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Johnny_P wrote:Went to the auto show.

New Sonata looks bangin. Interior is great, minimal gloss black plastic. Super comfy, airy interior, clear info screens. It also looks a whole lot better in person, but the new LED to chrome transition strips do have a notable seam whereas on the pictures it doesn't look like they really do. Loved it. If I were getting a mainstream family sedan type thing it would be a top choice. This might have been my favorite car of the show because of its combo of great interior, killer looks, and cheap entry price.

New Outback is in person. Really super comfortable inside, great seat adjustment for tall drivers, good features abound and easy to see out of. Back seat was spacious enough. Cargo hold was great, a lot better than the Forester, which neither of us really cared too much about.

Small car award goes to the Civic Sport Touring. Felt nice inside. Spacious enough. Easy to see out of. The Type R was those seats and all were perfection. Want. Really want. I didn't look at many small cars this time but the Civic is the one to beat. The Elantra and Forte are close behind, but the Civic does feel more upscale than those. Then again the H/K are cheaper with better features so depends on what you want. I'd go for a 1.5T/CVT Civic.

Lisa can't get into the JLUR. Needed help climbing in. Nah. A Sport is a possibility. She didn't hate the driving position.

The Santa Fe was probably my favorite small CUV. Clean interior, solid switchgear and knobs, comfy, spacious. A runner up was the Honda CRV which feels notably more minivan like, but had a great use of space inside and in the cargo area, and super comfy seats.

New Fraud Escape is a complete fucking fail. It has the curb appeal of a 2-gen-old Chevy Traverse, and seats that have some stupid rump bump at the base that pushes against your ass in a very uncomfortable way. 10 seconds in those seats and I knew it would be a complete turd to own. Literally nobody was looking at these. There were 4 of them and nobody around them.

Chevy wasn't doing any better than Ford really. Lots of vehicles with nobody near them. Nobody cared. It looked like a rental car lot, mediocrity everywhere. The new Corvette was there. It looks OK I guess. I don't really care for it, the Camaro looks better.

New Rav4 felt a lot cheaper inside than the Santa Fe and CRV. It was a little disappointing. Fuel mileage is incredible with the hybrid. So its a good choice but there are some real daily use trade-offs.

The XC40 felt like some cheap also-ran with a bad infotainment system. Bleh. I'd probably take a Santa Fe 2.0T over it. I'd take an RDX over it too, which was really nice to sit in, but that touch pad.... I'd have to try it out because it seems like some gimmicky stupid Lexus type bullshit. Which brings me to....

Lexus GS... that mouse thing... totally unacceptable. It sucked. Flat out. Off the list. All Lexii with it are off the list. Not dealing with that.


So there we go. I think Hyundai / Kia had the best showing. Giving the people what they want.

Tarspin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:22 am

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:55 am

Just like Apple... And they are doing just fine. No one cares about owner 2/3+ unless you CPO. At which point Tesla will be within the Tesla ecosystem. It seems that there were 3rd parties involved here.

the things I value and how far off of mainstream ideals I am. Categorize me with the :poors: I guess.

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:07 pm

Tarspin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:22 am

the things I value and how far off of mainstream ideals I am. Categorize me with the :poors: I guess.

Thank the Virgin Mary and all the Saints? The last page of this thread makes me ill.

Huckleberry wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:33 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:56 am

Gotta be. My car will explode on 87. That 1920s engine management system tho.

One reason why I chose VW over Subie. We're up to almost an $.80 gap between 87 and 93.

MexicanYarisTK wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:15 pm

Huckleberry wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:33 pm

One reason why I chose VW over Subie. We're up to almost an $.80 gap between 87 and 93.

I chose VW over subie for a few reasons. The fuckboi subie salesmen asked me for deposit for a downpayment to a WRX (when the current gen was new) , you have to retune every-time you install an intake, an intercooler, etc.

This whole not letting me test drive it for a car that costs as much as a fairly equipped accord treating their cars like a Ferrari is just

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:10 am

MexicanYarisTK wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:15 pm

I chose VW over subie for a few reasons. The fuckboi subie salesmen asked me for deposit for a downpayment to a WRX (when the current gen was new) , you have to retune every-time you install an intake, an intercooler, etc.

This whole not letting me test drive it for a car that costs as much as a fairly equipped accord treating their cars like a Ferrari is just

Maybe it's different in Philly region but I've never had that treatment from a Subaru dealership. But yeah if that was my experience I'd walk.

Johnny_P wrote:

MexicanYarisTK wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:15 pm I chose VW over subie for a few reasons. The fuckboi subie salesmen asked me for deposit for a downpayment to a WRX (when the current gen was new) , you have to retune every-time you install an intake, an intercooler, etc.

This whole not letting me test drive it for a car that costs as much as a fairly equipped accord treating their cars like a Ferrari is just

Maybe it's different in Philly region but I've never had that treatment from a Subaru dealership. But yeah if that was my experience I'd walk.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:36 am

Johnny_P wrote:
Maybe it's different in Philly region but I've never had that treatment from a Subaru dealership. But yeah if that was my experience I'd walk.

I wasn't allowed to test drive a WRX or STI in the Harrisburg area. 0/7 will not buy a subaru in the future unless something major changes.

MexicanYarisTK wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:19 am

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:10 am

Maybe it's different in Philly region but I've never had that treatment from a Subaru dealership. But yeah if that was my experience I'd walk.

Yeah I only tried couple dealers and they were both like that, I think it stopped around 2017 since I haven't heard anything like that recently, with the exception for sti

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:42 pm Went to the auto show.

New Sonata looks bangin. Interior is great, minimal gloss black plastic. Super comfy, airy interior, clear info screens. It also looks a whole lot better in person, but the new LED to chrome transition strips do have a notable seam whereas on the pictures it doesn't look like they really do. Loved it. If I were getting a mainstream family sedan type thing it would be a top choice. This might have been my favorite car of the show because of its combo of great interior, killer looks, and cheap entry price.

New Outback is in person. Really super comfortable inside, great seat adjustment for tall drivers, good features abound and easy to see out of. Back seat was spacious enough. Cargo hold was great, a lot better than the Forester, which neither of us really cared too much about.

Small car award goes to the Civic Sport Touring. Felt nice inside. Spacious enough. Easy to see out of. The Type R was those seats and all were perfection. Want. Really want. I didn't look at many small cars this time but the Civic is the one to beat. The Elantra and Forte are close behind, but the Civic does feel more upscale than those. Then again the H/K are cheaper with better features so depends on what you want. I'd go for a 1.5T/CVT Civic.

Lisa can't get into the JLUR. Needed help climbing in. Nah. A Sport is a possibility. She didn't hate the driving position.

The Santa Fe was probably my favorite small CUV. Clean interior, solid switchgear and knobs, comfy, spacious. A runner up was the Honda CRV which feels notably more minivan like, but had a great use of space inside and in the cargo area, and super comfy seats.

New Fraud Escape is a complete fucking fail. It has the curb appeal of a 2-gen-old Chevy Traverse, and seats that have some stupid rump bump at the base that pushes against your ass in a very uncomfortable way. 10 seconds in those seats and I knew it would be a complete turd to own. Literally nobody was looking at these. There were 4 of them and nobody around them.

Chevy wasn't doing any better than Ford really. Lots of vehicles with nobody near them. Nobody cared. It looked like a rental car lot, mediocrity everywhere. The new Corvette was there. It looks OK I guess. I don't really care for it, the Camaro looks better.

New Rav4 felt a lot cheaper inside than the Santa Fe and CRV. It was a little disappointing. Fuel mileage is incredible with the hybrid. So its a good choice but there are some real daily use trade-offs.

The XC40 felt like some cheap also-ran with a bad infotainment system. Bleh. I'd probably take a Santa Fe 2.0T over it. I'd take an RDX over it too, which was really nice to sit in, but that touch pad.... I'd have to try it out because it seems like some gimmicky stupid Lexus type bullshit. Which brings me to....

Lexus GS... that mouse thing... totally unacceptable. It sucked. Flat out. Off the list. All Lexii with it are off the list. Not dealing with that.


So there we go. I think Hyundai / Kia had the best showing. Giving the people what they want.

MexicanYarisTK wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:15 pm

Huckleberry wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:33 pm

One reason why I chose VW over Subie. We're up to almost an $.80 gap between 87 and 93.

I chose VW over subie for a few reasons. The fuckboi subie salesmen asked me for deposit for a downpayment to a WRX (when the current gen was new) , you have to retune every-time you install an intake, an intercooler, etc.

This whole not letting me test drive it for a car that costs as much as a fairly equipped accord treating their cars like a Ferrari is just

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:26 am

MexicanYarisTK wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:19 am

Yeah I only tried couple dealers and they were both like that, I think it stopped around 2017 since I haven't heard anything like that recently, with the exception for sti

Yeah. The only stipulation the guy had with the STI was asking me not to take it over 4K RPM because it was still in break in miles. That’s fine. You can still get a good idea how it handles, turns, brakes, responds. But the bro took me on a great test drive route with both the WRX and the STI. Other bro took me on a great route in a BRZ. And in 2009 the guy just threw me the keys to a WRX and said be back eventually so I had fun then.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:36 am

Johnny_P wrote:
Maybe it's different in Philly region but I've never had that treatment from a Subaru dealership. But yeah if that was my experience I'd walk.

I wasn't allowed to test drive a WRX or STI in the Harrisburg area. 0/7 will not buy a subaru in the future unless something major changes.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:08 am https://www.cncexotics.com/details-2020 ... 10436.html

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:08 am https://www.cncexotics.com/details-2020 ... 10436.html

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:42 pm Went to the auto show.

New Sonata looks bangin. Interior is great, minimal gloss black plastic. Super comfy, airy interior, clear info screens. It also looks a whole lot better in person, but the new LED to chrome transition strips do have a notable seam whereas on the pictures it doesn't look like they really do. Loved it. If I were getting a mainstream family sedan type thing it would be a top choice. This might have been my favorite car of the show because of its combo of great interior, killer looks, and cheap entry price.

New Outback is in person. Really super comfortable inside, great seat adjustment for tall drivers, good features abound and easy to see out of. Back seat was spacious enough. Cargo hold was great, a lot better than the Forester, which neither of us really cared too much about.

Small car award goes to the Civic Sport Touring. Felt nice inside. Spacious enough. Easy to see out of. The Type R was those seats and all were perfection. Want. Really want. I didn't look at many small cars this time but the Civic is the one to beat. The Elantra and Forte are close behind, but the Civic does feel more upscale than those. Then again the H/K are cheaper with better features so depends on what you want. I'd go for a 1.5T/CVT Civic.

Lisa can't get into the JLUR. Needed help climbing in. Nah. A Sport is a possibility. She didn't hate the driving position.

The Santa Fe was probably my favorite small CUV. Clean interior, solid switchgear and knobs, comfy, spacious. A runner up was the Honda CRV which feels notably more minivan like, but had a great use of space inside and in the cargo area, and super comfy seats.

New Fraud Escape is a complete fucking fail. It has the curb appeal of a 2-gen-old Chevy Traverse, and seats that have some stupid rump bump at the base that pushes against your ass in a very uncomfortable way. 10 seconds in those seats and I knew it would be a complete turd to own. Literally nobody was looking at these. There were 4 of them and nobody around them.

Chevy wasn't doing any better than Ford really. Lots of vehicles with nobody near them. Nobody cared. It looked like a rental car lot, mediocrity everywhere. The new Corvette was there. It looks OK I guess. I don't really care for it, the Camaro looks better.

New Rav4 felt a lot cheaper inside than the Santa Fe and CRV. It was a little disappointing. Fuel mileage is incredible with the hybrid. So its a good choice but there are some real daily use trade-offs.

The XC40 felt like some cheap also-ran with a bad infotainment system. Bleh. I'd probably take a Santa Fe 2.0T over it. I'd take an RDX over it too, which was really nice to sit in, but that touch pad.... I'd have to try it out because it seems like some gimmicky stupid Lexus type bullshit. Which brings me to....

Lexus GS... that mouse thing... totally unacceptable. It sucked. Flat out. Off the list. All Lexii with it are off the list. Not dealing with that.


So there we go. I think Hyundai / Kia had the best showing. Giving the people what they want.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:08 am https://www.cncexotics.com/details-2020 ... 10436.html

D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:39 am

troyguitar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:08 am https://www.cncexotics.com/details-2020 ... 10436.html

MexicanYarisTK wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:54 am

D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:39 am

and a Camry v6 doe

max225 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:55 am

MexicanYarisTK wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:54 am

and a Camry v6 doe

Camry doesn't come supercharged BRO.