Obligatory C5 Thread

[CorvetteWaxer]

No, I honestly couldn't give a shit, I don't street race and I have no intentions of going to the track where the Corvette will surely overheat. I'd much rather have the 911 any day of the week as it is a quality vehicle w/o a fucktarded interior.

You're just mad from what I can tell that I can afford the 911. Just stop with your comments about it already, it makes you look trailer park.

man, you're shitting all over a car that you've never seen.

I'm just saying what I know from owning the C5, C6, and two C7's and from initial comments from my friend that was at the show last night and got to sit in the cars and get hands on. He was really not all that impressed and he's a Corvette specialist that makes his very good living off selling these cars.

I'm not saying it's garbage, but everyone was hoping for a bit more on this. From an overall ownership experience it isn't going to sway anyone that owns a non-base 911 or other similar car today. This is the perfect car for this forum though, people that drive 20 year old C5's that want to pick up a used Corvette in 7-8 years. I'm sure Corvette Forum is overloading their servers with fanboys that can barely afford the Corvette and are stretch paying to have their C7 and are wondering who they have to blow to get out of that underwater loan to get a C8.

I think the interior is a step backwards from the C7 and if they kept the same style interior and only focused on the quality of materials and tweaked it, they would have really hit closer to the mark. The console buttons are stupidly ugly and the angle of the dash is crazy. Then we have that steering wheel and ipad that look like it is duct-taped on.

Once again, I think they hit a solid 85% on this makeover. This is the way they always do it though.

[D Griff]

man, you're shitting all over a car that you've never seen.

I'm just saying what I know from owning the C5, C6, and two C7's and from initial comments from my friend that was at the show last night and got to sit in the cars and get hands on. He was really not all that impressed and he's a Corvette specialist that makes his very good living off selling these cars.

I'm not saying it's garbage, but everyone was hoping for a bit more on this. From an overall ownership experience it isn't going to sway anyone that owns a non-base 911 or other similar car today. This is the perfect car for this forum though, people that drive 20 year old C5's that want to pick up a used Corvette in 7-8 years. I'm sure Corvette Forum is overloading their servers with fanboys that can barely afford the Corvette and are stretch paying to have their C7 and are wondering who they have to blow to get out of that underwater loan to get a C8.

I think the interior is a step backwards from the C7 and if they kept the same style interior and only focused on the quality of materials and tweaked it, they would have really hit closer to the mark. The console buttons are stupidly ugly and the angle of the dash is crazy. Then we have that steering wheel and ipad that look like it is duct-taped on.

Once again, I think they hit a solid 85% on this makeover. This is the way they always do it though.

That's fair. I think that will always be the Corvette play though. Amazing performance matching cars that cost twice as much, that has to be at the cost of something... typically it's build quality and interior design.

Corvettes are really the only cars that truly allow you to pick all three of fast, cheap, and reliable.

[CorvetteWaxer]

I'm just saying what I know from owning the C5, C6, and two C7's and from initial comments from my friend that was at the show last night and got to sit in the cars and get hands on. He was really not all that impressed and he's a Corvette specialist that makes his very good living off selling these cars.

I'm not saying it's garbage, but everyone was hoping for a bit more on this. From an overall ownership experience it isn't going to sway anyone that owns a non-base 911 or other similar car today. This is the perfect car for this forum though, people that drive 20 year old C5's that want to pick up a used Corvette in 7-8 years. I'm sure Corvette Forum is overloading their servers with fanboys that can barely afford the Corvette and are stretch paying to have their C7 and are wondering who they have to blow to get out of that underwater loan to get a C8.

I think the interior is a step backwards from the C7 and if they kept the same style interior and only focused on the quality of materials and tweaked it, they would have really hit closer to the mark. The console buttons are stupidly ugly and the angle of the dash is crazy. Then we have that steering wheel and ipad that look like it is duct-taped on.

Once again, I think they hit a solid 85% on this makeover. This is the way they always do it though.

That's fair. I think that will always be the Corvette play though. Amazing performance matching cars that cost twice as much, that has to be at the cost of something... typically it's build quality and interior design.

Corvettes are really the only cars that truly allow you to pick all three of fast, cheap, and reliable.

I agree with you, but was really hoping that they would step it up this time and take full advantage of the market space.

There is no reason the Corvette needs to be cheap.

None.

They have the Camaro with higher trims that overlap with the Corvette pricing. The ZL1-1LE is a better track car than the base z51 C7. Expand the range and make the C8 something special that breaks that stigma of being the fast car for the guy that "kinda made it" and has just a bit more cash to spend than the guy eyeing the Camaros.

Depreciation on all of them is going to suck, so in the used market it won't matter in 2-3 years, but up front they could have really put some pressure on the competition and removed a lot of the stank from the brand name and disrespect it gets.

I really wanted the car to be what was rumored... a higher end Corvette with the C7 front engine car surviving in it's own space, but the Camaro does kind of kill that idea... but to still stick to the low cost/quality model is weird. I bet they would still sell 30K for the model year if it was $90k starting and nicer. There's a lot of money out in the market these days and people are spending it freely.

[D Griff]

That's fair. I think that will always be the Corvette play though. Amazing performance matching cars that cost twice as much, that has to be at the cost of something... typically it's build quality and interior design.

Corvettes are really the only cars that truly allow you to pick all three of fast, cheap, and reliable.

I agree with you, but was really hoping that they would step it up this time and take full advantage of the market space.

There is no reason the Corvette needs to be cheap.

None.

They have the Camaro with higher trims that overlap with the Corvette pricing. The ZL1-1LE is a better track car than the base z51 C7. Expand the range and make the C8 something special that breaks that stigma of being the fast car for the guy that "kinda made it" and has just a bit more cash to spend than the guy eyeing the Camaros.

Depreciation on all of them is going to suck, so in the used market it won't matter in 2-3 years, but up front they could have really put some pressure on the competition and removed a lot of the stank from the brand name and disrespect it gets.

I really wanted the car to be what was rumored... a higher end Corvette with the C7 front engine car surviving in it's own space, but the Camaro does kind of kill that idea... but to still stick to the low cost/quality model is weird. I bet they would still sell 30K for the model year if it was $90k starting and nicer. There's a lot of money out in the market these days and people are spending it freely.

It seems like the Camaro may be going away? WOuld be cool to make the C7 slightly downmarket (starting at like $40K, maybe even with a V6) and up to $70K or so, then slotting this in above, that is if they're offing the Camaro. Then they'd have room for a hot hatch or something for the under $40K crowd.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

GM doesn't care about cars anymore. C8 is the swansong of GM performance vehicles. The lower entry price was dictated more by volume to keep Bowling Green running than anything else.

[max225]

man, you're shitting all over a car that you've never seen.

I'm just saying what I know from owning the C5, C6, and two C7's and from initial comments from my friend that was at the show last night and got to sit in the cars and get hands on. He was really not all that impressed and he's a Corvette specialist that makes his very good living off selling these cars.

I'm not saying it's garbage, but everyone was hoping for a bit more on this. From an overall ownership experience it isn't going to sway anyone that owns a non-base 911 or other similar car today. This is the perfect car for this forum though, people that drive 20 year old C5's that want to pick up a used Corvette in 7-8 years. I'm sure Corvette Forum is overloading their servers with fanboys that can barely afford the Corvette and are stretch paying to have their C7 and are wondering who they have to blow to get out of that underwater loan to get a C8.

I think the interior is a step backwards from the C7 and if they kept the same style interior and only focused on the quality of materials and tweaked it, they would have really hit closer to the mark. The console buttons are stupidly ugly and the angle of the dash is crazy. Then we have that steering wheel and ipad that look like it is duct-taped on.

Once again, I think they hit a solid 85% on this makeover. This is the way they always do it though.

Sounds about right

[max225]

That's fair. I think that will always be the Corvette play though. Amazing performance matching cars that cost twice as much, that has to be at the cost of something... typically it's build quality and interior design.

Corvettes are really the only cars that truly allow you to pick all three of fast, cheap, and reliable.

I agree with you, but was really hoping that they would step it up this time and take full advantage of the market space.

There is no reason the Corvette needs to be cheap.

None.

They have the Camaro with higher trims that overlap with the Corvette pricing. The ZL1-1LE is a better track car than the base z51 C7. Expand the range and make the C8 something special that breaks that stigma of being the fast car for the guy that "kinda made it" and has just a bit more cash to spend than the guy eyeing the Camaros.

Depreciation on all of them is going to suck, so in the used market it won't matter in 2-3 years, but up front they could have really put some pressure on the competition and removed a lot of the stank from the brand name and disrespect it gets.

I really wanted the car to be what was rumored... a higher end Corvette with the C7 front engine car surviving in it's own space, but the Camaro does kind of kill that idea... but to still stick to the low cost/quality model is weird. I bet they would still sell 30K for the model year if it was $90k starting and nicer. There's a lot of money out in the market these days and people are spending it freely.

30k for 90k+ seems pretty rough but doable but they would have to steal quite a few people from other brands, I don’t think Porsche sells 30k 911s and caymans combined all 27 models worth.

Depreciation on corvettes is usually a redeeming feature after The initial drop they hover around 50% or more of msrp for about a decade. Hell the fact that c5s are still 5 figure cars is quite impressive. But that’s more than anything else.

[CorvetteWaxer]

I agree with you, but was really hoping that they would step it up this time and take full advantage of the market space.

There is no reason the Corvette needs to be cheap.

None.

They have the Camaro with higher trims that overlap with the Corvette pricing. The ZL1-1LE is a better track car than the base z51 C7. Expand the range and make the C8 something special that breaks that stigma of being the fast car for the guy that "kinda made it" and has just a bit more cash to spend than the guy eyeing the Camaros.

Depreciation on all of them is going to suck, so in the used market it won't matter in 2-3 years, but up front they could have really put some pressure on the competition and removed a lot of the stank from the brand name and disrespect it gets.

I really wanted the car to be what was rumored... a higher end Corvette with the C7 front engine car surviving in it's own space, but the Camaro does kind of kill that idea... but to still stick to the low cost/quality model is weird. I bet they would still sell 30K for the model year if it was $90k starting and nicer. There's a lot of money out in the market these days and people are spending it freely.

30k for 90k+ seems pretty rough but doable but they would have to steal quite a few people from other brands, I don’t think Porsche sells 30k 911s and caymans combined all 27 models worth.

Depreciation on corvettes is usually a redeeming feature after The initial drop they hover around 50% or more of msrp for about a decade. Hell the fact that c5s are still 5 figure cars is quite impressive. But that’s more than anything else.

Here's the thing though...

Over on Rennlist there are a bunch of posts about the C8. They all say that the numbers are impressive, but they hangup on the GM quality and basically shut down the conversation saying it's too bad the interior sucks and will likely start rattling and falling apart inside 6 months.

They are about that.

If they would have just said "We removed all the cheap plastics that offgas and stink" in the launch event I think a lot of people would have taken note. Right now everyone is assuming it's still more of the same, and according to my friend it still has that cheap plastic around the other materials.

I lived with my C5, C6 and C7's and thought this stuff was normal. My Z51 rattled and the Z06.... OMFG, with the Z07 package it could play you a song on some roads from the rattling and drone from the tires in the rear. 6 months in with the 911 and the only noise it makes that it shouldn't is when I'm getting my fat ass out of the car, the easy exit when it moves the seat back there's a "squeak" from the seat moving against the seatbelt receptacle.

[max225]

30k for 90k+ seems pretty rough but doable but they would have to steal quite a few people from other brands, I don’t think Porsche sells 30k 911s and caymans combined all 27 models worth.

Depreciation on corvettes is usually a redeeming feature after The initial drop they hover around 50% or more of msrp for about a decade. Hell the fact that c5s are still 5 figure cars is quite impressive. But that’s more than anything else.

Here's the thing though...

Over on Rennlist there are a bunch of posts about the C8. They all say that the numbers are impressive, but they hangup on the GM quality and basically shut down the conversation saying it's too bad the interior sucks and will likely start rattling and falling apart inside 6 months.

They are about that.

If they would have just said "We removed all the cheap plastics that offgas and stink" in the launch event I think a lot of people would have taken note. Right now everyone is assuming it's still more of the same, and according to my friend it still has that cheap plastic around the other materials.

I lived with my C5, C6 and C7's and thought this stuff was normal. My Z51 rattled and the Z06.... OMFG, with the Z07 package it could play you a song on some roads from the rattling and drone from the tires in the rear. 6 months in with the 911 and the only noise it makes that it shouldn't is when I'm getting my fat ass out of the car, the easy exit when it moves the seat back there's a "squeak" from the seat moving against the seatbelt receptacle.

I have no doubt the c8 will have shit interior quality compared to a p car. But if this pricing holds true you’re getting Porsche GT performance at base cayman pricing.

And you can’t really go with that. Shit interior be damned. Their price point is winning.

You also get corvette maintenance and reliability which is huge selling point to me. Fuck the $599 oil changes at Porsche... unless GM decides to play the same stupid game...

Yes it will suck somewhat on the inside and it will have orange peel but for something you actually drive and not polish

[Huckleberry]

But if this pricing holds true you’re getting Porsche GT performance at base cayman pricing.

And you can’t really go with that. Shit interior be damned. Their price point is winning.

You also get corvette maintenance and reliability which is huge selling point to me. Fuck the $599 oil changes at Porsche... unless GM decides to play the same stupid game...

Yes it will suck somewhat on the inside and it will have orange peel but for something you actually drive and not polish

Which is the point of the Corvette: punching above its price. You would have to be a fool expecting GM to not make cuts somewhere in order to maintain a specific price point at the advertised performance levels. I'm happy that they decided to not try and move the base Corvette upmarket to make it even less obtainable. If you're fretting over some plastic trim, then you aren't hitting the happy pedal hard enough.

[goIftdibrad]

But if this pricing holds true you’re getting Porsche GT performance at base cayman pricing.

And you can’t really go with that. Shit interior be damned. Their price point is winning.

You also get corvette maintenance and reliability which is huge selling point to me. Fuck the $599 oil changes at Porsche... unless GM decides to play the same stupid game...

Yes it will suck somewhat on the inside and it will have orange peel but for something you actually drive and not polish

Which is the point of the Corvette: punching above its price. You would have to be a fool expecting GM to not make cuts somewhere in order to maintain a specific price point at the advertised performance levels. I'm happy that they decided to not try and move the base Corvette upmarket to make it even less obtainable. If you're fretting over some plastic trim, then you aren't hitting the happy pedal hard enough.

All of from both of you is correct.

[CorvetteWaxer]

Which is the point of the Corvette: punching above its price. You would have to be a fool expecting GM to not make cuts somewhere in order to maintain a specific price point at the advertised performance levels. I'm happy that they decided to not try and move the base Corvette upmarket to make it even less obtainable. If you're fretting over some plastic trim, then you aren't hitting the happy pedal hard enough.

All of from both of you is correct.

Except that most Corvettes sold are not base stripper 1LT/Z models. Most are 2LT/Z's and they are paying up upcharge anyway.

They could have increased the price some and fixed all the motherfucking Impala/Cruze/Camaro interior parts.

I'm not really worried about orange peel, the new paint shop should be way better than what we've seen. I'm more concerned about panel fitment and QA on the line. My Z51 had gaps so big between the rear bumper you could fit a nickel between them in some parts. And this wasn't limited to some number of cars. Either you had a flat connection from the rear quarters to the rear bumper and live with massive gaps, or you closed the gaps, but the panels didn't join flat and the rear bumper would be either sticking out or in about 1/16-1/8" when you look down the body line.

[D Griff]

All of from both of you is correct.

Except that most Corvettes sold are not base stripper 1LT/Z models. Most are 2LT/Z's and they are paying up upcharge anyway.

They could have increased the price some and fixed all the motherfucking Impala/Cruze/Camaro interior parts.

I'm not really worried about orange peel, the new paint shop should be way better than what we've seen. I'm more concerned about panel fitment and QA on the line. My Z51 had gaps so big between the rear bumper you could fit a nickel between them in some parts. And this wasn't limited to some number of cars. Either you had a flat connection from the rear quarters to the rear bumper and live with massive gaps, or you closed the gaps, but the panels didn't join flat and the rear bumper would be either sticking out or in about 1/16-1/8" when you look down the body line.

I guess I really am trailer park because I just can't find it in me to care about panel gap that much. If it looks cool, goes fast, makes race car noises... I'm pretty much in.

[CorvetteWaxer]

Except that most Corvettes sold are not base stripper 1LT/Z models. Most are 2LT/Z's and they are paying up upcharge anyway.

They could have increased the price some and fixed all the motherfucking Impala/Cruze/Camaro interior parts.

I'm not really worried about orange peel, the new paint shop should be way better than what we've seen. I'm more concerned about panel fitment and QA on the line. My Z51 had gaps so big between the rear bumper you could fit a nickel between them in some parts. And this wasn't limited to some number of cars. Either you had a flat connection from the rear quarters to the rear bumper and live with massive gaps, or you closed the gaps, but the panels didn't join flat and the rear bumper would be either sticking out or in about 1/16-1/8" when you look down the body line.

I guess I really am trailer park because I just can't find it in me to care about panel gap that much. If it looks cool, goes fast, makes race car noises... I'm pretty much in.

You also don't spend new car money.

Anyone that is actually planning to lay out MSRP on one most likely cares. Everyone buying one after it's been to the bodyshop twice and has 20k farts in it won't care.

[D Griff]

I guess I really am trailer park because I just can't find it in me to care about panel gap that much. If it looks cool, goes fast, makes race car noises... I'm pretty much in.

You also don't spend new car money.

Anyone that is actually planning to lay out MSRP on one most likely cares. Everyone buying one after it's been to the bodyshop twice and has 20k farts in it won't care.

True. It's all in priorities though, you can get a Cayman for C8 money, sure, and it will be far better build quality. I would buy the C8 every time.

[CorvetteWaxer]

You also don't spend new car money.

Anyone that is actually planning to lay out MSRP on one most likely cares. Everyone buying one after it's been to the bodyshop twice and has 20k farts in it won't care.

True. It's all in priorities though, you can get a Cayman for C8 money, sure, and it will be far better build quality. I would buy the C8 every time.

I used to think like this.

I think this comes down to age and income.

When I was in my 20's I bought new 4th gen Camaros and said "The Corvette is a waste of money, I got my Z28 for $24k and my SS for $27k!". Then I made a little more money (barely) and got my C5 at 32, a mostly loaded 1SB coupe and thought "This car is amazing!" even with the completely ancient interior of the C5, the 4th gen f-body was a POS to me after that. I left the Corvette scene for awhile and at 40 I got my 2011 Grand Sport and said "This thing is incredible!! Who needs anything like bluetooth audio in a stereo in 2011 when most cars had it in 2008? This thing is fast!!"

Same with the two C7's always thinking only about performance.

Now I'm 48 and was actually embarrassed more than a couple times over the last couple years in professional settings where I needed to give someone a ride from work. I really might as well been driving a 2000 Acura integra with a $30k engine as far as these guys were concerned. At one point I gave a ride to a VP of Audi that was visiting from Germany from my office to his hotel and he even said "this car is fast, but it will never be nice. Can't you use your discount to get an RS5 or something? You will enjoy it so much more than just going fast and getting tickets.". He also told me that they would never be concerned about a Corvette as far as the marketing because they are something people outside the US want, until they get one and the speed wears off.

A bit later I realized what he was saying. I traded away 200 hp giving up the Z07, but I got a car that drives so much better and is built to another level and is still fast enough to land me in jail in a hurry.

With cost of materials coming down over time and advancements as well as not having to ship cars overseas, I was hoping the C8 would at least be as sorted as a 991.2 or 991.1 that came out years ago.

Instead, it seems more and more like it's still the car for the guy that regrets that he had to cut off his mullet to get a promotion at work.

[max225]

True. It's all in priorities though, you can get a Cayman for C8 money, sure, and it will be far better build quality. I would buy the C8 every time.

I used to think like this.

I think this comes down to age and income.

When I was in my 20's I bought new 4th gen Camaros and said "The Corvette is a waste of money, I got my Z28 for $24k and my SS for $27k!". Then I made a little more money (barely) and got my C5 at 32, a mostly loaded 1SB coupe and thought "This car is amazing!" even with the completely ancient interior of the C5, the 4th gen f-body was a POS to me after that. I left the Corvette scene for awhile and at 40 I got my 2011 Grand Sport and said "This thing is incredible!! Who needs anything like bluetooth audio in a stereo in 2011 when most cars had it in 2008? This thing is fast!!"

Same with the two C7's always thinking only about performance.

Now I'm 48 and was actually embarrassed more than a couple times over the last couple years in professional settings where I needed to give someone a ride from work. I really might as well been driving a 2000 Acura integra with a $30k engine as far as these guys were concerned. At one point I gave a ride to a VP of Audi that was visiting from Germany from my office to his hotel and he even said "this car is fast, but it will never be nice. Can't you use your discount to get an RS5 or something? You will enjoy it so much more than just going fast and getting tickets.". He also told me that they would never be concerned about a Corvette as far as the marketing because they are something people outside the US want, until they get one and the speed wears off.

A bit later I realized what he was saying. I traded away 200 hp giving up the Z07, but I got a car that drives so much better and is built to another level and is still fast enough to land me in jail in a hurry.

With cost of materials coming down over time and advancements as well as not having to ship cars overseas, I was hoping the C8 would at least be as sorted as a 991.2 or 991.1 that came out years ago.

Instead, it seems more and more like it's still the car for the guy that regrets that he had to cut off his mullet to get a promotion at work.

It in fact come down to age and income, however I think the current C8+As advertised pricing, is actually sort of huge deal. Exclusivity is a non factor in the sub 200k market. Because that's still too "poor" to be special one of a kind type thing. So really it goes down to what a person wants, a great driving balls to the walls car that looks great on the outside, or a great driving quality slow car( in comparison) that has a better interior and badge.

That has always been a corvette play, but they have never made mid engined cars that were worth a damn. Until now... I'd be really curious about a C51 C8 vs 570z vs Harracan ... This is an unprecedented scenario that is great for the consumer.

I got a bunch of shit for pointing out the obvious "stigma" associated with many of the cars we talk about on here, but I was told I was and got a bunch of shit from people here. It goes down to what you really want in a vehicle. A C8 is a huge improvement over any C7. C7/6/5 are all the same shit but different trash stamped body.

A C8 will draw a lot of attention though... perhaps a bit too much... compared to a C7...

[D Griff]

I actually take my car to the track regularly, take it up to the mountains for the sole purpose of driving, etc. It's a shitbox for commuting, sure but it's so much more to me than a way to get to work or a status symbol. Just like what was recently documented by Demuro, that lack of refinement is much of what makes it fun to me.

Commuting wise, my BMW is a decent car. Income does change everything, if I could commute in a 911, you better believe I would. I'd still probably think Corvettes are better track cars, tracking something that costs six figures is insane unless you have a seven figure annual income.

[Melon]

I got my C5 up in the air to prep it for the upcoming trip.

It's leaking oil pretty bad on the engine, and from the trans. Not where the trans meets the diff, but where the tail housing meets the case.

:dissapoint:

[D Griff]

I got my C5 up in the air to prep it for the upcoming trip.

It's leaking oil pretty bad on the engine, and from the trans. Not where the trans meets the diff, but where the tail housing meets the case.

:dissapoint:

[CorvetteWaxer]

I used to think like this.

I think this comes down to age and income.

When I was in my 20's I bought new 4th gen Camaros and said "The Corvette is a waste of money, I got my Z28 for $24k and my SS for $27k!". Then I made a little more money (barely) and got my C5 at 32, a mostly loaded 1SB coupe and thought "This car is amazing!" even with the completely ancient interior of the C5, the 4th gen f-body was a POS to me after that. I left the Corvette scene for awhile and at 40 I got my 2011 Grand Sport and said "This thing is incredible!! Who needs anything like bluetooth audio in a stereo in 2011 when most cars had it in 2008? This thing is fast!!"

Same with the two C7's always thinking only about performance.

Now I'm 48 and was actually embarrassed more than a couple times over the last couple years in professional settings where I needed to give someone a ride from work. I really might as well been driving a 2000 Acura integra with a $30k engine as far as these guys were concerned. At one point I gave a ride to a VP of Audi that was visiting from Germany from my office to his hotel and he even said "this car is fast, but it will never be nice. Can't you use your discount to get an RS5 or something? You will enjoy it so much more than just going fast and getting tickets.". He also told me that they would never be concerned about a Corvette as far as the marketing because they are something people outside the US want, until they get one and the speed wears off.

A bit later I realized what he was saying. I traded away 200 hp giving up the Z07, but I got a car that drives so much better and is built to another level and is still fast enough to land me in jail in a hurry.

With cost of materials coming down over time and advancements as well as not having to ship cars overseas, I was hoping the C8 would at least be as sorted as a 991.2 or 991.1 that came out years ago.

Instead, it seems more and more like it's still the car for the guy that regrets that he had to cut off his mullet to get a promotion at work.

It in fact come down to age and income, however I think the current C8+As advertised pricing, is actually sort of huge deal. Exclusivity is a non factor in the sub 200k market. Because that's still too "poor" to be special one of a kind type thing. So really it goes down to what a person wants, a great driving balls to the walls car that looks great on the outside, or a great driving quality slow car( in comparison) that has a better interior and badge.

That has always been a corvette play, but they have never made mid engined cars that were worth a damn. Until now... I'd be really curious about a C51 C8 vs 570z vs Harracan ... This is an unprecedented scenario that is great for the consumer.

I got a bunch of shit for pointing out the obvious "stigma" associated with many of the cars we talk about on here, but I was told I was and got a bunch of shit from people here. It goes down to what you really want in a vehicle. A C8 is a huge improvement over any C7. C7/6/5 are all the same shit but different trash stamped body.

A C8 will draw a lot of attention though... perhaps a bit too much... compared to a C7...

I'm just at the point that it disgusts me that they don't even try to up the quality game on the inside when they claim to have spent almost $1B on the redesign and tooling.

I mean, for fucks sake the president of GM basically said this is the hot rod for Walmart shoppers with his comments about being cheap.

Now, please remember here that I am more concerned with higher trim cars. I won't buy the base or Z51, but might be into a Z/ZR/Zora trim, but you know what? Loaded up at $120k/$140k/$180k(?) this interior isn't going to cut it for anyone other than the biggest fanboys.

[max225]

I actually take my car to the track regularly, take it up to the mountains for the sole purpose of driving, etc. It's a shitbox for commuting, sure but it's so much more to me than a way to get to work or a status symbol. Just like what was recently documented by Demuro, that lack of refinement is much of what makes it fun to me.

Commuting wise, my BMW is a decent car. Income does change everything, if I could commute in a 911, you better believe I would. I'd still probably think Corvettes are better track cars, tracking something that costs six figures is insane unless you have a seven figure annual income.

Even at a 7 figure income that is nuts...

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I got my C5 up in the air to prep it for the upcoming trip.

It's leaking oil pretty bad on the engine, and from the trans. Not where the trans meets the diff, but where the tail housing meets the case.

:dissapoint:

Engine is likely the front main seal

Trans is very likely the reverse lockout solenoid box. Nobody every talks about it, but that was the issue on mine. Dripped oil at the exact same spot...where the trans case meets the tail housing. Everyone goes and assumes there's some seal between the diff and trans leaking. They are

The box for the solenoid leaks. Remove, clean, new RTV, done.

This is what I found when I took mine apart. Lockout solenoid box is the grungy thing on top:

[CorvetteWaxer]

I got my C5 up in the air to prep it for the upcoming trip.

It's leaking oil pretty bad on the engine, and from the trans. Not where the trans meets the diff, but where the tail housing meets the case.

:dissapoint:

Sucks man. #oldercarstuff

[Melon]

I got my C5 up in the air to prep it for the upcoming trip.

It's leaking oil pretty bad on the engine, and from the trans. Not where the trans meets the diff, but where the tail housing meets the case.

:dissapoint:

Engine is likely the front main seal

Trans is very likely the reverse lockout solenoid box. Nobody every talks about it, but that was the issue on mine. Dripped oil at the exact same spot...where the trans case meets the tail housing. Everyone goes and assumes there's some seal between the diff and trans leaking. They are

The box for the solenoid leaks. Remove, clean, new RTV, done.

This is what I found when I took mine apart. Lockout solenoid box is the grungy thing on top:

So, I replaced that seal.

I've also replaced the front main and rear main.

All are leaking again, it's frustrating.