Wait. The city restricts garages to 750 square feet?Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:18 amIt's not going to be the gargemahal that I hoped due to city restrictions. 750sqft max, 15' high max (as measured half way up rafters). Likely going to do a 2.5 car with the .5 for a small work area, and ceiling tall enough for possible stacker lifts in the future. Loft over work area for storage. Footprint large enough to fit in.
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Yes. Which is complete because there's plenty of garages around that are way bigger than that...including my next door neighbor's that's 1,200 (that's what he told me at least).Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:10 amWait. The city restricts garages to 750 square feet?Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:18 am
It's not going to be the gargemahal that I hoped due to city restrictions. 750sqft max, 15' high max (as measured half way up rafters). Likely going to do a 2.5 car with the .5 for a small work area, and ceiling tall enough for possible stacker lifts in the future. Loft over work area for storage. Footprint large enough to fit in.
It was added to the zoning ordinance a few years ago for some reason. Super but I think I can deal.
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That’s communistDetroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:12 amYes. Which is complete because there's plenty of garages around that are way bigger than that...including my next door neighbor's that's 1,200 (that's what he told me at least).
It was added to the zoning ordinance a few years ago for some reason. Super but I think I can deal.
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Agreed, but whatever.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:13 amThat’s communistDetroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:12 am
Yes. Which is complete because there's plenty of garages around that are way bigger than that...including my next door neighbor's that's 1,200 (that's what he told me at least).
It was added to the zoning ordinance a few years ago for some reason. Super but I think I can deal.
Michigan blows, but I'm stuck here for at least another few years, so I'll make the best of it while I'm here. At least we love our house, the neighborhood, and the location.
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Oh.Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:18 amIt's not going to be the gargemahal that I hoped due to city restrictions. 750sqft max, 15' high max (as measured half way up rafters). Likely going to do a 2.5 car with the .5 for a small work area, and ceiling tall enough for possible stacker lifts in the future. Loft over work area for storage. Footprint large enough to fit in.
Still, sounds pretty overall,
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It'll be fine. I'll make the best of it.wap wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:31 amOh.Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:18 am
It's not going to be the gargemahal that I hoped due to city restrictions. 750sqft max, 15' high max (as measured half way up rafters). Likely going to do a 2.5 car with the .5 for a small work area, and ceiling tall enough for possible stacker lifts in the future. Loft over work area for storage. Footprint large enough to fit in.
Still, sounds pretty overall,
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Oh for sure. Great idea to heavily plan ahead.
Also, given any thought to any sort of HVAC system? Even a rudimentary heater like this works great:
https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools ... gKiX_D_BwE
We have something similar - different brand but the same 30k btu's and it has no problem keeping our (admittedly smaller) garage pleasantly warm on even the coldest days. Best to think of this now so you can plan to run a gas line during the overall construction. Also, a simple wall mounted AC for a few hundo would be as well, since you'll already have 220 service in the structure.
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Certainly going to have a gas line run when we trench for electrical. Will probably wait to install the heater until after the garage is insulatedwap wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:47 amOh for sure. Great idea to heavily plan ahead.
Also, given any thought to any sort of HVAC system? Even a rudimentary heater like this works great:
https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools ... gKiX_D_BwE
We have something similar - different brand but the same 30k btu's and it has no problem keeping our (admittedly smaller) garage pleasantly warm on even the coldest days. Best to think of this now so you can plan to run a gas line during the overall construction. Also, a simple wall mounted AC for a few hundo would be as well, since you'll already have 220 service in the structure.
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Logical. Just make sure the gas line is run all the way to the shut off valve at the location you will eventually mount the heater, along with electric for the fan. The gas line will need to pass a leak test inspection so may as well get it to pass now before walls are closed up.Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:49 amCertainly going to have a gas line run when we trench for electrical. Will probably wait to install the heater until after the garage is insulatedwap wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:47 am
Oh for sure. Great idea to heavily plan ahead.
Also, given any thought to any sort of HVAC system? Even a rudimentary heater like this works great:
https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools ... gKiX_D_BwE
We have something similar - different brand but the same 30k btu's and it has no problem keeping our (admittedly smaller) garage pleasantly warm on even the coldest days. Best to think of this now so you can plan to run a gas line during the overall construction. Also, a simple wall mounted AC for a few hundo would be as well, since you'll already have 220 service in the structure.
Mounting it seems pretty straightforward as far as the gas and electrical lines, along with a thermostat. I can take pics of my setup when the time comes to mount yours, if you want.
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I imagine that when running the gas line, for it to pass code it'll need to go through the leak tests and everything...even if there's no gas being run to it. But good idea to make sure.wap wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:56 amLogical. Just make sure the gas line is run all the way to the shut off valve at the location you will eventually mount the heater, along with electric for the fan. The gas line will need to pass a leak test inspection so may as well get it to pass now before walls are closed up.
Mounting it seems pretty straightforward as far as the gas and electrical lines, along with a thermostat. I can take pics of my setup when the time comes to mount yours, if you want.
Those heaters do seem pretty intuitive, but I'll let you know when it comes time and would appreciate some quick photos for sure.
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Correct. Just pull a plumbing permit when you get your other permits and get it taken care of now.Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:00 amI imagine that when running the gas line, for it to pass code it'll need to go through the leak tests and everything...even if there's no gas being run to it. But good idea to make sure.wap wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:56 am
Logical. Just make sure the gas line is run all the way to the shut off valve at the location you will eventually mount the heater, along with electric for the fan. The gas line will need to pass a leak test inspection so may as well get it to pass now before walls are closed up.
Mounting it seems pretty straightforward as far as the gas and electrical lines, along with a thermostat. I can take pics of my setup when the time comes to mount yours, if you want.
Those heaters do seem pretty intuitive, but I'll let you know when it comes time and would appreciate some quick photos for sure.
So problem. Just let me know when you're ready for pics.
Forgot to mention the required exhaust venting, but that doesn't seem any more difficult than venting a gas dryer so should also be NBD.
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Yea, venting should be NBD when installing. Not sure I need to really plan much for that when building.wap wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:02 amCorrect. Just pull a plumbing permit when you get your other permits and get it taken care of now.Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:00 am
I imagine that when running the gas line, for it to pass code it'll need to go through the leak tests and everything...even if there's no gas being run to it. But good idea to make sure.
Those heaters do seem pretty intuitive, but I'll let you know when it comes time and would appreciate some quick photos for sure.
So problem. Just let me know when you're ready for pics.
Forgot to mention the required exhaust venting, but that doesn't seem any more difficult than venting a gas dryer so should also be NBD.
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This occurred to me. I talked to my dad about it, and he mentioned that he debated it himself, but the cost of plumbing, adding a boiler, and the recirc pump was way more than the ceiling radiant heat he chose.
Will be worth looking into
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It's really a great idea. I think I'd hard wire speakers in or something.
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Nah, probably not. Just the gas and electric feeds need to be planned in advance.Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:06 amYea, venting should be NBD when installing. Not sure I need to really plan much for that when building.wap wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:02 am
Correct. Just pull a plumbing permit when you get your other permits and get it taken care of now.
So problem. Just let me know when you're ready for pics.
Forgot to mention the required exhaust venting, but that doesn't seem any more difficult than venting a gas dryer so should also be NBD.
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Big Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:08 amif thats something you want you defintly need to plan from start
RE; space, 750 is not a three car, and will be odd and have no room for anthing but cars if thats the route you go.
750 with a 2 car/ lift is a proper shop to work on things....even when the other car is parked in there. Mine is 650 and is a little tight but i still work on the cars in the garage itself alot.
A "standard" 2 car garage is 24'x24'. If you want to keep that width per bay, you can go 20'10" deep by 36' wide, or pick any combination to keep under the 750 square foot limit. Our two car is all of 17' x 18' and it fits our admittedly smaller vehicles just fine, including space in front of the STi/GTI for mower and other lawn crap. If we move forward with a garage build I'm not going deeper than 20' or 21', I don't want to take up the entire back yard. The lot is 40' wide, so assuming we can get a typically-approved variance to build along the property line just as the existing garage is, I'd do something like 21'x35', so there's enough room between my garage and the neighbor's, also on the property line, to walk through back to the alley. If we ever need a larger vehicle we'd probably replace the RDX with an MDX, which is barely over 16'. Nearly 5' of space in front of the car would be HUGE compared to what we're used to.
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so you would need 864 to make a 'standard' 3 car. "standard' is just parking its not a place where you can work on things. Thats just like my opinion man.coogles wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:08 pmBig Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:08 am
if thats something you want you defintly need to plan from start
RE; space, 750 is not a three car, and will be odd and have no room for anthing but cars if thats the route you go.
750 with a 2 car/ lift is a proper shop to work on things....even when the other car is parked in there. Mine is 650 and is a little tight but i still work on the cars in the garage itself alot.
A "standard" 2 car garage is 24'x24'. If you want to keep that width per bay, you can go 20'10" deep by 36' wide, or pick any combination to keep under the 750 square foot limit. Our two car is all of 17' x 18' and it fits our admittedly smaller vehicles just fine, including space in front of the STi/GTI for mower and other lawn crap. If we move forward with a garage build I'm not going deeper than 20' or 21', I don't want to take up the entire back yard. The lot is 40' wide, so assuming we can get a typically-approved variance to build along the property line just as the existing garage is, I'd do something like 21'x35', so there's enough room between my garage and the neighbor's, also on the property line, to walk through back to the alley. If we ever need a larger vehicle we'd probably replace the RDX with an MDX, which is barely over 16'. Nearly 5' of space in front of the car would be HUGE compared to what we're used to.
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Our lot is ridiculously deep. It's a big reason why we bought our house. Depth is absolutely a consideration for most, but not for us, which is why I think a little more depth would be useful for wall storage and whatnot. I'd rather have a big and tall 2 car, but that's just my preference.coogles wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:08 pmBig Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:08 am
if thats something you want you defintly need to plan from start
RE; space, 750 is not a three car, and will be odd and have no room for anthing but cars if thats the route you go.
750 with a 2 car/ lift is a proper shop to work on things....even when the other car is parked in there. Mine is 650 and is a little tight but i still work on the cars in the garage itself alot.
A "standard" 2 car garage is 24'x24'. If you want to keep that width per bay, you can go 20'10" deep by 36' wide, or pick any combination to keep under the 750 square foot limit. Our two car is all of 17' x 18' and it fits our admittedly smaller vehicles just fine, including space in front of the STi/GTI for mower and other lawn crap. If we move forward with a garage build I'm not going deeper than 20' or 21', I don't want to take up the entire back yard. The lot is 40' wide, so assuming we can get a typically-approved variance to build along the property line just as the existing garage is, I'd do something like 21'x35', so there's enough room between my garage and the neighbor's, also on the property line, to walk through back to the alley. If we ever need a larger vehicle we'd probably replace the RDX with an MDX, which is barely over 16'. Nearly 5' of space in front of the car would be HUGE compared to what we're used to.
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Right. All depends on what you want. I want space to work on and store things. I want to be able to hang yard equipment on the wall and still open the car door, etc.Big Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:13 pmso you would need 864 to make a 'standard' 3 car. "standard' is just parking its not a place where you can work on things. Thats just like my opinion man.coogles wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:08 pm
A "standard" 2 car garage is 24'x24'. If you want to keep that width per bay, you can go 20'10" deep by 36' wide, or pick any combination to keep under the 750 square foot limit. Our two car is all of 17' x 18' and it fits our admittedly smaller vehicles just fine, including space in front of the STi/GTI for mower and other lawn crap. If we move forward with a garage build I'm not going deeper than 20' or 21', I don't want to take up the entire back yard. The lot is 40' wide, so assuming we can get a typically-approved variance to build along the property line just as the existing garage is, I'd do something like 21'x35', so there's enough room between my garage and the neighbor's, also on the property line, to walk through back to the alley. If we ever need a larger vehicle we'd probably replace the RDX with an MDX, which is barely over 16'. Nearly 5' of space in front of the car would be HUGE compared to what we're used to.
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Of course, and my opinion is that I've worked on my cars plenty inside our little 17'x18' shack. I still maintain that something like 22' x 34' would be perfect. Just for an example, the WIDE Bendpak tandem parking lift is only 20'10" wide. A 10' wide bay is pretty normal, and that'd leave another 4' for cabinets and work space on the one end.Big Brain Bradley wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:13 pm so you would need 864 to make a 'standard' 3 car. "standard' is just parking its not a place where you can work on things. Thats just like my opinion man.
If he wants to build a 27x27 two car instead of a real 3 car that's fine, it's just a strange choice IMO.