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[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:31 am

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:06 am
It's super capable. Wrangler is the last solid axle passenger vehicle in existence. Other vehicles are pretty danged capable but have far better highway manners. Yes, more expensive to deal with potentially, but for a large portion of buyers, that doesn't really matter.

In a market where niches are increasingly marginalized - it's good to play to a niche.

There are obviously a lot of people who will still pony up for a new live axle farm implement with modern tech, so keep making it until you can't.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:21 pm

Apex wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:02 pm Just built a 2-door Sport S.... and it hit $40k how I would ideally want it.

That $2k hit for the 8speed, ouch.

It's just silly.

I could see $1k for an auto - but $2k?

What's the manual take rate on Wrangler, anyway? Make it a no-cost option for a manual instead.

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 10:15 am

[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 9:36 am



Leave the solid axle alone.

Also, it's due more to the slab-sided design. It's a big sail driving down the highway.

Hummer H3, FJ Cruiser, 4Runner (kind of) are all slab sided sails that didn't experience the same drivability issue. IFS has a huge role in it. There's a place for it in the lineup IMO.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:49 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:34 pm
Is it better for the product to go away because it's obsolete, or evolve and stay around?

With the prices where they're at, we're already getting market feedback that's they're too expensive and other vehicles make more sense forany buyers. It's only a matter of time before the Wrangler is too niche to sell in the volume it needs to.

It's way too expensive; I can't afford a new one, period (and I feel I'll soon be unable to afford anything new ever again the way vehicle costs are going up).

Back to the JL: Is it expensive as a result of demand, or as a result of cost to build? It's far better if it can stay around and evolve, but you need to remember that part of the Wrangler ethos is the live axle. It's a sacrifice many people are willing to live with for the image and the capability.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 4:21 pm

Apex wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 3:02 pm Just built a 2-door Sport S.... and it hit $40k how I would ideally want it.

That $2k hit for the 8speed, ouch.

It's just silly.

I could see $1k for an auto - but $2k?

What's the manual take rate on Wrangler, anyway? Make it a no-cost option for a manual instead.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:49 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 2:34 pm
Is it better for the product to go away because it's obsolete, or evolve and stay around?

With the prices where they're at, we're already getting market feedback that's they're too expensive and other vehicles make more sense forany buyers. It's only a matter of time before the Wrangler is too niche to sell in the volume it needs to.

It's way too expensive; I can't afford a new one, period (and I feel I'll soon be unable to afford anything new ever again the way vehicle costs are going up).

Back to the JL: Is it expensive as a result of demand, or as a result of cost to build? It's far better if it can stay around and evolve, but you need to remember that part of the Wrangler ethos is the live axle. It's a sacrifice many people are willing to live with for the image and the capability.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:38 am

I’m with Max. This thing sucks on the highway. Also. Pretty sure this is the same truck you had

max225 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:38 am

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 9:38 am

I’m with Max. This thing sucks on the highway. Also. Pretty sure this is the same truck you had

Holy shit you got my Jeep! Which rental agency did you use.

Did you have wind noise issues as well ?

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:55 am

max225 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:38 am

Holy shit you got my Jeep! Which rental agency did you use.

Did you have wind noise issues as well ?

Sixt. Non stock windshield. Side window has been replaced too. Loud as fuck on the highway all wind noise no road noise. Drives like a bus. I can move the wheel like 5 degrees and no response. This thing is exhausting on a highway drive over 60 MPH.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 11:59 am

max225 wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:59 am

Oh shit I used sixt also.... but I had Cali plates tho.

Interesting about steering, mine was okayish in terms of that, but a lot of guys were complaining about that very thing you’re describing. It seems to vary vehicle to vehicle.

You may want to double check if the roof was put back on right. It’s actually a bit more cumbersome than on the JK.

I drove that Jeep for 30 hrs in 4 days. And one open road section in Cali with wind had me fking exhausted. You couldn’t keep it straight.

You do eventually get used to it - I've gotten used to the

But it's no modern vehicle with noise-canceling steering.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 2:32 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 12:02 pm Also lol the gauges stopped working entirely this morning. Screen just keeps re booting.

Oh well.

Where you're going, you don't need gayges.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:21 pm Also I have a cooler, kitchen, and spices. Am I an overlander?

Apex wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:59 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:21 pm Also I have a cooler, kitchen, and spices. Am I an overlander?

if it’s on IG.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 7:21 pm Also I have a cooler, kitchen, and spices. Am I an overlander?