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D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:05 am The Mini back seat is legit better than a Tacoma which is

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:05 am

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:00 am
Could be part of it...I dunno the ride just feels firmer in the Rubicon. More sidewall, which usually means more compliance, so I blame the shocks. Offroad shocks by design need to tend to be stiffer to avoid bottoming out. The Overland is smoother overall on the road. I notice the same with the JL...I really like driving the Sahara because of how smooth/comfortable it is on road.

If I don't buy my truck, I'd seriously consider leasing an Overland next.

Yeah, that is the thing... just because a shock is better off road, doesn't mean it's better on road. Rebound speed and such are all tuned to very specific variables. I personally bet both the Off Road and Pro ride pretty well, I think that is a crazy reason to spend $10K more, personally. I would only do it if the extra off road prowess is needed/desired.

I recently went off roading and road for 8 hours on the highway in an Off Road and it certainly road better than my BMW or C5, probably my Jeep as well. It was a perfectly comfy vehicle other than the backseat which is terrible.

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:05 am

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:00 am
Could be part of it...I dunno the ride just feels firmer in the Rubicon. More sidewall, which usually means more compliance, so I blame the shocks. Offroad shocks by design need to tend to be stiffer to avoid bottoming out. The Overland is smoother overall on the road. I notice the same with the JL...I really like driving the Sahara because of how smooth/comfortable it is on road.

If I don't buy my truck, I'd seriously consider leasing an Overland next.

Yeah, that is the thing... just because a shock is better off road, doesn't mean it's better on road. Rebound speed and such are all tuned to very specific variables. I personally bet both the Off Road and Pro ride pretty well, I think that is a crazy reason to spend $10K more, personally. I would only do it if the extra off road prowess is needed/desired.

I recently went off roading and road for 8 hours on the highway in an Off Road and it certainly road better than my BMW or C5, probably my Jeep as well. It was a perfectly comfy vehicle other than the backseat which is terrible.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:07 am

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:05 am

Yeah, that is the thing... just because a shock is better off road, doesn't mean it's better on road. Rebound speed and such are all tuned to very specific variables. I personally bet both the Off Road and Pro ride pretty well, I think that is a crazy reason to spend $10K more, personally. I would only do it if the extra off road prowess is needed/desired.

I recently went off roading and road for 8 hours on the highway in an Off Road and it certainly road better than my BMW or C5, probably my Jeep as well. It was a perfectly comfy vehicle other than the backseat which is terrible.

The cost differential in an equally equipped off road vs pro is $1000. The pro is just fully loaded vs medium trim off road.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:06 am

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:05 am The Mini back seat is legit better than a Tacoma which is

You’re insane

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:21 am

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:07 am

The cost differential in an equally equipped off road vs pro is $1000. The pro is just fully loaded vs medium trim off road.

I get it in that case then. I have never looked into them all that much, I figured it was like Rubicon type stuff, which IMO is sort of pointless for 99.9% of buyers.

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:21 am

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:06 am

You’re insane

I have ridden to FL in the back of an R56 and I've ridden on a few shorter road trips in the Tacoma, trust me, it is worse. I am also 6'1" at least.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:52 am Fled has a OffRoad. You can ask him about the elbow shattering ride.

fledonfoot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:55 am

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:52 am Fled has a OffRoad. You can ask him about the elbow shattering ride.

I have beefy Fox front shocks and a remote reservoir Fox rear shock and it still broke me.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:29 am

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:21 am

I have ridden to FL in the back of an R56 and I've ridden on a few shorter road trips in the Tacoma, trust me, it is worse. I am also 6'1" at least.

you’re talking to someone that has a mini. And the back seat while acceptable under certain conditions I.E when your sig other is a midget is acceptable. But that’s it. Yes the back seat of the taco isn’t cavernous but it is factually larger than the mini.

CaleDeRoo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:08 pm This guy is why there'll be 22" wheels.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:24 pm

This is Doug in the back of a taco. Seems fine to me.

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:05 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:24 pm

This is Doug in the back of a taco. Seems fine to me.

I guess I am also referring to the gen ending in 2014 or whatever, I sat in a new one at the auto show and it seemed a little better. But trust me, if you haven't actually ridden in one... it is really remarkably uncomfortable.

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:05 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:24 pm

This is Doug in the back of a taco. Seems fine to me.

I guess I am also referring to the gen ending in 2014 or whatever, I sat in a new one at the auto show and it seemed a little better. But trust me, if you haven't actually ridden in one... it is really remarkably uncomfortable.

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:27 am

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:21 am

I drove an off road as mentioned and it was fine. I drive a 250k mile Tacoma as of right now. So really Anything is an “upgrade” but if I’m paying 50k it better ride much nicer than the 40k version with the plebe shocks

I'm just not convinced that it will. Forumbros will always support their higher spending habits, even if it's not warranted. JT Overland rides better than a JT Rubicon even though the Rubicon has Fox shocks.

fledonfoot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:55 am

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:52 am Fled has a OffRoad. You can ask him about the elbow shattering ride.

I have beefy Fox front shocks and a remote reservoir Fox rear shock and it still broke me.

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:19 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:05 pm

I guess I am also referring to the gen ending in 2014 or whatever, I sat in a new one at the auto show and it seemed a little better. But trust me, if you haven't actually ridden in one... it is really remarkably uncomfortable.

That's how I find the Taco in general...remarkably uncomfortable for a tall dude...the floor feels too high to me.

But everyone complains about the JL/T, and I find that just fine, so I'm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:31 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:27 am
I'm just not convinced that it will. Forumbros will always support their higher spending habits, even if it's not warranted. JT Overland rides better than a JT Rubicon even though the Rubicon has Fox shocks.

Forum bro’s insist the STI rides better with such and such stiffer springs and dampers. Emailed a shop about it and they basically said stock is softest that’s out there unless you want $2k custom built coil overs.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:34 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:19 pm
That's how I find the Taco in general...remarkably uncomfortable for a tall dude...the floor feels too high to me.

But everyone complains about the JL/T, and I find that just fine, so I'm

I think it’s fine in the front, kind of like a Camry or anything else. Rear yeah a little uncomfortable since you’re eating your knees. But who gives a shit about rear seat comfort when it’ll only get used 3x a year to ferry drunkies to/from wineries.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:31 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:27 am
I'm just not convinced that it will. Forumbros will always support their higher spending habits, even if it's not warranted. JT Overland rides better than a JT Rubicon even though the Rubicon has Fox shocks.

Forum bro’s insist the STI rides better with such and such stiffer springs and dampers. Emailed a shop about it and they basically said stock is softest that’s out there unless you want $2k custom built coil overs.

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:19 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:31 pm

Forum bro’s insist the STI rides better with such and such stiffer springs and dampers. Emailed a shop about it and they basically said stock is softest that’s out there unless you want $2k custom built coil overs.

Case in point.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:37 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:19 pm
Case in point.

I don’t see the parallel ... I’m looking to get the most comfortable ride out of the box. I’m not looking to mod, and I’m still perplexed why some claim off road shocks need to be stiff(er). If anything they need to be softer, hence my interest in the updated suspension from Toyota directly. So far almost everyone that has actually driven/owns a taco suggested that the ride quality is superior. Unfortunately I can’t verify the claims myself.

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:32 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:37 pm

I don’t see the parallel ... I’m looking to get the most comfortable ride out of the box. I’m not looking to mod, and I’m still perplexed why some claim off road shocks need to be stiff(er). If anything they need to be softer, hence my interest in the updated suspension from Toyota directly. So far almost everyone that has actually driven/owns a taco suggested that the ride quality is superior. Unfortunately I can’t verify the claims myself.

Shocks need to be stiffer off-road to minimize bottoming out the suspension. Constantly banging on the bump stops does not make for a comfortable ride off-road and reduces shock life. Every single vehicle I've driven with "heavy duty off-road suspension" rides worse than the more on-road focused counterpart, other than the ZR2 with its magic shocks.

It's very possible that the Bro is better, but my point is that forumbros will always blindly support what they spent their money on, you can hardly get a truly objective point of view.

The second darker Taco at Shock Surplus recently upgraded to these, and was genuinely surprised by how much smoother the ride became