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Question what were your dealer fees? You bought from
Florida as well right ? My dealer is asking about my zip code etc and I am asking whether or not they are attempting to collect sales tax on behalf of Cali. I don’t want to be double taxed.
You should pay taxes in your home state... I paid about $700 in NC for reg/sales tax on the Beemah. I believe the :dillerman: fees were like $200, it was much less than here.

I think I paid $21.4k + $450 shipping, $200 :dillerman: rape fees and $700ish in NC rape fees.
Wrong. If it’s a dealer, they should do registration and taxes for you.

NC is unique because you have property tax on motor vehicles, which Max doesn’t have in Cali. Just the 10% sales tax.

We do out of state registrations all the time, we collect and remit taxes to the state of registration. It’s how it works.

You won’t get double taxed.
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Max, ask for an itemized breakdown of the dock fee and what it goes toward. That’s where you can catch them on their bullshit
Or just focus on a total OTD number. Itemizations don’t matter when you do it that way.

Welcome to doing business outside of Cali.
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Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:18 am

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You should pay taxes in your home state... I paid about $700 in NC for reg/sales tax on the Beemah. I believe the :dillerman: fees were like $200, it was much less than here.

I think I paid $21.4k + $450 shipping, $200 :dillerman: rape fees and $700ish in NC rape fees.
Wrong. If it’s a dealer, they should do registration and taxes for you.

NC is unique because you have property tax on motor vehicles, which Max doesn’t have in Cali. Just the 10% sales tax.

We do out of state registrations all the time, we collect and remit taxes to the state of registration. It’s how it works.

You won’t get double taxed.
That’s what I meant. You should pay taxes TO your home state, through the dealer. This is actually how the :derp: :dillerman: borked my Civic Si deal. They showed up with the car and said I owed another $800 because tax wasn’t included in the OTD price since they were in SC :wtf:

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Max, ask for an itemized breakdown of the dock fee and what it goes toward. That’s where you can catch them on their bullshit
Or just focus on a total OTD number. Itemizations don’t matter when you do it that way.

Welcome to doing business outside of Cali.
Yea, this makes sense. If the cash out number is acceptable, who cares how they got there?
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Wow... $1100 in fees is :fullretard: but I guess it brings the price up to normal market... :disgust:

I know on the 328i there are two different motors, one is CA legal, one isn’t. N20 is 49 state, N26 50 IIRC.
Only for sale NEW in the state. Any vehicle can be registered used in the state as long as it passes a smog check...and any newer car will.

There really isn't any physical difference between the cars, it's just extra fees the OEM pays to the state to be "50 state legal". All a crock IMO.
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Detroit wrote:
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Or just focus on a total OTD number. Itemizations don’t matter when you do it that way.

Welcome to doing business outside of Cali.
Yea, this makes sense. If the cash out number is acceptable, who cares how they got there?
I couldn’t get an answer as to if they deal with Cali dmv and register the car and get me plates etc. also the initial quote was flat out bullshit, it had 11% tax and ridiculous unknown fees etc.

I am not sure what some of you guys are saying period. I think at this point I’d much rather buy without them doing shit with my state because their fees are atrocious. The taxes and fees added up to 22% of the vehicle price

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Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:32 am

Zillon wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:39 am
D Griff wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:14 am


You should pay taxes in your home state... I paid about $700 in NC for reg/sales tax on the Beemah. I believe the :dillerman: fees were like $200, it was much less than here.

I think I paid $21.4k + $450 shipping, $200 :dillerman: rape fees and $700ish in NC rape fees.
Wrong. If it’s a dealer, they should do registration and taxes for you.

NC is unique because you have property tax on motor vehicles, which Max doesn’t have in Cali. Just the 10% sales tax.

We do out of state registrations all the time, we collect and remit taxes to the state of registration. It’s how it works.

You won’t get double taxed.
I am getting tons of mixed messages from you guys. What do you suggest is the appropriate action?
The first quote was 25,600 otd on a 21,900 vehicle.

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Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:29 am
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Yea, this makes sense. If the cash out number is acceptable, who cares how they got there?
I couldn’t get an answer as to if they deal with Cali dmv and register the car and get me plates etc. also the initial quote was flat out bullshit, it had 11% tax and ridiculous unknown fees etc.

I am not sure what some of you guys are saying period. I think at this point I’d much rather buy without them doing shit with my state because their fees are atrocious. The taxes and fees added up to 22% of the vehicle price
From my experience, it can vary from dealer to dealer with how they handle out of state stuff. When we bought our Saab in Illinois, I talked to the finance dude (who was surprisingly cool) and he said some states have reciprocal taxes (Live in MI and buy a car in OH, IL, IN, they collect the taxes and handle that aspect), and others don't.

When I bought my JK in Vegas and lived in CA, They didn't collect taxes or reg, but sent paperwork to the DMV of my choice to get things registered. All I had to do was get a smog check then drive to the DMV where they shockingly had the paperwork on file and I paid the taxes and reg and left with plates.

I wouldn't count on a dealer in FL doing anything for CA being on different coasts unless the dealer ships a lot of vehicles to CA. In this case, it sounds like they have no clue, so I'd just keep asking them for no sales tax collected so you can just do it yourself. If they're going to yank you around too much, just bail OR fly in, do the deal in person, and drive the car home. I've done Detroit to LA in 30 hours before. I love that drive.
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Wrong. If it’s a dealer, they should do registration and taxes for you.

NC is unique because you have property tax on motor vehicles, which Max doesn’t have in Cali. Just the 10% sales tax.

We do out of state registrations all the time, we collect and remit taxes to the state of registration. It’s how it works.

You won’t get double taxed.
I am getting tons of mixed messages from you guys. What do you suggest is the appropriate action?
The first quote was 25,600 otd on a 21,900 vehicle.
#1) Dealer will usually handle your taxes and registration, but it depends on the purchaser's state of registration. It may take a while for the reg, being out of state, but you may not have to handle this yourself when the car arrives back in Cali. You'll just need to get it smogged. If the smogging is conditional for the registration work, then you'll have to get it done and send them back the inspection report so that they can complete the registration process.

The other option is see if they'll not collect sales tax/reg and let you handle it on your own, which may be the case with Cali.

#2) Focus on the OTD number. You know their doc fee, you know what CA registration should be (approx.), you know your sales tax rate. Work backwards and build up your final OTD number off including all those figures and just say, look - I need to be here OTD. However you get there, I don't care. But this is where the deal is. And :micdrop:

Once you start bickering over the doc fee, the dealer will go, "Sorry sir, but everyone pays this fee," and :micdrop: on you. Doc fees are non negotiable once you try to negotiate them. If you're able to find out the doc fee, you can target an OTD price that effectively negotiates most of it out.
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I am getting tons of mixed messages from you guys. What do you suggest is the appropriate action?
The first quote was 25,600 otd on a 21,900 vehicle.
#1) Dealer will usually handle your taxes and registration, but it depends on the purchaser's state of registration. It may take a while for the reg, being out of state, but you may not have to handle this yourself when the car arrives back in Cali. You'll just need to get it smogged. If the smogging is conditional for the registration work, then you'll have to get it done and send them back the inspection report so that they can complete the registration process.

The other option is see if they'll not collect sales tax/reg and let you handle it on your own, which may be the case with Cali.

#2) Focus on the OTD number. You know their doc fee, you know what CA registration should be (approx.), you know your sales tax rate. Work backwards and build up your final OTD number off including all those figures and just say, look - I need to be here OTD. However you get there, I don't care. But this is where the deal is. And :micdrop:

Once you start bickering over the doc fee, the dealer will go, "Sorry sir, but everyone pays this fee," and :micdrop: on you. Doc fees are non negotiable once you try to negotiate them. If you're able to find out the doc fee, you can target an OTD price that effectively negotiates most of it out.
Ok, I think we’re all in agreement.

However I don’t think I trust them to handle my Cali shit for me. If I have to go back and forth on whether or not I smogged the car etc it would be essentially :fullretard: I can see shit getting lost etc.
I was never planning on negotiating their doc fee further as it is irrelevant per my earlier post, that’s a non negotiable fee to them. “Everyone pays it even employees” i already asked if $899 is standard for them when they first sent their quote.

That said I’ll see if I can get them down to 22.5 which seems rather unlikely from the 23.1 they quoted me in their latest OTD(non taxed) Quote.

I’m hoping I can do this today ... since weekend saleathon is about to be in full force and I’ll be out of town for 3 days.

Now the real question is, do you happen to remember if minis are 50 state cars or 49?

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Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:57 am

FWIW when I bought the :wankel: from a :dillerman: in FL last year they did not collect any tax or do any registration stuff. I did that myself in KY.

Sounds like you'll need to do the same, which is fine.

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#1) Dealer will usually handle your taxes and registration, but it depends on the purchaser's state of registration. It may take a while for the reg, being out of state, but you may not have to handle this yourself when the car arrives back in Cali. You'll just need to get it smogged. If the smogging is conditional for the registration work, then you'll have to get it done and send them back the inspection report so that they can complete the registration process.

The other option is see if they'll not collect sales tax/reg and let you handle it on your own, which may be the case with Cali.

#2) Focus on the OTD number. You know their doc fee, you know what CA registration should be (approx.), you know your sales tax rate. Work backwards and build up your final OTD number off including all those figures and just say, look - I need to be here OTD. However you get there, I don't care. But this is where the deal is. And :micdrop:

Once you start bickering over the doc fee, the dealer will go, "Sorry sir, but everyone pays this fee," and :micdrop: on you. Doc fees are non negotiable once you try to negotiate them. If you're able to find out the doc fee, you can target an OTD price that effectively negotiates most of it out.
Ok, I think we’re all in agreement.

However I don’t think I trust them to handle my Cali shit for me. If I have to go back and forth on whether or not I smogged the car etc it would be essentially :fullretard: I can see shit getting lost etc.
I was never planning on negotiating their doc fee further as it is irrelevant per my earlier post, that’s a non negotiable fee to them. “Everyone pays it even employees” i already asked if $899 is standard for them when they first sent their quote.

That said I’ll see if I can get them down to 22.5 which seems rather unlikely from the 23.1 they quoted me in their latest OTD(non taxed) Quote.

I’m hoping I can do this today ... since weekend saleathon is about to be in full force and I’ll be out of town for 3 days.

Now the real question is, do you happen to remember if minis are 50 state cars or 49?
MINIs should be 50 state cars.

BMW just had a couple years where they had SULEV and ULEV 2.0T 320 and 328i's available and not all were the same engine even.
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Ok, I think we’re all in agreement.

However I don’t think I trust them to handle my Cali shit for me. If I have to go back and forth on whether or not I smogged the car etc it would be essentially :fullretard: I can see shit getting lost etc.
I was never planning on negotiating their doc fee further as it is irrelevant per my earlier post, that’s a non negotiable fee to them. “Everyone pays it even employees” i already asked if $899 is standard for them when they first sent their quote.

That said I’ll see if I can get them down to 22.5 which seems rather unlikely from the 23.1 they quoted me in their latest OTD(non taxed) Quote.

I’m hoping I can do this today ... since weekend saleathon is about to be in full force and I’ll be out of town for 3 days.

Now the real question is, do you happen to remember if minis are 50 state cars or 49?
MINIs should be 50 state cars.

BMW just had a couple years where they had SULEV and ULEV 2.0T 320 and 328i's available and not all were the same engine even.
TY hopefully the :dillerman: will confirm.

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Ok, so I submitted my 22.5k offer. Pending their dicking... car has both keys and a clear bra as well.... :D

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OK settled on 23k. Deposit sent...

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OK settled on 23k. Deposit sent...
:wtf:

:225: is buying a car that isn't a 3 series?

There's no way this is really gonna happen.


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OK settled on 23k. Deposit sent...
:wtf:

:225: is buying a car that isn't a 3 series?

There's no way this is really gonna happen.


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max225 wrote:
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OK settled on 23k. Deposit sent...
:ohdang: Nice development.

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OK settled on 23k. Deposit sent...
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23k otd plus shipping?
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OK settled on 23k. Deposit sent...
:ohdang: Nice development.

:excited:
Yea i am not :excited: just yet... a bit :shock: this is a yuge leap of faith and I hope i didn't royally fuck up... I am placing my faith in pictures, carfax, the :dillerman: not being a complete and utter crock of crooked shit. We shall see when it gets here... but it may be a while... which is fine... I got 2 weeks on the beema... which should be right around the time it gets here.

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:ohdang: Nice development.

:excited:
Yea i am not :excited: just yet... a bit :shock: this is a yuge leap of faith and I hope i didn't royally fuck up... I am placing my faith in pictures, carfax, the :dillerman: not being a complete and utter crock of crooked shit. We shall see when it gets here... but it may be a while... which is fine... I got 2 weeks on the beema... which should be right around the time it gets here.
You're probably fine. Pictures and carfax don't lie.
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Yea i am not :excited: just yet... a bit :shock: this is a yuge leap of faith and I hope i didn't royally fuck up... I am placing my faith in pictures, carfax, the :dillerman: not being a complete and utter crock of crooked shit. We shall see when it gets here... but it may be a while... which is fine... I got 2 weeks on the beema... which should be right around the time it gets here.
You're probably fine. Pictures and carfax don't lie.

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