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Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:02 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:14 pm
There's no fun to be had in anything that isn't a sports car. Didn't you get the memo? Are you new here?

The memo says you should have both. Four post lift brah.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:31 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:26 pm
I've been saying this for years, only to be told

Get with the program pal, Trackdaybro or

I think more people support off-roading on this forum than not. So you're about saying that others told you you're

SAWCE wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:03 pm I love rowing gears in my JK. Don’t plan on doing any real crawling, which I think would be the only place an automatic would have an advantage. Soft roading happens just fine in the

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:39 pm

SAWCE wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:03 pm I love rowing gears in my JK. Don’t plan on doing any real crawling, which I think would be the only place an automatic would have an advantage. Soft roading happens just fine in the

I legit enjoyed the in my JK. It was fun.

The in the JL is just too...fake? Zero clutch feel, the shifter feels like a video game joystick (it essentially is), gearing is all wrong, it's just not great. Vs the 8 speed that's telepathic in gear selection, rips off shifts faster than any slushbox has the right to, and still manages to be smooth and easy.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:22 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:39 pm
I legit enjoyed the in my JK. It was fun.

The in the JL is just too...fake? Zero clutch feel, the shifter feels like a video game joystick (it essentially is), gearing is all wrong, it's just not great. Vs the 8 speed that's telepathic in gear selection, rips off shifts faster than any slushbox has the right to, and still manages to be smooth and easy.

Um... JL is worlds better than the jk... The gearing is shit but the trans (throws+clutch) is way better. I do wonder why the gearing is so off... It's basically gear 1-3, and then 5th, because 6th is too tall. A bizarre driving experience. It is a 4 speed 6 speed. Gear 4 and 5 are completely useless.

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:20 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:22 pm

Um... JL is worlds better than the jk... The gearing is shit but the trans (throws+clutch) is way better. I do wonder why the gearing is so off... It's basically gear 1-3, and then 5th, because 6th is too tall. A bizarre driving experience. It is a 4 speed 6 speed. Gear 4 and 5 are completely useless.

What makes a in a or :Jeep: "fun" is the mechanical feeling of it all, the JL has none of that. Just get the auto at that point.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:23 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:20 pm
What makes a in a or :Jeep: "fun" is the mechanical feeling of it all, the JL has none of that. Just get the auto at that point.

The other issue is lack of torque. The 3.6 is really crappy under 2200-2500rpm, it feels completely gutless and bogs, a feeling absent on the AUTO.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:23 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:20 pm
What makes a in a or :Jeep: "fun" is the mechanical feeling of it all, the JL has none of that. Just get the auto at that point.

The other issue is lack of torque. The 3.6 is really crappy under 2200-2500rpm, it feels completely gutless and bogs, a feeling absent on the AUTO.

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:47 am

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:23 pm
The other issue is lack of torque. The 3.6 is really crappy under 2200-2500rpm, it feels completely gutless and bogs, a feeling absent on the AUTO.

I think the 2.0T feels a lot better, personally. It's too bad that it isn't an option with but I wasn't getting regardless, so whatever. Hopefully the motor doesn't as I could see us having this car for 150k miles or more (if we ever actually drive again).

max225 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:50 am

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:47 am

I think the 2.0T feels a lot better, personally. It's too bad that it isn't an option with but I wasn't getting regardless, so whatever. Hopefully the motor doesn't as I could see us having this car for 150k miles or more (if we ever actually drive again).

I can see it lasting 100k trouble free, which would be a decade for y’all if I’m guessing. I don’t think reliability is a concern on any new car

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:52 am

max225 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:50 am
I can see it lasting 100k trouble free, which would be a decade for y’all if I’m guessing. I don’t think reliability is a concern on any new car

I think the motor is Alfa Romeo derived

But yeah, who knows how long we'll have it. put 130K miles on the Fusion in seven years of ownershit so we'll see. Her commute now is only 12 miles round trip, but we will take trips to the mountains, FL, etc. in this bad boy.

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:08 am

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:52 am

I think the motor is Alfa Romeo derived

But yeah, who knows how long we'll have it. put 130K miles on the Fusion in seven years of ownershit so we'll see. Her commute now is only 12 miles round trip, but we will take trips to the mountains, FL, etc. in this bad boy.

No, the 2.0T is a ground-up corporate engine. Alfa uses a version of the engine, but it didn't come from Alfa. It's actually overbuilt for the power level in the JL. I wouldn't worry about durability one bit.

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:08 am

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:52 am

I think the motor is Alfa Romeo derived

But yeah, who knows how long we'll have it. put 130K miles on the Fusion in seven years of ownershit so we'll see. Her commute now is only 12 miles round trip, but we will take trips to the mountains, FL, etc. in this bad boy.

No, the 2.0T is a ground-up corporate engine. Alfa uses a version of the engine, but it didn't come from Alfa. It's actually overbuilt for the power level in the JL. I wouldn't worry about durability one bit.

Apex wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:41 am

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:08 am
No, the 2.0T is a ground-up corporate engine. Alfa uses a version of the engine, but it didn't come from Alfa. It's actually overbuilt for the power level in the JL. I wouldn't worry about durability one bit.

I’m looking forward to sending it through some mud holes.

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:49 am When we were test driving, that 2.4 Renegade was gutless.

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:45 am

Apex wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:41 am

I’m looking forward to sending it through some mud holes.

You should

Apex wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:55 am

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:45 am

You should

I’m not anything... from a stop it’ll get the rear tires squirrelly at will.

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:12 pm

Apex wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:55 am

I’m not anything... from a stop it’ll get the rear tires squirrelly at will.

Yea, I wouldn't waste the money on for

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:18 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:12 pm
Yea, I wouldn't waste the money on for

That's why I encouraged him to , not me

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:18 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:12 pm
Yea, I wouldn't waste the money on for

That's why I encouraged him to , not me

D Griff wrote:Just paid off the Beemah... wrote a check for $13.7K, I think my second largest after the house down payment. I have worked out a with a buyer for the car, just awaiting title delivery now.

D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:15 am Just paid off the Beemah... wrote a check for $13.7K, I think my second largest after the house down payment. I have worked out a with a buyer for the car, just awaiting title delivery now.