Jeeponomics 101: Eternal tirekicking for the gutless Jeep

[max225]

did you drive one or nah?

Brah, I was busy this weekend.

The question remains not answered

[max225]

Ninja edit ! That’s some epic distance

[Johnny_P]

Update: Dropped by the more local to at least sit in a JGC.

Fuck me is it comfy.

Nice vehicle. One thing I didn’t like was the heated seats and wheel being run thru the infotainment. Aside from that...

Yeah. They don't suck.

[Johnny_P]

Yeah. They don't suck.

I sat in a 2019 Limited X in the slate blue. Black interior.

Seats were

Nice long seat bottoms for a long legged feller’ like myself.

Yep
I've driven one extensively through the refinery. It was a beat to SHIT rental but man I appreciated it. Comfortable as f, rode well, bangin' stereo, handled freaking great.... Hard to go wrong and it's easy to see why they sell an assload of these.

[Apex]

Regular LJs seem to be in the low teens around me, for a non-Rubicon. Found one for $13k with 78k miles on it, auto, and silver. No hardtop.
Kinda thinking a LJ would be pretty sweet to wheel for awhile.

The garage around the corner from me has an auto TJ with a hardtop that we may go take for a spin. I’m curious how the 4speed autos are and how much noise there is with the hardtop.

[Johnny_P]

Yep
I've driven one extensively through the refinery. It was a beat to SHIT rental but man I appreciated it. Comfortable as f, rode well, bangin' stereo, handled freaking great.... Hard to go wrong and it's easy to see why they sell an assload of these.

Agreed. Super kampfy. I bet they drive great.

I'm definitely worried about reliability, especially with the air suspension, though. Shame they don't offer the Trailhawk in a non-air package. And then there's depreciation.

I think I'm back to still considering the 4Runner for reliability/depreciation reasons, trying to find a local one with KDSS to drive for . I've been plugging VINs into the Toyota Vehicle Spec page to find one: https://www.toyota.com/owners/my-vehicl ... cification

2 minutes of google-fu suggests electrical system, transmission, and possibly the air system as weak points. I didn't dive into any details on it.
4R is basically problem free but more of a sloth to drive. I'd be interested in your impressions of a KDSS model. I like the 4R aside from the muted barge aspect and lazy powertrain.

[Johnny_P]

Also, driver side of the seems to have leaked yesterday.

I'm ready for something with a fucking fixed roof.

that's completely unacceptable for a vehicle that isn't very old at all.

[Apex]

Also, driver side of the seems to have leaked yesterday.

I'm ready for something with a fucking fixed roof.

We had some crazy weather last night; I had a small bit of water sitting past my door seals this morning.

[SAWCE]

that's completely unacceptable for a vehicle that isn't very old at all.

It's disappointing.

I really do like the vehicle - looks great, it's fun/neat to drive, easy to work on. I catch myself looking back at it as I walk away thinking it truly does look cool. The leaking drives me crazy, though. I just wanna put the carpet back in for the sound deadening and temperature insulation.

Swap rear bumpers with me before you sell it

[SAWCE]

Swap rear bumpers with me before you sell it

Start driving, brah.

Yes sir, thank you sir.

[Johnny_P]

So, I went and drove a brand spanking new 2019 JGC Trailhawk tonight. Spec'd exactly how I want it. Billet Silver, rock rails. Has a sunroof too, which I don't really care about, but at least it's not the pano roof which is a hard no for me. I'd have driven a used one, but there isn't a used one within 15 miles of me. So, new it was.

Drove great. Felt tight, nimble even. Air suspension is a neat party trick. Seats are uber kampfy. Stock audio sounded great. Do I like it? Yeth. Do I feel it's the right vehicle? I... I don't know.

I feel like an old man yelling at the clouds when it comes to new cars - I don't want super fancy computerized stuff. I want a vehicle that works. And the Wrangler is that to a T. Simple, effective, comfortable even. It just won't fucking stay dry inside.

Sidenote: I went to Carmax to sit in the 4R immediately after the JGC, and they had a line of JK Wronglers lined up. All of them had varying degrees of damp or wet carpet. I had to laugh.

In conclusion, I just feel confused about what I want now. I want the Wrangler, but without the leaks. So that sounds like I should logically want a 4R but the 4R drives like a limp turd with a wet sponge for a brake pedal. And the JGC feels too fanthy but is probably my ideal vehicle because it's essentially an Alltrack on steroids that can tow things.

These feels. I feels them too. Exactly my internal dilemma.

[Johnny_P]

These feels. I feels them too. Exactly my internal dilemma.

I'm starting to think a JLU is the right vehicle.

I'm gonna sit and spin on it for a while, and hope my feet don't get too wet or warm.

JL is nice. You could go 2 door

[max225]

These feels. I feels them too. Exactly my internal dilemma.

I'm starting to think a JLU is the right vehicle.

I'm gonna sit and spin on it for a while, and hope my feet don't get too wet or warm.

[MexicanYarisTK]

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[CorvetteWaxer]

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That's a lot of Jeeps.

Funny he's complaining to the girl but would never tell any of those guys what he said here.... If it was even partly real.

[MexicanYarisTK]

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That's a lot of Jeeps.

Funny he's complaining to the girl but would never tell any of those guys what he said here.... If it was even partly real.

He has so much to say he probably doesn't have enough time to speak his mind towards his owners. Just see when they squash down his Toyota Matrix.

[razr390]

I think you can’t go wrong with a JGC. They seem like pretty great all around SUV’s and they still have that JEEP flair compared to a Toyota Highlander or some shit.

It’s a pretty tried and true platform so I don’t think you’d have any major dealings with gremlins and if so the parts/labor should be cheaper since it’s been around for forever.

[D Griff]

These feels. I feels them too. Exactly my internal dilemma.

I'm starting to think a JLU is the right vehicle.

I'm gonna sit and spin on it for a while, and hope my feet don't get too wet or warm.

I agree with JP, two door would be

Supplies would mostly be in the camper? But they are sweet and make much better DDs than a JK it seems.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I like the extra space in the 4-door. It's amazing how often you use the back seats for putting random things. I think it's the ideal size for a vehicle.

2-door would work, but might get a tad old over time...especially towing. That short wheelbase would be a pain...they're only rated to tow 1k lbs as a result.

The best of them all is the JT. The long wheelbase makes it look weird, but holy hell is it comfy to put miles on. Tracks straighter, minimal body motion, tons of space in the back seat, it's really my favorite. I'll have a report this weekend on towing performance.

[D Griff]

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[Gberg2119]

So a guy at work has a JK Sport with the plastic bumpers and recently discovered that squirrels have been eating it.

I was looking at it last night and they've already taken a nice chunk out of one of his fenders and they're starting on the other side. Lots of bites on the bumper as well. They've already sampled pretty much all of the exterior plastic aside from the door handles. Squirrels really eat s?

[D Griff]

I like the extra space in the 4-door. It's amazing how often you use the back seats for putting random things. I think it's the ideal size for a vehicle.

2-door would work, but might get a tad old over time...especially towing. That short wheelbase would be a pain...they're only rated to tow 1k lbs as a result.

The best of them all is the JT. The long wheelbase makes it look weird, but holy hell is it comfy to put miles on. Tracks straighter, minimal body motion, tons of space in the back seat, it's really my favorite. I'll have a report this weekend on towing performance.

JT is MASSIVE. I couldn't even park that thing where I live. I just prefer smaller cars , but can see the point about more space in the four door. Just wondering for [user not found], who hates people, no CF, etc, just take the back seats out and have a cool little mini

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I like the extra space in the 4-door. It's amazing how often you use the back seats for putting random things. I think it's the ideal size for a vehicle.

2-door would work, but might get a tad old over time...especially towing. That short wheelbase would be a pain...they're only rated to tow 1k lbs as a result.

The best of them all is the JT. The long wheelbase makes it look weird, but holy hell is it comfy to put miles on. Tracks straighter, minimal body motion, tons of space in the back seat, it's really my favorite. I'll have a report this weekend on towing performance.

JT is MASSIVE. I couldn't even park that thing where I live. I just prefer smaller cars , but can see the point about more space in the four door. Just wondering for [user not found], who hates people, no CF, etc, just take the back seats out and have a cool little mini

JT really isn't as massive as it seems on paper because it's still narrow. It's a long vehicle for sure, but I'm amazed by how small it feels overall. I've been whipping it around tight city things and parking garages with zero issue regularly. Turning radius is just as good if not better than the ZR2, and somehow the length just doesn't seem to get in the way of anything. To me, it's the width that kills when maneuvering big vehicles.

Obviously because I'm the only one that actually owns one of these.

The 2-door would work great for Zil...except for towing. It would be a bold move to tow his camper regularly behind a 2-door. The wheelbase just isn't long enough.

[CorvetteWaxer]

JT is MASSIVE. I couldn't even park that thing where I live. I just prefer smaller cars , but can see the point about more space in the four door. Just wondering for [user not found], who hates people, no CF, etc, just take the back seats out and have a cool little mini

JT really isn't as massive as it seems on paper because it's still narrow. It's a long vehicle for sure, but I'm amazed by how small it feels overall. I've been whipping it around tight city things and parking garages with zero issue regularly. Turning radius is just as good if not better than the ZR2, and somehow the length just doesn't seem to get in the way of anything. To me, it's the width that kills when maneuvering big vehicles.

Obviously because I'm the only one that actually owns one of these.

The 2-door would work great for Zil...except for towing. It would be a bold move to tow his camper regularly behind a 2-door. The wheelbase just isn't long enough.

Do not do this.

A few years back a friend tried to tow his small trailer to our desert camping trip. Winds were a little high, but nothing crazy. Within 40 miles on the freeway it got shitty fast jumping side to side and he tried to slow with minimal brakes and it ended up jack-knifing it and had to total the trailer.

The CHP told him they were amazed the Jeep wasn't impacted as almost all of the 2 door towing incidents total the trailer and the Jeep.

[dubshow]

These feels. I feels them too. Exactly my internal dilemma.

I'm starting to think a JLU is the right vehicle.

I'm gonna sit and spin on it for a while, and hope my feet don't get too wet or warm.

Can't believe your leak drama man! Thats SAD. Mine was bone dry. We just put a used top on my sisters and its dry as well.