DFD

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:58 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:32 pm
Shocks need to be stiffer off-road to minimize bottoming out the suspension. Constantly banging on the bump stops does not make for a comfortable ride off-road and reduces shock life. Every single vehicle I've driven with "heavy duty off-road suspension" rides worse than the more on-road focused counterpart, other than the ZR2 with its magic shocks.

It's very possible that the Bro is better, but my point is that forumbros will always blindly support what they spent their money on, you can hardly get a truly objective point of view.

Well that's what the remote reservoir is for, it has custom valving to avoid that sort of situation, which the regular shocks don't have. We're talking shocks that have remote reservoirs vs those that don't. So what makes the most sense is pretty soft/progressively firmer as you approach the end...

https://www.shocksurplus.com/pages/choo ... ota-tacoma

The second darker Taco at Shock Surplus recently upgraded to these, and was genuinely surprised by how much smoother the ride became

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:32 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:37 pm

I don’t see the parallel ... I’m looking to get the most comfortable ride out of the box. I’m not looking to mod, and I’m still perplexed why some claim off road shocks need to be stiff(er). If anything they need to be softer, hence my interest in the updated suspension from Toyota directly. So far almost everyone that has actually driven/owns a taco suggested that the ride quality is superior. Unfortunately I can’t verify the claims myself.

Shocks need to be stiffer off-road to minimize bottoming out the suspension. Constantly banging on the bump stops does not make for a comfortable ride off-road and reduces shock life. Every single vehicle I've driven with "heavy duty off-road suspension" rides worse than the more on-road focused counterpart, other than the ZR2 with its magic shocks.

It's very possible that the Bro is better, but my point is that forumbros will always blindly support what they spent their money on, you can hardly get a truly objective point of view.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:12 am Emailed dealer in Oregon ....

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:33 pm https://youtu.be/HBjZu3TfjF8

Is this bs. ?

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:38 am

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:33 pm https://youtu.be/HBjZu3TfjF8

Is this bs. ?

Not at all..is this what's on the TuRD BRO? I honestly don't know enough about them.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:38 am

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:38 am
Not at all..is this what's on the TuRD BRO? I honestly don't know enough about them.

Yes. Not only that but it also uses 2.5” diameter shocks vs plebe 2”. 2.5” Is supposed to be the best middle ground between full retard off road and DD.

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:57 am

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:38 am

Yes. Not only that but it also uses 2.5” diameter shocks vs plebe 2”. 2.5” Is supposed to be the best middle ground between full retard off road and DD.

Again, size is about durability, not ride.

But, the "internal bypass" part is the critical (and ) part for ride comfort. I didn't know the TuRD BRO had internal bypass shocks. Those would be absolutely worth the cost (which the shocks by themselves in the aftermarket are like $2k).

Apex wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:13 am

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:12 am Emailed dealer in Oregon ....

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:14 pm

Apex wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:13 am

Replied back they want a markup of 3k and it was "special ordered for someone" and they can "order me one"

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:03 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:57 am
Again, size is about durability, not ride.

But, the "internal bypass" part is the critical (and ) part for ride comfort. I didn't know the TuRD BRO had internal bypass shocks. Those would be absolutely worth the cost (which the shocks by themselves in the aftermarket are like $2k).

Yep closer to 3k in the aftermarket for all 4... Esspensive.. The minor concern is that these types of shocks wear out in 30-50k miles, vs 80-100k for gas shocks.

In terms of durability comments, I am still learning through your inputs, and what I can find online. External reservoir is not just for cooling it also allows for longer shock travel in the same "size" shock. And cooling as mentioned. I could be but I am still learning as mentioned.

Apex wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:14 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:14 pm

Replied back they want a markup of 3k and it was "special ordered for someone" and they can "order me one"

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:15 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:03 pm
Yep closer to 3k in the aftermarket for all 4... Esspensive.. The minor concern is that these types of shocks wear out in 30-50k miles, vs 80-100k for gas shocks.

In terms of durability comments, I am still learning through your inputs, and what I can find online. External reservoir is not just for cooling it also allows for longer shock travel in the same "size" shock. And cooling as mentioned. I could be but I am still learning as mentioned.

These types of shocks are usually rebuildable by Fox when the time comes, which isn't as expensive as replacing entirely. Gas shocks are still probably cheaper to replace, but you likely don't need to factor entire shock replacement costs for the ones...assuming you even have the vehicle long enough to be concerned about it. I'd be surprised if you needed to do anything with those shocks for your intended use.

External reservoir shocks can allow for increased travel, but there's still physical limitations there.

But my missing piece was the internal bypass part. That shit is and absolutely worth it. Gladiator Rubicons do not have internal bypass shocks, but the Mojave does. There's a significant ride quality difference between the two as a result of it.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:24 pm If you think the OR rides fine as is, then I’m confused as to why we are even having this discussion?

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:14 pm

Apex wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:13 am

Replied back they want a markup of 3k and it was "special ordered for someone" and they can "order me one"

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:29 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:24 pm If you think the OR rides fine as is, then I’m confused as to why we are even having this discussion?

I am learning about shocks and shock technologies and hopefully others do too

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:39 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:29 pm

I am learning about shocks and shock technologies and hopefully others do too

There's quite a bit to it, especially when it comes to Off-road shocks. For so long off-road shocks were somewhat punishing on the street. Early shocks had manual adjustability (like Koni Yellows in sports cars), but internal bypass and the even more exotic spool valves in the Mutlimatic shocks on the ZR2 have really made expensive shocks a great on and off-road "best of both worlds".

If you really want to learn about shock tech, do some reading on the Multimatic DSSV dampers in the ZR2. I know the truck is ugly or your gardener drives one or whatever, but the shocks are really sweet.

http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/chassi ... matic-dssv

BTW, I took it upon myself to train field staff at Chevy on shock tech when I launched ZR2 as the brand manager. I know more than I should about this shit.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:42 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:39 pm
There's quite a bit to it, especially when it comes to Off-road shocks. For so long off-road shocks were somewhat punishing on the street. Early shocks had manual adjustability (like Koni Yellows in sports cars), but internal bypass and the even more exotic spool valves in the Mutlimatic shocks on the ZR2 have really made expensive shocks a great on and off-road "best of both worlds".

If you really want to learn about shock tech, do some reading on the Multimatic DSSV dampers in the ZR2. I know the truck is ugly or your gardener drives one or whatever, but the shocks are really sweet.

http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/chassi ... matic-dssv

BTW, I took it upon myself to train field staff at Chevy on shock tech when I launched ZR2 as the brand manager. I know more than I should about this shit.

I wish the ZR2 shocks were available elsewhere... They are epic.

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:47 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:42 pm

I wish the ZR2 shocks were available elsewhere... They are epic.

I'd be surprised if they didn't expand. ZR2 was a massive project for them, up to that point they had done super low volume high end stuff. The only issue is the cost of the shocks is insane compared to simpler bypass shocks from the likes of Fox and Bilstein. GM used it as a competitive advantage to justify the cost, and it worked well for them as it was hit hard in marketing. Others may follow suit, but as electronic controls gain popularity and reduce cost, they might take over because it seems everyone loves digital shit now.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:22 pm I had multimatic dampers on my focus. They blew up after 30k miles. Both leaked. Couldn’t handle philly roads. Trash.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:28 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:22 pm I had multimatic dampers on my focus. They blew up after 30k miles. Both leaked. Couldn’t handle philly roads. Trash.

What year focus?

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:37 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:28 pm

What year focus?

2000