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Come on in :mahtroy: and :wap:

the water is fine. :thisisfine:

OT was getting really cluttered.

I'd like to start by sharing a well done article. I also enjoy the tales of people that have lived in true socialist countries. Most cant wait for a time to leave.

https://fee.org/articles/an-open-letter ... g-atlanta/
And tacking on the word “democratic” doesn’t change things. Socialism has never been democratic. Democracies protect the minority against the abuse of the majority. A society, where the individual’s inalienable rights to life, liberty, property, and pursuit of happiness are not protected is not a democracy, but much closer to mob rule.
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Democracy is, by definition, the majority imposing its will upon the minority. It is mob rule.

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Democracy is, by definition, the majority imposing its will upon the minority. It is mob rule.
did you read the article?
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Not yet, obviously... but if they don't even understand democracy I'm not optimistic about the rest of it.

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Not yet, obviously... but if they don't even understand democracy I'm not optimistic about the rest of it.
A large portion of the party group (running for prez 2020) you support indentify as some form of Democratic Socialist.

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im pretty certain Biden is the only "true blue" of old
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At the root of it all, I don't think allowing corporations to become such all-powerful entities is a good thing.

We're at the mercy of big business at this point.
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troyguitar wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:16 pm
Not yet, obviously... but if they don't even understand democracy I'm not optimistic about the rest of it.
A large portion of the party group (running for prez 2020) you support indentify as some form of Democratic Socialist.

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im pretty certain Biden is the only "true blue" of old
Between Trump and Not Trump, the choice is clear. I'd vote for Ayn Rand over Trump.

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Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:29 pm
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A large portion of the party group (running for prez 2020) you support indentify as some form of Democratic Socialist.

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im pretty certain Biden is the only "true blue" of old
Between Trump and Not Trump, the choice is clear. I'd vote for Ayn Rand over Trump.
:wow:

That's a lot of hate
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troyguitar wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:29 pm
Between Trump and Not Trump, the choice is clear. I'd vote for Ayn Rand over Trump.
:wow:

That's a lot of hate
The dude is unacceptable without even getting into policy positions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 2e4766a4bc


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Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:32 pm
dubshow wrote:
:wow:

That's a lot of hate
The dude is unacceptable without even getting into policy positions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 2e4766a4bc
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:04 pm
At the root of it all, I don't think allowing corporations to become such all-powerful entities is a good thing.

We're at the mercy of big business at this point.
So much this.
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:04 pm
At the root of it all, I don't think allowing corporations to become such all-powerful entities is a good thing.

We're at the mercy of big business at this point.
big biz is just one side. We've enabled big biz by sending shills into the .gov ethos.

Remove all incumbent politicians. Remove corp tax loop holes and limit deductions. Get to a realistic, yet globally attractive, tax structure.

Remove the .gov from controlling and empowering business sectors.
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Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:04 pm
At the root of it all, I don't think allowing corporations to become such all-powerful entities is a good thing.

We're at the mercy of big business at this point.
strange double post is strange.
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Zillon wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:04 pm
At the root of it all, I don't think allowing corporations to become such all-powerful entities is a good thing.

We're at the mercy of big business at this point.
big biz is just one side. We've enabled big biz by sending shills into the .gov ethos.

Remove all incumbent politicians. Remove corp tax loop holes and limit deductions. Get to a realistic, yet globally attractive, tax structure.

Remove the .gov from controlling and empowering business sectors.
:yeahok:

Trump will drain the swamp. He's got this.

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troyguitar wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:49 am
dubshow wrote:
big biz is just one side. We've enabled big biz by sending shills into the .gov ethos.

Remove all incumbent politicians. Remove corp tax loop holes and limit deductions. Get to a realistic, yet globally attractive, tax structure.

Remove the .gov from controlling and empowering business sectors.
:yeahok:

Trump will drain the swamp. He's got this.
:wrong:

he just brought his swamp waders to DC. The swamp slime cant even stick to his natural slime.
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Zillon wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:04 pm
At the root of it all, I don't think allowing corporations to become such all-powerful entities is a good thing.

We're at the mercy of big business at this point.
Dat healthcare industrial complex.
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:wap: Where are these mangos?

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wap wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:21 pm
Zillon wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:04 pm
At the root of it all, I don't think allowing corporations to become such all-powerful entities is a good thing.

We're at the mercy of big business at this point.
Dat healthcare industrial complex.
:disgust:
what I dont see is a bunch of health care providers (ie the doctors themselves) clamoring to switch to a unified .gov single payer system.

We've now expanded medicare and basically anyone making less than $40k/yr is on the .gov dole. I'd love to find some middle ground. We obviously have epic shit pots of money literally burned each year by the .gov. We can obviously afford to re-prioritize where that money is spent. The current system is so fucked, Im glad i only have to deal with it once or twice per year. Everyone in the large middle class pays through the noise for very basic (annual) services.

Meanwhile the poors have chronic health issues by a large margin, use the wrong services(ie ER/emergency for non emergency ailments), and dont take any responsibility for their well-being.

Why is some dip shit that is 400lbs and cant walk or give a fuck my fucking problem? They have made themselves disabled. And that type of person is the face of the poors on Medicare.
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Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:45 pm
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Dat healthcare industrial complex.
:disgust:
what I dont see is a bunch of health care providers (ie the doctors themselves) clamoring to switch to a unified .gov single payer system.

We've now expanded medicare and basically anyone making less than $40k/yr is on the .gov dole. I'd love to find some middle ground. We obviously have epic shit pots of money literally burned each year by the .gov. We can obviously afford to re-prioritize where that money is spent. The current system is so fucked, Im glad i only have to deal with it once or twice per year. Everyone in the large middle class pays through the noise for very basic (annual) services.

Meanwhile the poors have chronic health issues by a large margin, use the wrong services(ie ER/emergency for non emergency ailments), and dont take any responsibility for their well-being.

Why is some dip shit that is 400lbs and cant walk or give a fuck my fucking problem? They have made themselves disabled. And that type of person is the face of the poors on Medicare.
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practi ... re-for-all
http://pnhp.org/news/why-doctors-are-wa ... e-for-all/

Also, poors are on Medicaid, not Medicare.
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wap wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:29 pm
dubshow wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:45 pm


what I dont see is a bunch of health care providers (ie the doctors themselves) clamoring to switch to a unified .gov single payer system.

We've now expanded medicare and basically anyone making less than $40k/yr is on the .gov dole. I'd love to find some middle ground. We obviously have epic shit pots of money literally burned each year by the .gov. We can obviously afford to re-prioritize where that money is spent. The current system is so fucked, Im glad i only have to deal with it once or twice per year. Everyone in the large middle class pays through the noise for very basic (annual) services.

Meanwhile the poors have chronic health issues by a large margin, use the wrong services(ie ER/emergency for non emergency ailments), and dont take any responsibility for their well-being.

Why is some dip shit that is 400lbs and cant walk or give a fuck my fucking problem? They have made themselves disabled. And that type of person is the face of the poors on Medicare.
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/practi ... re-for-all
http://pnhp.org/news/why-doctors-are-wa ... e-for-all/

Also, poors are on Medicaid, not Medicare.
whoops, i do often mix those programs up in my head from being very removed.
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Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:48 pm

dubshow wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:40 am
Zillon wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:04 pm
At the root of it all, I don't think allowing corporations to become such all-powerful entities is a good thing.

We're at the mercy of big business at this point.
big biz is just one side. We've enabled big biz by sending shills into the .gov ethos.

Remove all incumbent politicians. Remove corp tax loop holes and limit deductions. Get to a realistic, yet globally attractive, tax structure.

Remove the .gov from controlling and empowering business sectors.
I can appreciates this.

The career politicians getting paid off to do the deeds of big biz is bad news bears.
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Zillon wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:48 pm
dubshow wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:40 am


big biz is just one side. We've enabled big biz by sending shills into the .gov ethos.

Remove all incumbent politicians. Remove corp tax loop holes and limit deductions. Get to a realistic, yet globally attractive, tax structure.

Remove the .gov from controlling and empowering business sectors.
I can appreciates this.

The career politicians getting paid off to do the deeds of big biz is bad news bears.
Yep, for sure. Biggest issue is The people making the rules are the ones benefiting from them, so there's zero incentive to change.
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dubshow wrote:
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Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:49 am
:yeahok:

Trump will drain the swamp. He's got this.
:wrong:

he just brought his swamp waders to DC. The swamp slime cant even stick to his natural slime.
Lots of states are making it against the law to bring waders/etc across state lines without cleaning them first, to prevent transfer of invasive critters/plants. Maybe this is how the dems can finally get him.


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