Car Talk 4: The Richard Hertz Rent-A-Car 500

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That beige one needs chrome wheels.
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Johnny_P wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:32 pm That beige one needs chrome wheels.
It really does. And a white landau roof.

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Beige one needs a custom TOAST plate.
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I dunno. I'd disconnect one or more of the ABS wheel speed sensors and see if that turns off the ESC system. It should. The computer has to rely on wheel speed information to activate the engine torque reduction...

On my work Exploder, push the TC button and it just gives you more leeway before it intervenes. Push and hold for 5 or so seconds and it'll let you roll the damn thing if you so desire.

I find Ford's old advancetrac system pretty retarded. It really does not work all that well.
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Johnny_P wrote:I dunno. I'd disconnect one or more of the ABS wheel speed sensors and see if that turns off the ESC system. It should. The computer has to rely on wheel speed information to activate the engine torque reduction...

On my work Exploder, push the TC button and it just gives you more leeway before it intervenes. Push and hold for 5 or so seconds and it'll let you roll the damn thing if you so desire.

I find Ford's old advancetrac system pretty retarded. It really does not work all that well.
Short term vs long term solutions are not mutually exclusive! I plan to look deeper into the ESC defeat rabbit hole for sure, but a beater mostly FWD car isn't going to be the answer any longer than it needs to be.

Realistically I'll probably just beg people to let me run their cars for beer money or whatever and do nothing to my car for another year or so.
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troyguitar wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:21 pm
Johnny_P wrote:I dunno. I'd disconnect one or more of the ABS wheel speed sensors and see if that turns off the ESC system. It should. The computer has to rely on wheel speed information to activate the engine torque reduction...

On my work Exploder, push the TC button and it just gives you more leeway before it intervenes. Push and hold for 5 or so seconds and it'll let you roll the damn thing if you so desire.

I find Ford's old advancetrac system pretty retarded. It really does not work all that well.
Short term vs long term solutions are not mutually exclusive! I plan to look deeper into the ESC defeat rabbit hole for sure, but a beater mostly FWD car isn't going to be the answer any longer than it needs to be.

Realistically I'll probably just beg people to let me run their cars for beer money or whatever and do nothing to my car for another year or so.
You can run my car for beer money :popcorn: :beer: :drunk: :mahtroy:
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This is inevitable with how computerized vehicles are now days. The threat from malicious hacking is real.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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[user not found] wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:27 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:24 pm
This is inevitable with how computerized vehicles are now days. The threat from malicious hacking is real.
Well, you also have the issue of that car probably being tuned closer to the edge than most cars.
All cars are pretty close to the edge these days. Part of the reason we've seen better performance from similar displacement engines is advanced computer controls allow for getting closer and closer to the edge.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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Detroit wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:30 pm
[user not found] wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:27 pm

Well, you also have the issue of that car probably being tuned closer to the edge than most cars.
All cars are pretty close to the edge these days. Part of the reason we've seen better performance from similar displacement engines is advanced computer controls allow for getting closer and closer to the edge.
Bullshit, apr unlocks all of the real engine potential. Factory is shit
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max225 wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:30 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:30 pm
All cars are pretty close to the edge these days. Part of the reason we've seen better performance from similar displacement engines is advanced computer controls allow for getting closer and closer to the edge.
Bullshit, apr unlocks all of the real engine potential. Factory is shit
Oh, right. Sorry I am a moran.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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max225 wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:30 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:30 pm
All cars are pretty close to the edge these days. Part of the reason we've seen better performance from similar displacement engines is advanced computer controls allow for getting closer and closer to the edge.
Bullshit, apr unlocks all of the real engine potential. Factory is shit
:dat:

Kinda want to tune the 328i Fake Sport :doe:
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max225 wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:30 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:30 pm
All cars are pretty close to the edge these days. Part of the reason we've seen better performance from similar displacement engines is advanced computer controls allow for getting closer and closer to the edge.
Bullshit, apr unlocks all of the real engine potential. Factory is shit
:fuckyeah:

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[user not found] wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:41 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:39 pm
Oh, right. Sorry I am a moran.
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All about that Real Spicy Chili™
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Meh - Manufacturers have been talking about and producing "hack proof" ecms for the better part of a decade. An industrious person with enough time and skillz will figure it out.
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dubshow wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:30 am
[user not found] wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:41 pm

:lolol:

All about that Real Spicy Chili™
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DANGER ZONE BABY

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D Griff wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:02 am
max225 wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:30 pm

Bullshit, apr unlocks all of the real engine potential. Factory is shit
:dat:

Kinda want to tune the 328i Fake Sport :doe:
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Oh that's lovely, probably won't come to the US tho. :sad:

https://www.goodwood.com/grr/road/news/ ... E4WMvOgsWk
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4zilch wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:36 am Oh that's lovely, probably won't come to the US tho. :sad:

https://www.goodwood.com/grr/road/news/ ... E4WMvOgsWk
That's hawt.
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4zilch wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:36 am Oh that's lovely, probably won't come to the US tho. :sad:

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4zilch wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:36 am Oh that's lovely, probably won't come to the US tho. :sad:

https://www.goodwood.com/grr/road/news/ ... E4WMvOgsWk
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Want.
:wap: Where are these mangos?
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I find it kind of ugly compared to a regular hatchback/wagon. That seems way to squished in the back.
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max225 wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:19 pm I find it kind of ugly compared to a regular hatchback/wagon. That seems way to squished in the back.
:word:
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max225 wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:19 pm I find it kind of ugly compared to a regular hatchback/wagon. That seems way to squished in the back.
I agree that it would look better to me if the rear was a bit "unsquashed", but it's still cool and I'm a fan of wagons and would love for a market to develop here for them so we'd see more being imported here.
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wap wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:49 pm
max225 wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:19 pm I find it kind of ugly compared to a regular hatchback/wagon. That seems way to squished in the back.
I agree that it would look better to me if the rear was a bit "unsquashed", but it's still cool and I'm a fan of wagons and would love for a market to develop here for them so we'd see more being imported here.
:dat:

It's not the best looking wagon of all time.

but,

it's a Merc

It's an AMG

It comes in Yellow

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