Kamry XSE impressions and further updates

[Gberg2119]

It does seem like a much better character fit, and it was my sole choice until i drove the auto... which was frankly

Autos have just gotten so good...a good one really don't ruin the experience as much as they used to.

But yeah. Autos are good but Mini + = special

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[ChrisoftheNorth]

Autos have just gotten so good...a good one really don't ruin the experience as much as they used to.

But yeah. Autos are good but Mini + = special

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While I agree, the Mini + good auto is too.

[max225]

It does seem like a much better character fit, and it was my sole choice until i drove the auto... which was frankly

Autos have just gotten so good...a good one really don't ruin the experience as much as they used to.

The mini auto seems to be geared super short so it’s like
Brap brap brap in sport mode... it felt like it almost added to the experience. I am not going to make this be the deciding factor for sure. At this point I just want condition/price/maintenance history and color/option combo

[troyguitar]

Autos have just gotten so good...a good one really don't ruin the experience as much as they used to.

The mini auto seems to be geared super short so it’s like
Brap brap brap in sport mode... it felt like it almost added to the experience. I am not going to make this be the deciding factor for sure. At this point I just want condition/price/maintenance history and color/option combo

If the gearing is better on the auto then it's probably worth it. I'm finding that to be the case on a lot of cars recently.

[Apex]

But yeah. Autos are good but Mini + = special

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While I agree, the Mini + good auto is too.

Dat auto in the F56 JCW is just a good fit for the car. You lose nothing going with the auto in that car.

[CaleDeRoo]

Well geared+quick+responsive auto vs. somewhat floppy dick manual?

[Apex]

Damn it, now ya’ll have me looking for a F56 now...

[max225]

The mini auto seems to be geared super short so it’s like
Brap brap brap in sport mode... it felt like it almost added to the experience. I am not going to make this be the deciding factor for sure. At this point I just want condition/price/maintenance history and color/option combo

If the gearing is better on the auto then it's probably worth it. I'm finding that to be the case on a lot of cars recently.

Cooper S, JCW. It literally felt like gears 1-3 only ... looks like I wasn't the other gears felt pretty closely spaced and pointless. 4th is sub 1:1
1st gear: 3.923 vs 3.923 *
2nd gear: 2.136 vs 2.136 *
3rd gear: 1.393 vs 1.276 *
4th gear: 1.088 vs 0.921 *
5th gear: 0.892 vs 0.756 *
6th gear: 0.756 vs 0.628
Final Drive: 3.588 vs 3.824

6 speed auto...
1st Gear 4.46 :1
2nd Gear 2.51 :1
3rd Gear 1.55 :1
4th Gear 1.14 :1
5th Gear 0.85 :1
6th Gear 0.67 :1

[max225]

Well geared+quick+responsive auto vs. somewhat floppy dick manual?

To be honest, the is fine... so is the auto... it's not clear who the "winner" is here.

[max225]

Damn it, now ya’ll have me looking for a F56 now...

This thread has me looking into 2013 JCWs.

For the money... it is nearly impossible to beat....

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Well geared+quick+responsive auto vs. somewhat floppy dick manual?

To be honest, the is fine... so is the auto... it's not clear who the "winner" is here.

They both are IMO

[ChrisoftheNorth]

For the money... it is nearly impossible to beat....

I legitimately miss my MINIs.

I regret not owning a MINI at some point.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I regret not owning a MINI at some point.

Just slap a grille on it. It's got round headlights.

[max225]

For the money... it is nearly impossible to beat....

I legitimately miss my MINIs.

I see the light... especially in the F gen.

You have the reliability... they are sub 30k.... they are unique... like, almost no two are alike.
They are supremely spacious for the size. And the steering is about as good as it's going to get, and with noise makers they are interesting sounding as well as opposed to most other 4 bangers.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I see the light... especially in the F gen.

You have the reliability... they are sub 30k.... they are unique... like, almost no two are alike.
They are supremely spacious for the size. And the steering is about as good as it's going to get, and with noise makers they are interesting sounding as well as opposed to most other 4 bangers.

They're just fun. Period.

I miss cars that are fun. New cars are just so... clinical and devoid of character.

Most are...I'd argue that JL/T has a lot of character and it's a big part of why people buy them...but it's a different sort of character from a MINI.

[max225]

I see the light... especially in the F gen.

You have the reliability... they are sub 30k.... they are unique... like, almost no two are alike.
They are supremely spacious for the size. And the steering is about as good as it's going to get, and with noise makers they are interesting sounding as well as opposed to most other 4 bangers.

They're just fun. Period.

I miss cars that are fun. New cars are just so... clinical and devoid of character.

Every single Mini around me seems to be low pressure and staffed with car dudes.... legit ownershit experience if is your thing.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

They're just fun. Period.

I miss cars that are fun. New cars are just so... clinical and devoid of character.

Every single Mini around me seems to be low pressure and staffed with car dudes.... legit ownershit experience if is your thing.

Wasn't that the goal for MINI ? To be low pressure and cool AF?

It's a shame the model didn't work...unfortunately MINI is the opposite of what people want these days. MORE IS BETTER BIGGER IS BETTER

[max225]

They're just fun. Period.

I miss cars that are fun. New cars are just so... clinical and devoid of character.

Most are...I'd argue that JL/T has a lot of character and it's a big part of why people buy them...but it's a different sort of character from a MINI.

hence the cross shopping on my end... but the JL is double what a mini costs... with similar levels of equipment. And DD wise a Mini just makes a bit more sense in my case... I can totally see it being 90% of the M3 fun, at 40% of the price. Just can't beat that...

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Most are...I'd argue that JL/T has a lot of character and it's a big part of why people buy them...but it's a different sort of character from a MINI.

hence the cross shopping on my end... but the JL is double what a mini costs... with similar levels of equipment. And DD wise a Mini just makes a bit more sense in my case... I can totally see it being 90% of the M3 fun, at 40% of the price. Just can't beat that...

Yea...I'd make the same call if I was in your position. I honestly think the MINI is absolutely perfect, especially with how JCWs have depreciated.

[max225]

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventory ... =248081997

Another black mini this time at a mini dealer... but its triple black... also 3k cheaper than reno (same options + leather though)... granted slightly higher miles... I really don't know why those guys don't come down a bit, I think my 24k offer is spot on.

[CaleDeRoo]

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventory ... =248081997

Another black mini this time at a mini dealer... but its triple black... also 3k cheaper than reno (same options + leather though)... granted slightly higher miles... I really don't know why those guys don't come down a bit, I think my 24k offer is spot on.

In photos the red/black interior looks way cooler, but I feel like I'd get tired of how bright the red is so I don't think this looks bad at all.

[max225]

Every single Mini around me seems to be low pressure and staffed with car dudes.... legit ownershit experience if is your thing.

Wasn't that the goal for MINI ? To be low pressure and cool AF?

It's a shame the model didn't work...unfortunately MINI is the opposite of what people want these days. MORE IS BETTER BIGGER IS BETTER

The builds are super clean/modern and cool... sales staff is good. I was legit :impressed: every time i swung by. BMW must have on CAPEX. Right before sales hit the shit... real shame... finally cars true to their initial concept... and no one wants em... because... 2 door clown car for 25-45k... WHERE DO I PUTZ MY 9 KIDZ 3 DOGS AND MULCH? AND DOES IT TOW and OFFROAD?

[CaleDeRoo]

Wasn't that the goal for MINI ? To be low pressure and cool AF?

It's a shame the model didn't work...unfortunately MINI is the opposite of what people want these days. MORE IS BETTER BIGGER IS BETTER

The builds are super clean/modern and cool... sales staff is good. I was legit :impressed: every time i swung by. BMW must have on CAPEX. Right before sales hit the shit... real shame... finally cars true to their initial concept... and no one wants em... because... 2 door clown car for 25-45k... WHERE DO I PUTZ MY 9 KIDZ 3 DOGS AND MULCH? AND DOES IT TOW and OFFROAD?

You forgot the 20 empty water bottles each with their own cupholder.

[troyguitar]

Wasn't that the goal for MINI ? To be low pressure and cool AF?

It's a shame the model didn't work...unfortunately MINI is the opposite of what people want these days. MORE IS BETTER BIGGER IS BETTER

The builds are super clean/modern and cool... sales staff is good. I was legit :impressed: every time i swung by. BMW must have on CAPEX. Right before sales hit the shit... real shame... finally cars true to their initial concept... and no one wants em... because... 2 door clown car for 25-45k... WHERE DO I PUTZ MY 9 KIDZ 3 DOGS AND MULCH? AND DOES IT TOW and OFFROAD?

Just buy a

[Johnny_P]

Well geared+quick+responsive auto vs. somewhat floppy dick manual?

Yes