Car Talk 4: The Richard Hertz Rent-A-Car 500

[troyguitar]

Don't the GT cars get significantly better suspension? I didn't realize that they even made a 6 cylinder GTS though, that's

[max225]

Gm now claims that they "lose money" on every Corvette under 80k (for the C8). I wonder when that car will actually hit... I built mine out and it came out to be around 68k, which is apparently Gayman GT4 territory ...

The Cayman GTS 4.0 seems like it might be a deal. Coming in cheaper than the $100k GT4 with only a detuned version of the motor.. With an APR or Cobb tune you would recover the difference in perf and keep the cost difference.

A tune on a N/A motor? I know we differ on this one, but I'd keep my Poorshe stock if I was to get one. I don't trust pimple faced Tunerz that tune 20k gtis.

[CaleDeRoo]

Gm now claims that they "lose money" on every Corvette under 80k (for the C8). I wonder when that car will actually hit... I built mine out and it came out to be around 68k, which is apparently Gayman GT4 territory ...

I've seen photos of carriers full of them so they should be hitting lots soon

[CorvetteWaxer]

The Cayman GTS 4.0 seems like it might be a deal. Coming in cheaper than the $100k GT4 with only a detuned version of the motor.. With an APR or Cobb tune you would recover the difference in perf and keep the cost difference.

A tune on a N/A motor? I know we differ on this one, but I'd keep my Poorshe stock if I was to get one. I don't trust pimple faced Tunerz that tune 20k gtis.

Heh.. yeah, I know. I'm

[max225]

Wonder what is going on with Wranglers... Local went from 100+ for 2 years to 37 units... and that's pretty damn low...

[Huckleberry]

The Cayman GTS 4.0 seems like it might be a deal. Coming in cheaper than the $100k GT4 with only a detuned version of the motor.. With an APR or Cobb tune you would recover the difference in perf and keep the cost difference.

A tune on a N/A motor? I know we differ on this one, but I'd keep my Poorshe stock if I was to get one. I don't trust pimple faced Tunerz that tune 20k gtis.

Depending on how the factory tune was set up, gains can be had on an NA motor.

[dubshow]

Gm now claims that they "lose money" on every Corvette under 80k (for the C8). I wonder when that car will actually hit... I built mine out and it came out to be around 68k, which is apparently Gayman GT4 territory ...

The Cayman GTS 4.0 seems like it might be a deal. Coming in cheaper than the $100k GT4 with only a detuned version of the motor.. With an APR or Cobb tune you would recover the difference in perf and keep the cost difference.

Interesting.

Ive been shopping around between c6 zr1s and 2016-2017 z06s. They are all sub $60k.

[max225]

The Cayman GTS 4.0 seems like it might be a deal. Coming in cheaper than the $100k GT4 with only a detuned version of the motor.. With an APR or Cobb tune you would recover the difference in perf and keep the cost difference.

Interesting.

Ive been shopping around between c6 zr1s and 2016-2017 z06s. They are all sub $60k.

Wouldn’t a base c8 make more sense

[Desertbreh]

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 80866.html

FCA has a mixed 2019...
RAM is up 18% but Jeep is down 5% even with the new Gladiator...
Cherokee sales went down as much as the entire gladiator delivered for them for 2019

:wrangler: is down 5% as well, which is interesting considering the money on the hood of those and the fact that it was the first time FCA started slapping "rebates" on them.
Who the FK is buying the JGC new... 240k units last year...

But that's your advice when people are looking for used ones.

[max225]

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 80866.html

FCA has a mixed 2019...
RAM is up 18% but Jeep is down 5% even with the new Gladiator...
Cherokee sales went down as much as the entire gladiator delivered for them for 2019

:wrangler: is down 5% as well, which is interesting considering the money on the hood of those and the fact that it was the first time FCA started slapping "rebates" on them.
Who the FK is buying the JGC new... 240k units last year...

But that's your advice when people are looking for used ones.

vs JGC big difference when it comes to resale. As a 2015/16 pulls in 60/70% MSRP and a JGC is at 40-50%

But i guess when carmax is selling used JGC for "new" money that makes sense also. All I am saying is that SUV is pretty damn ancient... still pulling in yuge volumes. It was more a reflection of the demand on something that is a pretty ancient platform that dates back to a mercedes ML from 2 gens ago vs a Used/New debate.

[dubshow]

Interesting.

Ive been shopping around between c6 zr1s and 2016-2017 z06s. They are all sub $60k.

Wouldn’t a base c8 make more sense

I think I'd rather a loaded 650hp beast than a new budget exotic appliance.

[troyguitar]

Wouldn’t a base c8 make more sense

I think I'd rather a loaded 650hp beast than a new budget exotic appliance.

500 hp is for fucking losers. How would you even get to work on time?

[max225]

Wouldn’t a base c8 make more sense

I think I'd rather a loaded 650hp beast than a new budget exotic appliance.

Troll post or real post?

You can't even hook 650hp up through 2 tires, unless you're on slicks vs street tires or a prepped surface. Also you got about 15 years of extra development over a C5.2. Chassis balance, better styling, real paint, etc. I made a nice one for 68k. Not that far off.

[dubshow]

I think I'd rather a loaded 650hp beast than a new budget exotic appliance.

500 hp is for fucking losers. How would you even get to work on time?

[dubshow]

I think I'd rather a loaded 650hp beast than a new budget exotic appliance.

Troll post or real post?

You can't even hook 650hp up through 2 tires, unless you're on slicks vs street tires or a prepped surface. Also you got about 15 years of extra development over a C5.2. Chassis balance, better styling, real paint, etc. I made a nice one for 68k. Not that far off.

Real post.

I guess I'll just wait to see the c8 in person. Im laughing at how hard all the c7 values are falling. Wondering where it stops honestly. I mean, the c7z is a beast.

[goIftdibrad]

I think I'd rather a loaded 650hp beast than a new budget exotic appliance.

500 hp is for fucking losers. How would you even get to work on time?

it will be very difficult

[CorvetteWaxer]

Troll post or real post?

You can't even hook 650hp up through 2 tires, unless you're on slicks vs street tires or a prepped surface. Also you got about 15 years of extra development over a C5.2. Chassis balance, better styling, real paint, etc. I made a nice one for 68k. Not that far off.

Real post.

I guess I'll just wait to see the c8 in person. Im laughing at how hard all the c7 values are falling. Wondering where it stops honestly. I mean, the c7z is a beast.

Take it from me, unless the conditions are perfect, the C7Z is too much for its own good. Keeping the power w/o just smoking the expensive tires is nearly impossible on most roads. More than 1/2 throttle in 1st or 2nd is pretty much going to guarantee a smoke show, or getting sideways, fast. If you're not ready for it, it will also run you off the road after it pitches the car 45 degrees at 60 MPH in second.

In the height of summer, on the right roads that car is amazing. Showing off, that car is AMAZING. Driving hard in less than perfect conditions? I think my Z51 may have been better and I'm sure that's why everyone loved the Grand Sport.

I really don't miss it one bit after moving to the rear engine 911 with 200 less HP. The car feels just as fast on the street without the constant need for attention to keep from killing yourself and not needing new $2K tires every 4,000 miles.

[Huckleberry]

I think I'd rather a loaded 650hp beast than a new budget exotic appliance.

Troll post or real post?

You can't even hook 650hp up through 2 tires, unless you're on slicks vs street tires or a prepped surface. Also you got about 15 years of extra development over a C5.2. Chassis balance, better styling, real paint, etc. I made a nice one for 68k. Not that far off.

But irrelevant if you want a

[dubshow]

Real post.

I guess I'll just wait to see the c8 in person. Im laughing at how hard all the c7 values are falling. Wondering where it stops honestly. I mean, the c7z is a beast.

Take it from me, unless the conditions are perfect, the C7Z is too much for its own good. Keeping the power w/o just smoking the expensive tires is nearly impossible on most roads. More than 1/2 throttle in 1st or 2nd is pretty much going to guarantee a smoke show, or getting sideways, fast. If you're not ready for it, it will also run you off the road after it pitches the car 45 degrees at 60 MPH in second.

In the height of summer, on the right roads that car is amazing. Showing off, that car is AMAZING. Driving hard in less than perfect conditions? I think my Z51 may have been better and I'm sure that's why everyone loved the Grand Sport.

I really don't miss it one bit after moving to the rear engine 911 with 200 less HP. The car feels just as fast on the street without the constant need for attention to keep from killing yourself and not needing new $2K tires every 4,000 miles.

solid input. I think the noise is what is alluring. I dont know why I keep searching.

[CorvetteWaxer]

Take it from me, unless the conditions are perfect, the C7Z is too much for its own good. Keeping the power w/o just smoking the expensive tires is nearly impossible on most roads. More than 1/2 throttle in 1st or 2nd is pretty much going to guarantee a smoke show, or getting sideways, fast. If you're not ready for it, it will also run you off the road after it pitches the car 45 degrees at 60 MPH in second.

In the height of summer, on the right roads that car is amazing. Showing off, that car is AMAZING. Driving hard in less than perfect conditions? I think my Z51 may have been better and I'm sure that's why everyone loved the Grand Sport.

I really don't miss it one bit after moving to the rear engine 911 with 200 less HP. The car feels just as fast on the street without the constant need for attention to keep from killing yourself and not needing new $2K tires every 4,000 miles.

solid input. I think the noise is what is alluring. I dont know why I keep searching.

Oh yeah... it is glorious for 20% of the time, no question. If you can get over not having the "top dog" I think the Grand Sport is great. The Z06 and ZR1 are really unnecessary except for stats on paper.

If the C8 gets a I will probably revert my decision of NO CHEVY, NOT AGAIN and buy one.

[Melon]

He won't buy my C5 for the record.

Cheap thrills need not apply.

[CaleDeRoo]

If you want the sounds why not C6Z? Or hell a current gen ZL1

[D Griff]

Real post.

I guess I'll just wait to see the c8 in person. Im laughing at how hard all the c7 values are falling. Wondering where it stops honestly. I mean, the c7z is a beast.

Take it from me, unless the conditions are perfect, the C7Z is too much for its own good. Keeping the power w/o just smoking the expensive tires is nearly impossible on most roads. More than 1/2 throttle in 1st or 2nd is pretty much going to guarantee a smoke show, or getting sideways, fast. If you're not ready for it, it will also run you off the road after it pitches the car 45 degrees at 60 MPH in second.

In the height of summer, on the right roads that car is amazing. Showing off, that car is AMAZING. Driving hard in less than perfect conditions? I think my Z51 may have been better and I'm sure that's why everyone loved the Grand Sport.

I really don't miss it one bit after moving to the rear engine 911 with 200 less HP. The car feels just as fast on the street without the constant need for attention to keep from killing yourself and not needing new $2K tires every 4,000 miles.

I see C7Z at track days and the rate at which they blow by me in the straights is amazing. For a street car the GS seems like the sweet spot to me, your feedback is just what I’d expect.

[troyguitar]

If you want the sounds why not C6Z? Or hell a current gen ZL1

Mustang sounds better than the chevy stuff anyway. Newer Coyote with a couple of mods revs just like the GT350 and sounds+looks better than a C7. He already had one of those IIRC?

[4zilch]

He won't buy my C5 for the record.

Cheap thrills need not apply.

Dangerously slow