America's Achilles' Heel: the Mississippi River's Old River Control Structure

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Glad this topic got attention. If only the local news cared.

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Detroit wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 9:20 am
4zilch wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 7:27 am

:dat:

Growing up on the Illinois River, most overlook their importance when you don’t see it on a daily basis when it comes to the transportation of goods - particularly when it comes to bulk goods (grain, coal, aggregate, etc). Ports seem a bit more obvious to us - we see the containers on trucks and trains.

I will admit, I am a :derp:
Its cool though. Everyone should learn something daily. :like:

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dubshow wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 10:42 am Glad this topic got attention. If only the local news cared.

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I saw this on the joke Facebook page for our local government. I legit thought it was a joke. Then I heard it on the news on my way to work this morning. I LOL'd in my truck in the parking lot. We're going to turn into the whole "FLORIDA MAN *.*" google search soon.
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Acid666 wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 10:44 am
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https://www.wafb.com/2019/05/15/crawfis ... ish-ditch/
I saw this on the joke Facebook page for our local government. I legit thought it was a joke. Then I heard it on the news on my way to work this morning. I LOL'd in my truck in the parking lot. We're going to turn into the whole "FLORIDA MAN *.*" google search soon.
Just did this search LOL! :like:
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I’m sure we could coerce :thankstrump: into building a wall...
Photoshop some pictures of immigrants innertubing into the River from the "wrong" new direction and send to Fox news. This will be handled before the end of the week.
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Detroit wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 9:20 am
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:dat:

Growing up on the Illinois River, most overlook their importance when you don’t see it on a daily basis when it comes to the transportation of goods - particularly when it comes to bulk goods (grain, coal, aggregate, etc). Ports seem a bit more obvious to us - we see the containers on trucks and trains.
Even when I watched freighter after freighter carrying bulk goods down the Detroit river for years, I didn't connect where they were headed...I assumed east coast somehow, and the Mississippi was the furthest from my mind. Reality is that they likely can and do end up down there depending on what they're carrying. I guess I associated the Mississippi with old tyme paddle boats and Mark Twain shit...not modern day commerce.

I will admit, I am a :derp:
A :neat: road trip to do is the Scenic Mississippi River drive. There are roads that are marked with signs like this:
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I believe it goes from the headwaters of the Mississippi at Lake Itasca in Minnesota all the way down to airboatlandia. It's a 5/7 scenic and cultural drive and along the way you'll pass many lock and damns on the river that were built solely to control the river for commerce, specifically to make sure the river is navigable by barges as many months of the year as possible. These lock and damns are often open for tours and will have cool little museums dedicated to the history of river commerce, wildlife along the river, native American societies that lived along the river, etc. We did this for a couple hundred miles last year and really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of google image shots of Lock and Damn #26 in Alton, IL that we toured.
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We saw several yuuge barges go through the lock in just the couple hours we were there on a Saturday afternoon. It was pretty :mindblown: to see all the bulk goods being transported on the river.
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wap wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 5:29 pm
Detroit wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 9:20 am
Even when I watched freighter after freighter carrying bulk goods down the Detroit river for years, I didn't connect where they were headed...I assumed east coast somehow, and the Mississippi was the furthest from my mind. Reality is that they likely can and do end up down there depending on what they're carrying. I guess I associated the Mississippi with old tyme paddle boats and Mark Twain shit...not modern day commerce.

I will admit, I am a :derp:
A :neat: road trip to do is the Scenic Mississippi River drive. There are roads that are marked with signs like this:
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I believe it goes from the headwaters of the Mississippi at Lake Itasca in Minnesota all the way down to airboatlandia. It's a 5/7 scenic and cultural drive and along the way you'll pass many lock and damns on the river that were built solely to control the river for commerce, specifically to make sure the river is navigable by barges as many months of the year as possible. These lock and damns are often open for tours and will have cool little museums dedicated to the history of river commerce, wildlife along the river, native American societies that lived along the river, etc. We did this for a couple hundred miles last year and really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of google image shots of Lock and Damn #26 in Alton, IL that we toured.
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We saw several yuuge barges go through the lock in just the couple hours we were there on a Saturday afternoon. It was pretty :mindblown: to see all the bulk goods being transported on the river.
Wow, this sounds awesome! 5/7 will check out.
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A :neat: road trip to do is the Scenic Mississippi River drive. There are roads that are marked with signs like this:
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I believe it goes from the headwaters of the Mississippi at Lake Itasca in Minnesota all the way down to airboatlandia. It's a 5/7 scenic and cultural drive and along the way you'll pass many lock and damns on the river that were built solely to control the river for commerce, specifically to make sure the river is navigable by barges as many months of the year as possible. These lock and damns are often open for tours and will have cool little museums dedicated to the history of river commerce, wildlife along the river, native American societies that lived along the river, etc. We did this for a couple hundred miles last year and really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of google image shots of Lock and Damn #26 in Alton, IL that we toured.
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We saw several yuuge barges go through the lock in just the couple hours we were there on a Saturday afternoon. It was pretty :mindblown: to see all the bulk goods being transported on the river.
Wow, this sounds awesome! 5/7 will check out.
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wap wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 5:29 pm
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Even when I watched freighter after freighter carrying bulk goods down the Detroit river for years, I didn't connect where they were headed...I assumed east coast somehow, and the Mississippi was the furthest from my mind. Reality is that they likely can and do end up down there depending on what they're carrying. I guess I associated the Mississippi with old tyme paddle boats and Mark Twain shit...not modern day commerce.

I will admit, I am a :derp:
A :neat: road trip to do is the Scenic Mississippi River drive. There are roads that are marked with signs like this:
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I believe it goes from the headwaters of the Mississippi at Lake Itasca in Minnesota all the way down to airboatlandia. It's a 5/7 scenic and cultural drive and along the way you'll pass many lock and damns on the river that were built solely to control the river for commerce, specifically to make sure the river is navigable by barges as many months of the year as possible. These lock and damns are often open for tours and will have cool little museums dedicated to the history of river commerce, wildlife along the river, native American societies that lived along the river, etc. We did this for a couple hundred miles last year and really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of google image shots of Lock and Damn #26 in Alton, IL that we toured.
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We saw several yuuge barges go through the lock in just the couple hours we were there on a Saturday afternoon. It was pretty :mindblown: to see all the bulk goods being transported on the river.
When we first moved to the blessed lands, money was tight (after the 2008 housing debacle that I ranted about elsewhere). For two years straight we vacationed on the St. Lawrence Seaway in the Thousand Islands Region. Its a huge river separating the USofA and Canuckland. Its beautiful up there. Not a ton to do, but we rented a boat the first year and I liked it so much that we bought a boat for the second year. Anyway, these humongous freighters would periodically lumber their way by, and seeing them from a small boat was uber cool.
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Irish wrote: Mon May 20, 2019 11:35 pm
wap wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 5:29 pm

A :neat: road trip to do is the Scenic Mississippi River drive. There are roads that are marked with signs like this:
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I believe it goes from the headwaters of the Mississippi at Lake Itasca in Minnesota all the way down to airboatlandia. It's a 5/7 scenic and cultural drive and along the way you'll pass many lock and damns on the river that were built solely to control the river for commerce, specifically to make sure the river is navigable by barges as many months of the year as possible. These lock and damns are often open for tours and will have cool little museums dedicated to the history of river commerce, wildlife along the river, native American societies that lived along the river, etc. We did this for a couple hundred miles last year and really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of google image shots of Lock and Damn #26 in Alton, IL that we toured.
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We saw several yuuge barges go through the lock in just the couple hours we were there on a Saturday afternoon. It was pretty :mindblown: to see all the bulk goods being transported on the river.
When we first moved to the blessed lands, money was tight (after the 2008 housing debacle that I ranted about elsewhere). For two years straight we vacationed on the St. Lawrence Seaway in the Thousand Islands Region. Its a huge river separating the USofA and Canuckland. Its beautiful up there. Not a ton to do, but we rented a boat the first year and I liked it so much that we bought a boat for the second year. Anyway, these humongous freighters would periodically lumber their way by, and seeing them from a small boat was uber cool.
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Irish wrote: Mon May 20, 2019 11:35 pm
wap wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 5:29 pm

A :neat: road trip to do is the Scenic Mississippi River drive. There are roads that are marked with signs like this:
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I believe it goes from the headwaters of the Mississippi at Lake Itasca in Minnesota all the way down to airboatlandia. It's a 5/7 scenic and cultural drive and along the way you'll pass many lock and damns on the river that were built solely to control the river for commerce, specifically to make sure the river is navigable by barges as many months of the year as possible. These lock and damns are often open for tours and will have cool little museums dedicated to the history of river commerce, wildlife along the river, native American societies that lived along the river, etc. We did this for a couple hundred miles last year and really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of google image shots of Lock and Damn #26 in Alton, IL that we toured.
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We saw several yuuge barges go through the lock in just the couple hours we were there on a Saturday afternoon. It was pretty :mindblown: to see all the bulk goods being transported on the river.
When we first moved to the blessed lands, money was tight (after the 2008 housing debacle that I ranted about elsewhere). For two years straight we vacationed on the St. Lawrence Seaway in the Thousand Islands Region. Its a huge river separating the USofA and Canuckland. Its beautiful up there. Not a ton to do, but we rented a boat the first year and I liked it so much that we bought a boat for the second year. Anyway, these humongous freighters would periodically lumber their way by, and seeing them from a small boat was uber cool.
The St. Lawrence has a bunch of cool shipwrecks you can dive on too. 5/7 want to do that.
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Irish wrote: Mon May 20, 2019 11:35 pm
wap wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 5:29 pm

A :neat: road trip to do is the Scenic Mississippi River drive. There are roads that are marked with signs like this:
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I believe it goes from the headwaters of the Mississippi at Lake Itasca in Minnesota all the way down to airboatlandia. It's a 5/7 scenic and cultural drive and along the way you'll pass many lock and damns on the river that were built solely to control the river for commerce, specifically to make sure the river is navigable by barges as many months of the year as possible. These lock and damns are often open for tours and will have cool little museums dedicated to the history of river commerce, wildlife along the river, native American societies that lived along the river, etc. We did this for a couple hundred miles last year and really enjoyed it. Here are a couple of google image shots of Lock and Damn #26 in Alton, IL that we toured.
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We saw several yuuge barges go through the lock in just the couple hours we were there on a Saturday afternoon. It was pretty :mindblown: to see all the bulk goods being transported on the river.
When we first moved to the blessed lands, money was tight (after the 2008 housing debacle that I ranted about elsewhere). For two years straight we vacationed on the St. Lawrence Seaway in the Thousand Islands Region. Its a huge river separating the USofA and Canuckland. Its beautiful up there. Not a ton to do, but we rented a boat the first year and I liked it so much that we bought a boat for the second year. Anyway, these humongous freighters would periodically lumber their way by, and seeing them from a small boat was uber cool.
:neat: !
I saw the St. Lawrence river from Quebec city and Montreal and it is definitely a pretty area and it's fascinating to me how those ocean-going cargo ships can get all the way to the middle of the continent via the St Lawrence to the Great Lakes, giving rise to the nickname, "America's Third Coast", as the Great Lakes area is sometimes called.
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Irish wrote: Mon May 20, 2019 11:35 pm

When we first moved to the blessed lands, money was tight (after the 2008 housing debacle that I ranted about elsewhere). For two years straight we vacationed on the St. Lawrence Seaway in the Thousand Islands Region. Its a huge river separating the USofA and Canuckland. Its beautiful up there. Not a ton to do, but we rented a boat the first year and I liked it so much that we bought a boat for the second year. Anyway, these humongous freighters would periodically lumber their way by, and seeing them from a small boat was uber cool.
The St. Lawrence has a bunch of cool shipwrecks you can dive on too. 5/7 want to do that.
Also :neat:
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The St. Lawrence has a bunch of cool shipwrecks you can dive on too. 5/7 want to do that.
Also :neat:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Empress_of_Ireland

One of the more well known wrecks to dive. Where it is located, the currents make it difficult but the depth isn't bad at all at only 130 feet down.
Compared to the Andrea Doria which sits about 250 feet down (also known as the Mt. Everest of wreck dives).
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Irish wrote: Mon May 20, 2019 11:35 pm

When we first moved to the blessed lands, money was tight (after the 2008 housing debacle that I ranted about elsewhere). For two years straight we vacationed on the St. Lawrence Seaway in the Thousand Islands Region. Its a huge river separating the USofA and Canuckland. Its beautiful up there. Not a ton to do, but we rented a boat the first year and I liked it so much that we bought a boat for the second year. Anyway, these humongous freighters would periodically lumber their way by, and seeing them from a small boat was uber cool.
:neat: !
I saw the St. Lawrence river from Quebec city and Montreal and it is definitely a pretty area and it's fascinating to me how those ocean-going cargo ships can get all the way to the middle of the continent via the St Lawrence to the Great Lakes, giving rise to the nickname, "America's Third Coast", as the Great Lakes area is sometimes called.
Yeah, we were on the opposite end of the Islands, near Lake Ontario. The first year with the rental boat I attempted to make it out onto the lake but impending bad weather forced me back. The islands have a lot of history and many are owned by movie and music stars

Prime ministers and presidents, the Kellogg family, the Wrigley family, editor of Scribner's magazine, the head of the Singer Sewing Machine Company, the head of Macy’s Department store in New York City, famous Canadian musicians, internationally-renowned authors and playwrights, NHL players, political celebrities like the Trudeaus, and even poet John McCrae of In Flanders fields fame are all rumoured to have spent time cottaging in the 1,000 Islands.
One thing is certain -- these are storied islands whose history is entwined with the very formation of Canada. There are 1,830 of them at one count -- spread along an 80-kilometre span between Kingston and Brockville -- and they have been home to the rich, the nefarious, the famous and the foolish.

The second year we moored near Boldt Castle for some killer fireworks.

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Also :neat:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Empress_of_Ireland

One of the more well known wrecks to dive. Where it is located, the currents make it difficult but the depth isn't bad at all at only 130 feet down.
Compared to the Andrea Doria which sits about 250 feet down (also known as the Mt. Everest of wreck dives).
Ever read Shadow Divers? I love that book.
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Apex wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 3:56 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Empress_of_Ireland

One of the more well known wrecks to dive. Where it is located, the currents make it difficult but the depth isn't bad at all at only 130 feet down.
Compared to the Andrea Doria which sits about 250 feet down (also known as the Mt. Everest of wreck dives).
Ever read Shadow Divers? I love that book.
Yes, sir! Excellent read. I keep seeing it on the bookshelf and think I need to re-read it.
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Also :neat:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Empress_of_Ireland

One of the more well known wrecks to dive. Where it is located, the currents make it difficult but the depth isn't bad at all at only 130 feet down.
Compared to the Andrea Doria which sits about 250 feet down (also known as the Mt. Everest of wreck dives).
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing. There are tons of wrecks, mostly cargo ships, all over the Great Lakes, too, if you're interested in that sort of thing. They're a big deal in the various Great Lakes museums around the region, the most famous one, probably, being the Edmund Fitzgerald, thanks in part to the song. :lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Edmund_Fitzgerald

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:neat: !
I saw the St. Lawrence river from Quebec city and Montreal and it is definitely a pretty area and it's fascinating to me how those ocean-going cargo ships can get all the way to the middle of the continent via the St Lawrence to the Great Lakes, giving rise to the nickname, "America's Third Coast", as the Great Lakes area is sometimes called.
Yeah, we were on the opposite end of the Islands, near Lake Ontario. The first year with the rental boat I attempted to make it out onto the lake but impending bad weather forced me back. The islands have a lot of history and many are owned by movie and music stars

Prime ministers and presidents, the Kellogg family, the Wrigley family, editor of Scribner's magazine, the head of the Singer Sewing Machine Company, the head of Macy’s Department store in New York City, famous Canadian musicians, internationally-renowned authors and playwrights, NHL players, political celebrities like the Trudeaus, and even poet John McCrae of In Flanders fields fame are all rumoured to have spent time cottaging in the 1,000 Islands.
One thing is certain -- these are storied islands whose history is entwined with the very formation of Canada. There are 1,830 of them at one count -- spread along an 80-kilometre span between Kingston and Brockville -- and they have been home to the rich, the nefarious, the famous and the foolish.

The second year we moored near Boldt Castle for some killer fireworks.

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That looks awesome!
Must do some day...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Empress_of_Ireland

One of the more well known wrecks to dive. Where it is located, the currents make it difficult but the depth isn't bad at all at only 130 feet down.
Compared to the Andrea Doria which sits about 250 feet down (also known as the Mt. Everest of wreck dives).
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing. There are tons of wrecks, mostly cargo ships, all over the Great Lakes, too, if you're interested in that sort of thing. They're a big deal in the various Great Lakes museums around the region, the most famous one, probably, being the Edmund Fitzgerald, thanks in part to the song. :lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Edmund_Fitzgerald

Shipwrecks are fascinating to me. Doesn't hurt that my surname means "sea warrior" so it's only natural that anything maritime calls to me. :lol:
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wap wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 4:41 pm

Fascinating. Thanks for sharing. There are tons of wrecks, mostly cargo ships, all over the Great Lakes, too, if you're interested in that sort of thing. They're a big deal in the various Great Lakes museums around the region, the most famous one, probably, being the Edmund Fitzgerald, thanks in part to the song. :lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Edmund_Fitzgerald

Shipwrecks are fascinating to me. Doesn't hurt that my surname means "sea warrior" so it's only natural that anything maritime calls to me. :lol:
:lol: Cool! In what language?
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Shipwrecks are fascinating to me. Doesn't hurt that my surname means "sea warrior" so it's only natural that anything maritime calls to me. :lol:
:lol: Cool! In what language?
Have to go back to the Gaelic version to get that meaning.
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:lol: Cool! In what language?
Have to go back to the Gaelic version to get that meaning.
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