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Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:22 pm
by troyguitar
Yeah even that GMT400 is still a behemoth to me but it's tiny compared to current trucks. Looking further, it appears that if I were to truck I'd be after something more like the 2-door S10 Blazer/Jimmy GMT330. V6+5MT with 200ish hp, 100 in wheelbase, 177x68 in footprint, 67 cu ft cargo space, 5500 lbs tow capacity, 3500 lbs curb weight, 35 ft turning diameter, 23 mpg highway. Can tow anything I'd ever want to tow while still fitting in my garage and small parking spaces...
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:42 pm
by Johnny_P
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:00 pm
Just looked it up, I guess it was a GMT400 blazer/tahoe. 188 inches long, 77 inches wide, 4500ish lbs, V8 RWD with 99 cu ft of cargo space. It's essentially a big ass station wagon. 38 ft turning circle with 16:1 steering ratio too, so more maneuverable than a
- hell it probably has the same steering wheel
That for the 2 door? They were pretty neat. Kind of wide though. A friend of mine had one in high school when I lived in Texas. They'd go mudding all the damn time. Truck was pretty good for that.
They go for a lot now because the 2 door GMT400-based Blazers were kind of rare.
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:43 pm
by Johnny_P
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:22 pm
Yeah even that GMT400 is still a behemoth to me but it's tiny compared to current trucks. Looking further, it appears that if I were to truck I'd be after something more like the 2-door S10 Blazer/Jimmy GMT330. V6+5MT with 200ish hp, 100 in wheelbase, 177x68 in footprint, 67 cu ft cargo space, 5500 lbs tow capacity, 3500 lbs curb weight, 35 ft turning diameter, 23 mpg highway. Can tow anything I'd ever want to tow while still fitting in my garage and small parking spaces...
They were pretty crappy, honestly. People that had them seemed to love them. But epic shitty handling.
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:45 pm
by Johnny_P
[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:43 pm
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:42 pm
That for the 2 door? They were pretty neat. Kind of wide though. A friend of mine had one in high school when I lived in Texas. They'd go mudding all the damn time. Truck was pretty good for that.
They go for a lot now because the 2 door GMT400-based Blazers were kind of rare.
And they rust quickly too.
Well, even if you could find one... a GMT400 is between 18 and 25 years old. Chances of crippling rust are high.
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:50 pm
by wap
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:22 pm
Yeah even that GMT400 is still a behemoth to me but it's tiny compared to current trucks. Looking further, it appears that if I were to truck I'd be after something more like the 2-door S10 Blazer/Jimmy GMT330. V6+5MT with 200ish hp, 100 in wheelbase, 177x68 in footprint, 67 cu ft cargo space, 5500 lbs tow capacity, 3500 lbs curb weight, 35 ft turning diameter, 23 mpg highway. Can tow anything I'd ever want to tow while still fitting in my garage and small parking spaces...
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:19 pm
by troyguitar
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:43 pm
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:22 pm
Yeah even that GMT400 is still a behemoth to me but it's tiny compared to current trucks. Looking further, it appears that if I were to truck I'd be after something more like the 2-door S10 Blazer/Jimmy GMT330. V6+5MT with 200ish hp, 100 in wheelbase, 177x68 in footprint, 67 cu ft cargo space, 5500 lbs tow capacity, 3500 lbs curb weight, 35 ft turning diameter, 23 mpg highway. Can tow anything I'd ever want to tow while still fitting in my garage and small parking spaces...
They were pretty crappy, honestly. People that had them seemed to love them. But epic shitty handling.
Who buys a truck for handling?
AFAIK there isn't really another vehicle that can tow 5000 lbs and haul a bunch of shit in it without being 70+ inches wide, 180+ inches long, and 4000+ lbs.
I hate driving wide vehicles but apparently I'm the only one who feels that way.
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:28 pm
by max225
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:22 pm
Yeah even that GMT400 is still a behemoth to me but it's tiny compared to current trucks. Looking further, it appears that if I were to truck I'd be after something more like the 2-door S10 Blazer/Jimmy GMT330. V6+5MT with 200ish hp, 100 in wheelbase, 177x68 in footprint, 67 cu ft cargo space, 5500 lbs tow capacity, 3500 lbs curb weight, 35 ft turning diameter, 23 mpg highway. Can tow anything I'd ever want to tow while still fitting in my garage and small parking spaces...
Yep. As my my 2003 JGC. It was a really great size and fast as balls 0-30 and around 7 0-60. Could tow 6500 lbs also... it is the "truck" everyone could use daily dat 15/20 mpg doe and I never got a tank that was better than 17
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:29 pm
by max225
[user not found] wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:43 pm
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:42 pm
That for the 2 door? They were pretty neat. Kind of wide though. A friend of mine had one in high school when I lived in Texas. They'd go mudding all the damn time. Truck was pretty good for that.
They go for a lot now because the 2 door GMT400-based Blazers were kind of rare.
And they rust quickly too.
What's is rust ?
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:31 pm
by max225
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:19 pm
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:43 pm
They were pretty crappy, honestly. People that had them seemed to love them. But epic shitty handling.
Who buys a truck for handling?
AFAIK there isn't really another vehicle that can tow 5000 lbs and haul a bunch of shit in it without being 70+ inches wide, 180+ inches long, and 4000+ lbs.
I hate driving wide vehicles but apparently I'm the only one who feels that way.
Yea trucks and SUVs are for 0fg motoring if you anyone thinks they "handle" great they are fking mental.
My JGC was 72" wide and 181.5" long which is about the same size as a current civic
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:32 pm
by troyguitar
maxtdi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:28 pm
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:22 pm
Yeah even that GMT400 is still a behemoth to me but it's tiny compared to current trucks. Looking further, it appears that if I were to truck I'd be after something more like the 2-door S10 Blazer/Jimmy GMT330. V6+5MT with 200ish hp, 100 in wheelbase, 177x68 in footprint, 67 cu ft cargo space, 5500 lbs tow capacity, 3500 lbs curb weight, 35 ft turning diameter, 23 mpg highway. Can tow anything I'd ever want to tow while still fitting in my garage and small parking spaces...
Yep. As my my 2003 JGC. It was a really great size and fast as balls 0-30 and around 7 0-60. Could tow 6500 lbs also... it is the "truck" everyone could use daily dat 15/20 mpg doe and I never got a tank that was better than 17
If they made something like that with modern aero and powertrain options it could be pulling 30+ mpg on the highway. Instead we get massive bulbous FWD-based crossovers with no space inside and no towing abilities.
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:34 pm
by max225
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:32 pm
maxtdi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:28 pm
Yep. As my my 2003 JGC. It was a really great size and fast as balls 0-30 and around 7 0-60. Could tow 6500 lbs also... it is the "truck" everyone could use daily dat 15/20 mpg doe and I never got a tank that was better than 17
If they made something like that with modern aero and powertrain options it could be pulling 30+ mpg on the highway. Instead we get massive bulbous FWD-based crossovers with no space inside and no towing abilities.
If it had the 3.6 + 8 speed it would be perfectly fine. It also was 3800lbs or so at the time ... which is light for what it was.
That damn thing did eveything and anything I ever wanted it to. I still can't believe I sold it for 6k
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:37 pm
by troyguitar
maxtdi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:31 pm
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:19 pm
Who buys a truck for handling?
AFAIK there isn't really another vehicle that can tow 5000 lbs and haul a bunch of shit in it without being 70+ inches wide, 180+ inches long, and 4000+ lbs.
I hate driving wide vehicles but apparently I'm the only one who feels that way.
Yea trucks and SUVs are for 0fg motoring if you anyone thinks they "handle" great they are fking mental.
My JGC was 72" wide and 181.5" long which is about the same size as a current civic
The 68x175 inch footprint of the 2 door jimmy is Yaris iA territory (67x172 for that one). Super compact, yet with the interior space of a Q5 and tow rating of a base Colorado.
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:40 pm
by max225
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:37 pm
maxtdi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:31 pm
Yea trucks and SUVs are for 0fg motoring if you anyone thinks they "handle" great they are fking mental.
My JGC was 72" wide and 181.5" long which is about the same size as a current civic
The 68x175 inch footprint of the 2 door jimmy is Yaris iA territory (67x172 for that one). Super compact, yet with the interior space of a Q5 and tow rating of a base Colorado.
Yep my buddy's parents had one. It was an epic 0fg SUV that did eveything today's "truck" crowd wants to do and then some. Unfortunately it popped the tranny thanks to no one servicing it because ... 0fg and
"lifetime fill" bs.
That 4.3 is pretty stout doe... although you'd hate it. Big dick power to 3200rpm and then nothing but wheezing
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:41 pm
by Johnny_P
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:32 pm
maxtdi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:28 pm
Yep. As my my 2003 JGC. It was a really great size and fast as balls 0-30 and around 7 0-60. Could tow 6500 lbs also... it is the "truck" everyone could use daily dat 15/20 mpg doe and I never got a tank that was better than 17
If they made something like that with modern aero and powertrain options it could be pulling 30+ mpg on the highway. Instead we get massive bulbous FWD-based crossovers with no space inside and no towing abilities.
You might see these return. Bronco will cause 4Runner updates. And might tempt Chevy to bring back a Colorado based Blazer.
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:42 pm
by max225
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:37 pm
maxtdi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:31 pm
Yea trucks and SUVs are for 0fg motoring if you anyone thinks they "handle" great they are fking mental.
My JGC was 72" wide and 181.5" long which is about the same size as a current civic
The 68x175 inch footprint of the 2 door jimmy is Yaris iA territory (67x172 for that one). Super compact, yet with the interior space of a Q5 and tow rating of a base Colorado.
The XJ has a pretty strong tow rating and an even smaller footprint thanks to Unibrody. But good luck finding one for a decent price thanks to eveyone basically treating them like garbage for the last 20 years
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:42 pm
by Johnny_P
maxtdi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:40 pm
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:37 pm
The 68x175 inch footprint of the 2 door jimmy is Yaris iA territory (67x172 for that one). Super compact, yet with the interior space of a Q5 and tow rating of a base Colorado.
Yep my buddy's parents had one. It was an epic 0fg SUV that did eveything today's "truck" crowd wants to do and then some. Unfortunately it popped the tranny thanks to no one servicing it because ... 0fg and
"lifetime fill" bs.
That 4.3 is pretty stout doe... although you'd hate it. Big dick power to 3200rpm and then nothing but wheezing
A modern reincarnation of something like this would be alright.
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:43 pm
by max225
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:41 pm
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:32 pm
If they made something like that with modern aero and powertrain options it could be pulling 30+ mpg on the highway. Instead we get massive bulbous FWD-based crossovers with no space inside and no towing abilities.
You might see these return. Bronco will cause 4Runner updates. And might tempt Chevy to bring back a Colorado based Blazer.
Detroitplac thinks
and that Ford is just being a
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:44 pm
by troyguitar
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:41 pm
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:32 pm
If they made something like that with modern aero and powertrain options it could be pulling 30+ mpg on the highway. Instead we get massive bulbous FWD-based crossovers with no space inside and no towing abilities.
You might see these return. Bronco will cause 4Runner updates. And might tempt Chevy to bring back a Colorado based Blazer.
They won't return. A Colorado is fucking HUGE compared to these things.
68" wide truck will never happen again.
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:46 pm
by Johnny_P
maxtdi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:42 pm
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:37 pm
The 68x175 inch footprint of the 2 door jimmy is Yaris iA territory (67x172 for that one). Super compact, yet with the interior space of a Q5 and tow rating of a base Colorado.
The XJ has a pretty strong tow rating and an even smaller footprint thanks to Unibrody. But good luck finding one for a decent price thanks to eveyone basically treating them like garbage for the last 20 years
A 1st gen V6 auto Liberty with the tow package (trans cooler) is rated to 5k lbs. Cheap as dog shit because nobody wanted them.
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:46 pm
by Johnny_P
Durangos should tow an epic amount and they're dirt cheap.
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:47 pm
by max225
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:44 pm
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:41 pm
You might see these return. Bronco will cause 4Runner updates. And might tempt Chevy to bring back a Colorado based Blazer.
They won't return. A Colorado is fucking HUGE compared to these things.
68" wide truck will never happen again.
The wrangler is probably around there. It is literally a very very small vehicle the fender flares make it "73" or whatever but it is still easy as f to park.
Also they are bringing the truck version next year for those that think the lack of a roof is "utility"
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:47 pm
by Johnny_P
troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:44 pm
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:41 pm
You might see these return. Bronco will cause 4Runner updates. And might tempt Chevy to bring back a Colorado based Blazer.
They won't return. A Colorado is fucking HUGE compared to these things.
68" wide truck will never happen again.
Bruh. You live in the burbs in KY. Wide trux is lyfe out there.
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:49 pm
by max225
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:46 pm
maxtdi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:42 pm
The XJ has a pretty strong tow rating and an even smaller footprint thanks to Unibrody. But good luck finding one for a decent price thanks to eveyone basically treating them like garbage for the last 20 years
A 1st gen V6 auto Liberty with the tow package (trans cooler) is rated to 5k lbs. Cheap as dog shit because nobody wanted them.
They are not horrible vehicles but you gotta find a non abused V6 unit that has been beat to shit by
's over the last 15 years. They were always targeted at a low income demographic and have literally disappeared as of late similar to dodge neons
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:50 pm
by max225
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:46 pm
Durangos should tow an epic amount and they're dirt cheap.
Durangbros ride on leaf springs out back. JGC is a bit better as a platform
Re: Truck Talk: All Things Trux
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:50 pm
by Johnny_P
maxtdi wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:49 pm
Johnny_P wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:46 pm
A 1st gen V6 auto Liberty with the tow package (trans cooler) is rated to 5k lbs. Cheap as dog shit because nobody wanted them.
They are not horrible vehicles but you gotta find a non abused V6 unit that has been beat to shit by
's over the last 15 years. They were always targeted at a low income demographic and have literally disappeared as of late similar to dodge neons
Yep. They're out there though. I mean, I always hated them. But if you're NFG and just want something compact that can tow.... it's not a bad choice.
174" is pretty short