OT 17: WELCOME TO THE CORONADOME!

[Wocka Wocka]

You’ve implied it, repeatedly.


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Sure, we should try to flatten curves and all, and i'm not saying I have the answer to how much shut down vs death is the right number.... HOWEVER i get REAL annoyed by all the preachy bullshit people acting like social distancing is the 100% solution and is perfect if we could ONLY JUST MAKE MOAR PPL DO IT!!11eleven!!. No. thats not how this works. Kindly fuck off and annoy your boomer parents.

More social distancing, in fact, is the solution. In an ideal world, 100% social distancing would remedy our problem in 14 days. Now, I recognize that isn't feasible, but social distancing works and your implication is that those of use that "preach" social distancing are boomer. You can refuse to recognize it, but it is your implication.

I personally, don't have the answer. nor do I care to become an overnight internet expert. all I'm saying is for everyone to admit to themselves this is a half measure, and that it is 100% damaging the economy. both things have a human life loss associated with it... I hope our government is working to minimize the damage...on both fronts.

Another implication that the, moderate at best, steps we've taken are too much.

I'm officially done now. You just want to argue for the sake of arguing.

Recognize your own words, or don't, I don't care.

[wap]

Can we set up a thread for people to bash each other over Covid-19 in? Get that shit out of OT

I suppose we could, but I’m done.


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You should OT more.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Well, for one... People in this country not working generally means that they have no access to healthcare, so it might be better for most of us to work.

Extremely valid point is extremely valid.

Could this actually do something to change the reliance of employer-provided healthcare in this country? It seems like whenever drastic shifts in policy happen, it's due to extraordinary times. Like SSI?

[troyguitar]

Well, for one... People in this country not working generally means that they have no access to healthcare, so it might be better for most of us to work.

Extremely valid point is extremely valid.

It's the only real argument I can come up with in favor of the "let's get back to work" movement, but it's sadly pretty compelling.

[Wocka Wocka]

I suppose we could, but I’m done.


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You should OT more.

I should. I’m just done arguing the facts with the fax. Not with OT.

Although, I’m very behind.


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[goIftdibrad]

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You're a piece of shit. Which is sad, because I know you're actually not. Who hurt you?

So we are resorting to name calling now, i guess that means I win?

Show me.

Sure, we should try to flatten curves and all, and i'm not saying I have the answer to how much shut down vs death is the right number... HOWEVER i get REAL annoyed by all the preachy bullshit people acting like social distancing is the 100% solution and is perfect if we could ONLY JUST MAKE MOAR PPL DO IT!!11eleven!!. No. thats not how this works. Kindly fuck off and annoy your boomer parents.

More social distancing, in fact, is the solution. In an ideal world, 100% social distancing would remedy our problem in 14 days. Now, I recognize that isn't feasible, but social distancing works and your implication is that those of use that "preach" social distancing are boomer. You can refuse to recognize it, but it is your implication.

I personally, don't have the answer. nor do I care to become an overnight internet expert. all I'm saying is for everyone to admit to themselves this is a half measure, and that it is 100% damaging the economy. both things have a human life loss associated with it... I hope our government is working to minimize the damage...on both fronts.

Another implication that the, moderate at best, steps we've taken are too much.

I'm officially done now. You just want to argue for the sake of arguing.

Recognize your own words, or don't, I don't care.

1st post: I never said or implied those things, only that i'm being annoyed by the preaching. We don't live in an ideal world and healthcare workers have to go to work, among other essential service persons.

2nd post: I literally implied nothing and even stated I have no answers am not an expert, and hoping our government is doing the right thing.

As would say, english [hans gruber accent] motherfucker?[/hans gruber accent]

[goIftdibrad]

Extremely valid point is extremely valid.

Could this actually do something to change the reliance of employer-provided healthcare in this country? It seems like whenever drastic shifts in policy happen, it's due to extraordinary times. Like SSI?

That would be a very positive outcome of all this IMHO.

[dubshow]

inb4 climate change graphs show global temps down for the last month of shutdown.

[dubshow]

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You're a piece of shit. Which is sad, because I know you're actually not. Who hurt you?

[goIftdibrad]

Health insurance being tied to your employer seems in retrospect, now that we're dealing with the current quagmire at hand. Losing your job should not put you in a position where you're suddenly without any kind of safety net for healthcare options.

this. It stated as a way to get paid more without 'getting paid' more and now its an embarrassing cluster.

inb4 climate change graphs show global temps down for the last month of shutdown.

I scheduled this debate for May when the nature article is published a few pages back.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Extremely valid point is extremely valid.

I saw a chart the other day and I can't seem to re-discover it. Basically, it was the citizens of every other country vs. America on who has lost healthcare coverage due to COVID-19. Other countries: 0, the USA: 3.5m. The numbers seemed a little too convenient, but it was enough to make me want to look into it further.

What other countries have a healthcare system like the US?

Also the is misguided, if you're being serious. "Obamacare" was designed to get more people insured, which is a good thing. Granted, it's not well executed as it's still expensive, but it provides people with healthcare that's not tied to an employer.

Health insurance being tied to your employer seems in retrospect, now that we're dealing with the current quagmire at hand. Losing your job should not put you in a position where you're suddenly without any kind of safety net for healthcare options.

3.5M people who need to somehow pay a ton of money that many don't have for COBRA or Obamacare or whatever because income eligibility is based on a scenario that doesn't exist anymore. Then they get COVID-19 and possibly put into the hospital. A 7-14 day ICU stay will more than bankrupt most of these people. Who foots the bill? Hospitals who are already beyond taxed can't write-off mass defaults. It might actually force the .gov to make some meaningful changes.

[troyguitar]

It's the only real argument I can come up with in favor of the "let's get back to work" movement, but it's sadly pretty compelling.

Instead it should be an argument for ditching the current system of employer-provided healthcare.

Where's the profit in that?

[dubshow]

Lots of things.

There's so much waste behind utilizing all that office space, anyway. All the commuting, all the parking, all the meetings where nothing gets done.

More people need to WFH if possible.

Repurpose the office space into better things. Indoor grow facilities, indoor bike parks, indoor recreational whatever. Hell, cheap housing.

There is no reason why we need to keep building more buildings. Repurpose what we already have.

Totally!

My office building has tons of natural light and feels like a mall inside. Could actually be a pretty neat place to live and play.

meanwhile,

we have ACTUAL REAL LIFE MALLS. They are already totally uninhabited! WAT DO YOU DO

https://sephlawless.com/inside-creepies ... ned-malls/

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Totally!

My office building has tons of natural light and feels like a mall inside. Could actually be a pretty neat place to live and play.

meanwhile,

we have ACTUAL REAL LIFE MALLS. They are already totally uninhabited! WAT DO YOU DO

https://sephlawless.com/inside-creepies ... ned-malls/

[dubshow]

Extremely valid point is extremely valid.

Health insurance being tied to your employer seems in retrospect, now that we're dealing with the current quagmire at hand. Losing your job should not put you in a position where you're suddenly without any kind of safety net for healthcare options.

Well, it was a carefully organized systematic shift to a insurance+government monopoly into healthcare no longer being easily affordable.

Gotta keep that hamster wheel turning! Healthcare is just another chain to keep you on. Cheap debt it the other. A fast spinning hamster wheel is a happy economy!

[dubshow]

meanwhile,

we have ACTUAL REAL LIFE MALLS. They are already totally uninhabited! WAT DO YOU DO

https://sephlawless.com/inside-creepies ... ned-malls/

#thingswealreadyknew when your entire economy is built on infinite growth + spending

[Wocka Wocka]

You're a piece of shit. Which is sad, because I know you're actually not. Who hurt you?

So we are resorting to name calling now, i guess that means I win?

More social distancing, in fact, is the solution. In an ideal world, 100% social distancing would remedy our problem in 14 days. Now, I recognize that isn't feasible, but social distancing works and your implication is that those of use that "preach" social distancing are boomer. You can refuse to recognize it, but it is your implication.




Another implication that the, moderate at best, steps we've taken are too much.

I'm officially done now. You just want to argue for the sake of arguing.

Recognize your own words, or don't, I don't care.

1st post: I never said or implied those things, only that i'm being annoyed by the preaching. We don't live in an ideal world and healthcare workers have to go to work, among other essential service persons.

2nd post: I literally implied nothing and even stated I have no answers am not an expert, and hoping our government is doing the right thing.

As would say, english [hans gruber accent] motherfucker?[/hans gruber accent]

[dubshow]

I suppose we could, but I’m done.


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You should OT more.

he new here.

[wap]

Here is a chart that shows what early adoption of social distancing can do. Little basket-case Greece immediately clamped down on social distancing after the numbers in Italy first started to rise. Spain, Belgium, Portugal, and of course others did not. This is what government is doing it right looks like.


https://greece.greekreporter.com/2020/0 ... us-deaths/

https://greece.greekreporter.com/2020/0 ... atalities/

More specifically, Greece is 75th in the world, with 161 diagnosed cases for every million people. Greece is in 23rd place among the 27 EU member states. Greece has recorded 68 deaths from the pandemic so far, a figure that puts the country in 33rd place in the world.

When this figure is compared to the population, Greece ranks 38th in the world and 17th in the EU.

That's what flattening the curve by shutting down society early looks like. It works, especially when done early. And there is no Marshall Law. The police are just handing out warnings and fines - over 4 million Euro worth to date.

[Wocka Wocka]

You should OT more.

he new here.

New old stock.

[dubshow]

Here is a chart that shows what early adoption of social distancing can do. Little basket-case Greece immediately clamped down on social distancing after the numbers in Italy first started to rise. Spain, Belgium, Portugal, and of course others did not. This is what government is doing it right looks like.


https://greece.greekreporter.com/2020/0 ... us-deaths/

https://greece.greekreporter.com/2020/0 ... atalities/

More specifically, Greece is 75th in the world, with 161 diagnosed cases for every million people. Greece is in 23rd place among the 27 EU member states. Greece has recorded 68 deaths from the pandemic so far, a figure that puts the country in 33rd place in the world.

When this figure is compared to the population, Greece ranks 38th in the world and 17th in the EU.

That's what flattening the curve by shutting down society early looks like. It works, especially when done early. And there is no Marshall Law. The police are just handing out warnings and fines - over 4 million Euro worth to date.

Greece is also a far cry from an economic power house. Its actually just a slug resting on the EU rock.

[wap]

Extremely valid point is extremely valid.

I saw a chart the other day and I can't seem to re-discover it. Basically, it was the citizens of every other country vs. America on who has lost healthcare coverage due to COVID-19. Other countries: 0, the USA: 3.5m. The numbers seemed a little too convenient, but it was enough to make me want to look into it further.

What other countries have a healthcare system like the US?

Also the is misguided, if you're being serious. "Obamacare" was designed to get more people insured, which is a good thing. Granted, it's not well executed as it's still expensive, but it provides people with healthcare that's not tied to an employer.

Health insurance being tied to your employer seems in retrospect, now that we're dealing with the current quagmire at hand. Losing your job should not put you in a position where you're suddenly without any kind of safety net for healthcare options.

None as far as I know. Every other advanced country on the planet provides universal health care to it's citizens. And it's virtually all cheaper than our system, and usually with better outcomes. We're the only stupid ones that don't.

[Gberg2119]

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Leaving OT like.

[dubshow]

I saw a chart the other day and I can't seem to re-discover it. Basically, it was the citizens of every other country vs. America on who has lost healthcare coverage due to COVID-19. Other countries: 0, the USA: 3.5m. The numbers seemed a little too convenient, but it was enough to make me want to look into it further.

What other countries have a healthcare system like the US?

Also the is misguided, if you're being serious. "Obamacare" was designed to get more people insured, which is a good thing. Granted, it's not well executed as it's still expensive, but it provides people with healthcare that's not tied to an employer.

Health insurance being tied to your employer seems in retrospect, now that we're dealing with the current quagmire at hand. Losing your job should not put you in a position where you're suddenly without any kind of safety net for healthcare options.

None as far as I know. Every other advanced country on the planet provides universal health care to it's citizens. And it's virtually all cheaper than our system, and usually with better outcomes. We're the only stupid ones that don't.

Profit and greed are what got us where we are. Maybe after this mess there will be better retrospective.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

inb4 climate change graphs show global temps down for the last month of shutdown.

Let's see the CO2, CO, NOX and other emissions graphs first.

Guaranteed those levels are down. Temperature wouldn't change that quickly, it takes time for feedback loops to run their course.

It'd be nice if this was the tipping point to reducing emissions, though.

Hard to say...there could end up being a boom in travel and emissions as people get out after being cooped up for so long.