The C6Z is the pinnacle of Corvette brodom however. Finding mid mile cars with zero mods or at least all good mods is certainly not impossible but.........
This is the tricky thing for me... that blue one you posted, while very nice, is a bit too nice for a car that would see track time and live in a carport. I am not a diaper kind of guy and as such wouldn't want a car that is over the top nice.
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:05 pm
I could steer my STI with the throttle. It would spin if you wanted it to. On throttle it would widen the arc, off throttle it would tuck and start to rotate. Rear end was lively when you were running at the limits of the tires. I imagine the Evo is better due to the active rear diff instead of a torsen and brake based torque vectoring.
So it drives like a fiesta except it oversteers on the throttle
As the only published author in a well-known motorcycle publication in the room...
max225 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:15 am
Call it "covid" but it just shows how much cash everyone is sitting on right now.
But it seems mostly because people can't spend their money the way they used to. I'm really curious to see what happens to the value of these luxury things (sports cars, boats, RVs, etc) once people can travel and go out to social things more.
max225 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:15 am
Call it "covid" but it just shows how much cash everyone is sitting on right now.
But it seems mostly because people can't spend their money the way they used to. I'm really curious to see what happens to the value of these luxury things (sports cars, boats, RVs, etc) once people can travel and go out to social things more.
I don't expect things to change much unless there is some sort of a huge SWITCH that gets flipped and we go back to "normal" which won't happen. We have all made immense changes... like new homes/moves etc that won't be undone overnight.
This is the new normal unless the economy collapses. And if it does... then it is going to be quite a different type of shit show.
I don't see deflation coming up ... anytime soon there is just way too much money in the market.
I think Oil prices are the ones to watch. They have been too low for too long. And now that we have a new set of politicians... prices have jumped 50% already... I am expecting a lot more to happen. We're at $4 here but no one cares anymore because everyone has money... I think we're heading to $6 and ya'll are heading to $4 in the next 2 years.
I think that may cause some deflationary pressure to trucks. But likely not sports cars.
max225 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:34 am
I think Oil prices are the ones to watch. They have been too low for too long. And now that we have a new set of politicians... prices have jumped 50% already... I am expecting a lot more to happen. We're at $4 here but no one cares anymore because everyone has money... I think we're heading to $6 and ya'll are heading to $4 in the next 2 years.
I think that may cause some deflationary pressure to trucks. But likely not sports cars.
You think it’ll take that long for prices to get there? I’m imagining they will be there by the end of summer.
Detroit wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:18 am
But it seems mostly because people can't spend their money the way they used to. I'm really curious to see what happens to the value of these luxury things (sports cars, boats, RVs, etc) once people can travel and go out to social things more.
I don't expect things to change much unless there is some sort of a huge SWITCH that gets flipped and we go back to "normal" which won't happen. We have all made immense changes... like new homes/moves etc that won't be undone overnight.
This is the new normal unless the economy collapses. And if it does... then it is going to be quite a different type of shit show.
I don't see deflation coming up ... anytime soon there is just way too much money in the market.
Moving still doesn't change what people spend money on...biggest ones for many budgets is travel and going out (ours is). We will absolutely start spending more on those items when we can...but agreed the question is WHEN we'll be able to do that. Griff VOLUNTEERED to work a vaccination site to get a vaccine sooner so he can start blowing money on travel again. When he does, this thread is dead. That's really going to impact demand for luxury goods because people are sick of staying home, so why spend money on a car, boat, rv, whatever when you can go do things again?
max225 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:34 am
I think Oil prices are the ones to watch. They have been too low for too long. And now that we have a new set of politicians... prices have jumped 50% already... I am expecting a lot more to happen. We're at $4 here but no one cares anymore because everyone has money... I think we're heading to $6 and ya'll are heading to $4 in the next 2 years.
I think that may cause some deflationary pressure to trucks. But likely not sports cars.
You think it’ll take that long for prices to get there? I’m imagining they will be there by the end of summer.
I am not 100% sure just yet. I think it will be all packaged as this whole "save the planet BS", so you should suck it up and PAY IT or change your way of life. You shouldn't care about gas prices because you're destroying the planet with them. Electric or cuck vehicles FTW.
max225 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:34 am
I think Oil prices are the ones to watch. They have been too low for too long. And now that we have a new set of politicians... prices have jumped 50% already... I am expecting a lot more to happen. We're at $4 here but no one cares anymore because everyone has money... I think we're heading to $6 and ya'll are heading to $4 in the next 2 years.
I think that may cause some deflationary pressure to trucks. But likely not sports cars.
Absolutely, oil is the big one, and tends to be a harbinger for broader economic troubles. Gas prices could get this summer as people feel obligated to use all the shit they spent way too much on, and then when the cost to fill up the boat or RV you're paying $500+/mo for is too high, they'll be dumped.
This has happened before. Remember in 08 when a used Prius sold for more than new and Geo Metros were the hottest vehicle in SoCal?
I don't expect things to change much unless there is some sort of a huge SWITCH that gets flipped and we go back to "normal" which won't happen. We have all made immense changes... like new homes/moves etc that won't be undone overnight.
This is the new normal unless the economy collapses. And if it does... then it is going to be quite a different type of shit show.
I don't see deflation coming up ... anytime soon there is just way too much money in the market.
Moving still doesn't change what people spend money on...biggest ones for many budgets is travel and going out (ours is). We will absolutely start spending more on those items when we can...but agreed the question is WHEN we'll be able to do that. Griff VOLUNTEERED to work a vaccination site to get a vaccine sooner so he can start blowing money on travel again. When he does, this thread is dead. That's really going to impact demand for luxury goods because people are sick of staying home, so why spend money on a car, boat, rv, whatever when you can go do things again?
I think there is going to be a lot of sticker shock when things open up... and spending 5-10k on a trip is going to hurt.
Moving changes everything. It may be a new house note... shit to to spend on the house, a new car to go with the house etc etc etc. It is the single biggest impact, short of changing jobs.
Detroit wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:40 am
Moving still doesn't change what people spend money on...biggest ones for many budgets is travel and going out (ours is). We will absolutely start spending more on those items when we can...but agreed the question is WHEN we'll be able to do that. Griff VOLUNTEERED to work a vaccination site to get a vaccine sooner so he can start blowing money on travel again. When he does, this thread is dead. That's really going to impact demand for luxury goods because people are sick of staying home, so why spend money on a car, boat, rv, whatever when you can go do things again?
I think there is going to be a lot of sticker shock when things open up... and spending 5-10k on a trip is going to hurt.
Moving changes everything. It may be a new house note... shit to to spend on the house, a new car to go with the house etc etc etc. It is the single biggest impact, short of changing jobs.
Yea, 5-10k is indeed going to hurt, so people are going to start offing shit they bought that they don't actually use or want anymore. People are dumb and shockingly short sighted.
The biggest thing will be house debt. The people that bought our last house HAD to have stretched themselves to the max to get it. And I think a lot of people have done the same because ZOMG we're home forever.
Well, what happens when you're not home forever and/or if unemployment starts to creep up? Something has to give, and it's going to be luxury goods.
I think there is going to be a lot of sticker shock when things open up... and spending 5-10k on a trip is going to hurt.
Moving changes everything. It may be a new house note... shit to to spend on the house, a new car to go with the house etc etc etc. It is the single biggest impact, short of changing jobs.
Yea, 5-10k is indeed going to hurt, so people are going to start offing shit they bought that they don't actually use or want anymore. People are dumb and shockingly short sighted.
The biggest thing will be house debt. The people that bought our last house HAD to have stretched themselves to the max to get it. And I think a lot of people have done the same because ZOMG we're home forever.
Well, what happens when you're not home forever and/or if unemployment starts to creep up? Something has to give, and it's going to be luxury goods.
Banks were quite strict... but yea quite a few people bought way too high up on the Totem pole. We went in about 1/3 of our maximum... but we're also ultra conservative. Most people try to get in on the highest possible number and go from there. Thankfully people aren't as stretched now as they have been.
But the rabid price inflation in everything house related is going to stretch people for sure. I don't foresee someone not wanting a home, that is the peak "i have made it" thing above all else. And people value land. that is an undisputed fact. especially now that shitty life is modified and will likely take years to recover. With offices moving to hybrid models etc.