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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:08 pm
by D Griff
It's like M tax but it's an Italian/FCA bastard step child...
they're
but a
from me.
![:[user not found]:](./images/smilies/[user not found].gif ":[user not found]:")
dumped his because a spark plug had to be replaced...
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:12 pm
by Johnny_P
Kind of a unicorn motor, would probably be expensive to maintain. But the price is really nice for what you get. No MT tho.
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:52 pm
by Gberg2119
D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:08 pm
It's like M tax but it's an Italian/FCA bastard step child...
they're
but a
from me.
:[user not found]: dumped his because a spark plug had to be replaced...
That's right. It took the diller months to get a replacement or something.
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:55 pm
by Gberg2119
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:12 pm
Kind of a unicorn motor, would probably be expensive to maintain. But the price is really nice for what you get. No MT tho.
Sucks there's no MT but I'd assume the motor is the only real question mark here. Albeit a pretty yuge question mark. I think the trans is the same ZF 8 speed that everyone else uses and they're solid.
That V6 isn't in anything else is it? Low production motor from FCA. Probably no bueno.
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:56 pm
by Johnny_P
Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:55 pm
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:12 pm
Kind of a unicorn motor, would probably be expensive to maintain. But the price is really nice for what you get. No MT tho.
Sucks there's no MT but I'd assume the motor is the only real question mark here. Albeit a pretty yuge question mark. I think the trans is the same ZF 8 speed that everyone else uses and they're solid.
That V6 isn't in anything else is it? Low production motor from FCA. Probably no bueno.
It’s a variant of the Ferrari / Maserati F154 motor but with 2 cylinders removed for the Alfa application. So yeah it’s a unicorn. But it’s also essentially a Ferrari motor for cheap. But it’s also that.
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:12 pm
by D Griff
Super
cars but man…
I certainly don’t have the
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Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:21 pm
by Gberg2119
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:56 pm
Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:55 pm
Sucks there's no MT but I'd assume the motor is the only real question mark here. Albeit a pretty yuge question mark. I think the trans is the same ZF 8 speed that everyone else uses and they're solid.
That V6 isn't in anything else is it? Low production motor from FCA. Probably no bueno.
It’s a variant of the Ferrari / Maserati F154 motor but with 2 cylinders removed for the Alfa application. So yeah it’s a unicorn. But it’s also essentially a Ferrari motor for cheap. But it’s also that.
Ferrari motor = $$$$$$$
It would be sweet though. They still look great despite not receiving any updates but it’s a big time risk.
Comparable F80 M3’s are going for roughly $10k more.
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:32 am
by max225
Yea but is it a 8cyl block with the last two simply not being used
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 11:26 am
by Valkyrie
max225 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:32 am
Yea but is it a 8cyl block with the last two simply not being used
That's the JLR one, this is actually 6 cylinders AFAIK. Ferrari actually took the time to cut the unused crap out.
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:20 pm
by Johnny_P
Poverty done right
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Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:51 pm
by max225
Valkyrie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 11:26 am
max225 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:32 am
Yea but is it a 8cyl block with the last two simply not being used
That's the JLR one, this is actually 6 cylinders AFAIK. Ferrari actually took the time to cut the unused crap out.
I think my sarcasm got missed
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 9:46 am
by Gberg2119
I showed
the Guilia just to gauge a reaction and she loves it. So much so that she was googling more pictures of it on her own and looking at some autotrader listings.
It looks like 2020+ is the year to get as they added port injection and a new infotainment that year.
But why does it seem like these cars have been unaffected by covid while everything else is still
? Simply because of Alfa's reputation? Think these have bottomed out or will they keep falling? It really is a hell of a car for the price.
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 9:58 am
by Johnny_P
Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 9:46 am
I showed
the Guilia just to gauge a reaction and she loves it. So much so that she was googling more pictures of it on her own and looking at some autotrader listings.
It looks like 2020+ is the year to get as they added port injection and a new infotainment that year.
But why does it seem like these cars have been unaffected by covid while everything else is still
? Simply because of Alfa's reputation? Think these have bottomed out or will they keep falling? It really is a hell of a car for the price.
Stigmas are hard to shake.
Quattroformaggios likely have very high repair and upkeep costs.
Brand cachet - Benz and BMW have it, this doesn’t.
The owl face, and kidney bruising seats and suspension, isn’t everyone’s cup of tea.
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 9:59 am
by Desertbreh
1. Because he'd had his fun and walked into the deal ZFG as to the reality that he was buying an Italian car.
2. Because a factory replacement spark plug was harder to get that enriched uranium.
3. There were other indicia that the ferris wheel ride was not going to be forever, but I forget them.
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 10:00 am
by Johnny_P
If I decide to buy a car that is remotely “fun” then a 4 cyl Giulia is pretty high on the list. I likely won’t go that route though since I like the laid back soft quiet car life. I’m more interested in a Lexus TBH.
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 5:19 pm
by D Griff
Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 9:46 am
I showed
the Guilia just to gauge a reaction and she loves it. So much so that she was googling more pictures of it on her own and looking at some autotrader listings.
It looks like 2020+ is the year to get as they added port injection and a new infotainment that year.
But why does it seem like these cars have been unaffected by covid while everything else is still
? Simply because of Alfa's reputation? Think these have bottomed out or will they keep falling? It really is a hell of a car for the price.
I agree with everyone's reasoning. Mostly reputation, most people have never even heard of an Alfa Romeo so they're not out looking for them, drives down demand and price. Others think they're unreliable and avoid, also drives down price. They may not be bad, but they may be...
They certainly are great to look at.
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 5:35 pm
by max225
Still think this is the equivalent of buying a 7 series out of warranty. Yes it's a cool car. But prepare the lube/sawdust
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 5:38 pm
by Valkyrie
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 10:00 am
If I decide to buy a car that is remotely “fun” then a 4 cyl Giulia is pretty high on the list. I likely won’t go that route though since I like the laid back soft quiet car life. I’m more interested in a Lexus TBH.
4 cyl Stelvio is the one I'd like to test sometime, or their new small PHEV hatch/"CUV" if it ever gets released.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 12:20 pm
by Gberg2119
C&D had issues with theirs. Another site had no problems. Seems like a mixed bag which is expected.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a2 ... ty-update/
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/8-thin ... ownership/
https://www.giuliaforums.com/threads/ho ... way.49925/
Out of curiosity I looked up tire costs on tire rack and a set of PS4S for the GoRf is $1,291.96. For the Alfa it's $1,467.60. I was expecting a bigger difference. Of course the Alfa will wear through the rears quicker but I don't do a ton of driving. Obviously this applies to an M3 as well.
Oil capacity on the Alfa is only 7 quarts as well. One more than what the GoRf takes. Looks like the filter is $100 though.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 2:02 pm
by Desertbreh
Just get a new M3. Besides lots of vacation, another obvious advantage of being European is the regular addition of Akrapovic exhaust as a factory option.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 3:06 pm
by Gberg2119
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 2:02 pm
Just get a new M3. Besides lots of vacation, another obvious advantage of being European is the regular addition of Akrapovic exhaust as a factory option.
Don't forget about being able to retire.
Why is Akrapovic an option on so many cars over there? It's even available for the GoRf. It was something like $3,000+ to import that exhaust for the R and it's only an axleback.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 3:15 pm
by Desertbreh
Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 3:06 pm
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 2:02 pm
Just get a new M3. Besides lots of vacation, another obvious advantage of being European is the regular addition of Akrapovic exhaust as a factory option.
Don't forget about being able to retire.
Why is Akrapovic an option on so many cars over there? It's even available for the GoRf. It was something like $3,000+ to import that exhaust for the R and it's only an axleback.
Yeah only their motorcycle exhausts are remotely affordable. They seem to look and sound the part though.......if you have "the car" you are never going to
then YOLO.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 3:30 pm
by max225
Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 3:06 pm
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 2:02 pm
Just get a new M3. Besides lots of vacation, another obvious advantage of being European is the regular addition of Akrapovic exhaust as a factory option.
Don't forget about being able to retire.
Why is Akrapovic an option on so many cars over there? It's even available for the GoRf. It was something like $3,000+ to import that exhaust for the R and it's only an axleback.
Because that brand carries a lot of "cache"
and cucks were willing to pay for it.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 3:35 pm
by Gberg2119
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 3:15 pm
Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 3:06 pm
Don't forget about being able to retire.
Why is Akrapovic an option on so many cars over there? It's even available for the GoRf. It was something like $3,000+ to import that exhaust for the R and it's only an axleback.
Yeah only their motorcycle exhausts are remotely affordable. They seem to look and sound the part though.......if you have "the car" you are never going to
then YOLO.
I don't think I could ever spend that kind of money on an exhaust. They're nearly $10k.
But that is one small complaint I have with the M2/3/4. The yuuuge stock rear muffler looks like it's dragging ass.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 8:03 pm
by D Griff
I would personally go for an F80 M3 I think… it’s a known thing and pretty reliable. You can get a manual. They look great and it’s a great chassis. A couple years older and I think they can be had in the high 40s range you’re looking at. If you don’t track and do things like plugs and oil DIY, maintenance should be OKish.
for what you get but I assume they're maintenance pigs. Obviously b ender dumped his but I don't remember the reasoning.
