

Naw bro. Just because industry can get away with something and consumers accept it doesn't make it right.

[CaleDeRoo]

My dad had a solid lifter 427 C3. He bored it out, and port matches the cylinder heads/aluminum intake when he worked at a circle track engine shop. That was the scariest car I've driven because it was not built for the 540hp it made on the engine dyno.

The Metallica makes sense now.

If you zoom in you can see the four 12" CV speakers against the wall it also plays on in the garage.

[D Griff]

This is super helpful from an actual pro such as yourself. That’s kinda my fear… yeah, it’s not that hard. Still, seems an easy job for a shop to fuck up and do more harm than good on something that they say isn’t needed.

What are your thoughts on other maintenance as an owner of the same car? The manual states to basically never change diff/t case fluid if you’re not using the vehicle hard. Very odd to me. I think I’ll just do those in the drive because why not?

That is useful info.

To your point about "maybe the zf8 is different" Ive driven that trans in a few different cars, and the fucking thing is amazing, it shifts like a DCT. Its just as good IMHO, maybe even better since its got a torque converter so starts are smooth as silk like a auto. So maybe the converter locks early and puts less shear stress on the fluid, and the clutches grab vs the typical huge slips for smoothness, and that in turn extends the fluid service life.

If you cant even find a dealer to do it, i'd probably just send it. There are millions of automatic transmissions running around on the factory fill with over 100k miles. The overall failure rate is quite low considering that fact.

It is indeed fantastic and it's wild how tuning can make it take on different personalities. Like the Giuilia versus my Jeep with the same powertrain feels quite different.

I'm I'm in on sending it for life, but I think I'll at least push to 75-100K and see where we are.

I think I'll go with brake fluid, diffs, transfer case for now.

[D Griff]

I really respect the C8 and I’m glad they went the Ferrari killer direction. It’s cool. Just needs more and to look good, we’d all be probably lusting after it then.

I agree with Alan, the angular thing is meh. C7 looks better but still worse than C6. C6Z/GS are some of the best looking Corvettes. I’m weird though and also love the 3 and 4 looks.

I LOVE the early C3. It's not a great performance machine, but would make a dope cruiser. I'd love one in the same gold that the astronauts received.

They're dope looking. J Ho had one that he graciously let me drive. Definitely not a 'driver's car' by any means but fantastic cruiser, just looks awesome, sounds good, fairly comfy (although small), enough power to cruise comfortably in the modern era.

Hopefully he'll post some pics, it was a hot car. SImilar color to Cale's dad's.

[fledonfoot]

Naw bro. Just because industry can get away with something and consumers accept it doesn't make it right.

I just checked for shits and giggles - ZF directly call for 8 years/150k KM in the reference portal I have access to.

https://aftermarket.zf.com/app/controll ... 90da53.pdf

One of my techs is an ex-Jeep veteran of 15 years. Jeep show no service interval for the trans - lifetime fill. Porsche don't list it at all either.

[max225]

That is useful info.

To your point about "maybe the zf8 is different" Ive driven that trans in a few different cars, and the fucking thing is amazing, it shifts like a DCT. Its just as good IMHO, maybe even better since its got a torque converter so starts are smooth as silk like a auto. So maybe the converter locks early and puts less shear stress on the fluid, and the clutches grab vs the typical huge slips for smoothness, and that in turn extends the fluid service life.

If you cant even find a dealer to do it, i'd probably just send it. There are millions of automatic transmissions running around on the factory fill with over 100k miles. The overall failure rate is quite low considering that fact.

It is indeed fantastic and it's wild how tuning can make it take on different personalities. Like the Giuilia versus my Jeep with the same powertrain feels quite different.

I'm I'm in on sending it for life, but I think I'll at least push to 75-100K and see where we are.

I think I'll go with brake fluid, diffs, transfer case for now.

You're doing light duty on that trans.. it can handle up to 650-750hp in some applications (Although maybe they will be using stronger internals) that said... If you plan on keeping the Jeep forever... I'd change it between 70-80k miles... if not and I am a maintenance whore here.

[golftdibrad1]

Bros....

[D Griff]

I just checked for shits and giggles - ZF directly call for 8 years/150k KM in the reference portal I have access to.

https://aftermarket.zf.com/app/controll ... 90da53.pdf

One of my techs is an ex-Jeep veteran of 15 years. Jeep show no service interval for the trans - lifetime fill. Porsche don't list it at all either.

We'll hit that mileage probably right around the eight year mark, so if we still have it, I'll

hopefully we will still have it, it's been a great vehicle and certainly more fun to own than other five seat SUV offerings.

[Desertbreh]

I just checked for shits and giggles - ZF directly call for 8 years/150k KM in the reference portal I have access to.

https://aftermarket.zf.com/app/controll ... 90da53.pdf

One of my techs is an ex-Jeep veteran of 15 years. Jeep show no service interval for the trans - lifetime fill. Porsche don't list it at all either.

We'll hit that mileage probably right around the eight year mark, so if we still have it, I'll

hopefully we will still have it, it's been a great vehicle and certainly more fun to own than other five seat SUV offerings.

Bro:

1. 8 year old Jeep=timeless ruggedness and commitment to fun.
2. 8 year old Chevy Traverse=Poverty.

I can't think of another vehicle that ages any better.

Just look at Jho and his vaunted 4.bro pinnacle of brotastic outdoorsiness.

[D Griff]

We'll hit that mileage probably right around the eight year mark, so if we still have it, I'll

hopefully we will still have it, it's been a great vehicle and certainly more fun to own than other five seat SUV offerings.

Bro:

1. 8 year old Jeep=timeless ruggedness and commitment to fun.
2. 8 year old Chevy Traverse=Poverty.

I can't think of another vehicle that ages any better.

Just look at Jho and his vaunted 4.bro pinnacle of brotastic outdoorsiness.

I mean I'll have it until tires of it basically.

Her new job does involve a longer commute though