Car Talk 6: Best of times and Worst of Times

[D Griff]

Yep, other 3 series is super practical, mine was perfectly acceptable for four adults and four carry ons and back packs.

[golftdibrad1]

Sure i get it, they are small. but its totes doable for a couple to pack for the weekend and put the things in the trunk.

Living with the BMW for a few months...its not THAT much bigger. IE a trip to the grocery in the beemer is just a big a pain as in the miata.

Bmw convertibles don’t have trunks with the top down … teeny. Backseat is a huge space adder.

let me tell ya it ain't exactly great with it up either

[max225]

Bmw convertibles don’t have trunks with the top down … teeny. Backseat is a huge space adder.

let me tell ya it ain't exactly great with it up either

The sedan on the other hand is surprisingly good. Eh win some lose some.

[golftdibrad1]

let me tell ya it ain't exactly great with it up either

The sedan on the other hand is surprisingly good. Eh win some lose some.

I aint mad, i enjoy driving a luxury sports car every day

[golftdibrad1]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/vw-tuner- ... ith-550-hp

40k for the HPA 550, you bring the car.

man, i can in no way afford that, but if I could...thats a mini supercar

[max225]

Chinese engine in a German car ! Jesus

[D Griff]

Yeah that's cool and all but it's a no from me, dog. It's still a six year old Golf... for new M3 money, which is a properly warrantied, RWD car, even available with a manual. The Golf chassis just ain't really $80K material.

[SAWCE]

I get why they’re only doing DSG cars, but option would be nice. Not that I have any of what’s needed to get one of these lol.

[Desertbreh]

Yeah that's cool and all but it's a no from me, dog. It's still a six year old Golf... for new M3 money, which is a properly warrantied, RWD car, even available with a manual. The Golf chassis just ain't really $80K material.

Yeah its for the guy that already has one of those and 5 other cool things and he's still whacking it to his MarkIV R32 that he crashed when he was 23.

[max225]

Ford locally is already discounting the GT. It came out like a month ago… my feeling of them completely over pricing it is clearly panning out

[D Griff]

Ford locally is already discounting the GT. It came out like a month ago… my feeling of them completely over pricing it is clearly panning out

Funny how an absolutely wild, whirlwind few years in auto sales resulted in nothing actually changing.

I met with one of my customers partners in DC this week and their purchasing gal has an order for the Dark Horse. It sounds like she’s paying well over MSRP and convinced it’s an investment car, I wanted to tell her no Mustang is going up in value in the short term but

[max225]

Ford locally is already discounting the GT. It came out like a month ago… my feeling of them completely over pricing it is clearly panning out

Funny how an absolutely wild, whirlwind few years in auto sales resulted in nothing actually changing.

I met with one of my customers partners in DC this week and their purchasing gal has an order for the Dark Horse. It sounds like she’s paying well over MSRP and convinced it’s an investment car, I wanted to tell her no Mustang is going up in value in the short term but

What do you think the annual income of “purchasing gal” is? I’m curious since it seems like on average mustang customers tend to be really overextended

[D Griff]

Funny how an absolutely wild, whirlwind few years in auto sales resulted in nothing actually changing.

I met with one of my customers partners in DC this week and their purchasing gal has an order for the Dark Horse. It sounds like she’s paying well over MSRP and convinced it’s an investment car, I wanted to tell her no Mustang is going up in value in the short term but

What do you think the annual income of “purchasing gal” is? I’m curious since it seems like on average mustang customers tend to be really overextended

Def less than the Dark Horse transaction price, $60-70k if I had to guess?

[D Griff]

I can’t believe the Dark Horse is $75k MSRP… for a Mustang with the same engine/chassis as a GT that could be had for $30k a decade ago.

[Gberg2119]

I can’t believe the Dark Horse is $75k MSRP… for a Mustang with the same engine/chassis as a GT that could be had for $30k a decade ago.

It’s got screenz

[max225]

I can’t believe the Dark Horse is $75k MSRP… for a Mustang with the same engine/chassis as a GT that could be had for $30k a decade ago.

:thankyou:


I think it will be an a solute flop. (At the current price point).

Like the average ok to do American which I believe to be the target customer for a mass volume sports car makes probably 70-90k a year if I had to guess… 65-72k msrp + markup is Just lunacy imo.

This needs to be a 55-60k car tops with the GT in the 40s. If it was to ever sell in volume.

Also I don’t think there is enough distinguishing the GT and Dark Horse.

[D Griff]

Agreed. Hence why I tried to subtly talk this chick out of it, she seems pretty bought into future value/collectibility and I don’t think it’s there for that. MAYBE in 50 years…

There is something special about a 5.0 NA with a great six speed in today’s market but it’s way too much cash for a mostly 2012 Mustang GT. GT350 was $50k and had a bespoke very special engine.

[max225]

Agreed. Hence why I tried to subtly talk this chick out of it, she seems pretty bought into future value/collectibility and I don’t think it’s there for that. MAYBE in 50 years…

There is something special about a 5.0 NA with a great six speed in today’s market but it’s way too much cash for a mostly 2012 Mustang GT. GT350 was $50k and had a bespoke very special engine.

Run me through how it’s better than a M2 that’s actually cheaper, or m3?! Both of which imo will be far more collectible.

I think the only modern collectible Stangs are gt350/R and maybe a Mach 1 and gt500 for the pure insanity factor.

Dark horse is far too common/pedestrian/expensive for what it is.

[MrH42]

Yeah, insane pricing for what you get. An ancient chassis, an ugly exterior, and some screens (which are kind of cool doe). I can’t believe the thing is pushing $70k and the center console is still that old cheap ass Mustang look.

[CaleDeRoo]

Agreed. Hence why I tried to subtly talk this chick out of it, she seems pretty bought into future value/collectibility and I don’t think it’s there for that. MAYBE in 50 years…

There is something special about a 5.0 NA with a great six speed in today’s market but it’s way too much cash for a mostly 2012 Mustang GT. GT350 was $50k and had a bespoke very special engine.

She coming to disc golf?

[D Griff]

Agreed. Hence why I tried to subtly talk this chick out of it, she seems pretty bought into future value/collectibility and I don’t think it’s there for that. MAYBE in 50 years…

There is something special about a 5.0 NA with a great six speed in today’s market but it’s way too much cash for a mostly 2012 Mustang GT. GT350 was $50k and had a bespoke very special engine.

She coming to disc golf?

she’s in MD or I’d try to hook you up.

[D Griff]

Agreed. Hence why I tried to subtly talk this chick out of it, she seems pretty bought into future value/collectibility and I don’t think it’s there for that. MAYBE in 50 years…

There is something special about a 5.0 NA with a great six speed in today’s market but it’s way too much cash for a mostly 2012 Mustang GT. GT350 was $50k and had a bespoke very special engine.

Run me through how it’s better than a M2 that’s actually cheaper, or m3?! Both of which imo will be far more collectible.

I think the only modern collectible Stangs are gt350/R and maybe a Mach 1 and gt500 for the pure insanity factor.

Dark horse is far too common/pedestrian/expensive for what it is.

I was pretty blown away it’s less than an M2. I’d 100% get that, at a basic level M cars pretty much always seem to hold more value than Mustangs. I still dig the M2 even though everyone says it’s hideous.

If I was buying in that bracket I think I’d get a manual M3 or Cadillac Blackwing if practicality was needed or a Lotus, Porsche, or Corvette if not. I just don’t see how a Mustang could be in consideration. Hell a manual B58 Supra is like $15k less and arguably more special/interesting?

[CaleDeRoo]

Relative to the conversation

[MexicanYarisTK]

Run me through how it’s better than a M2 that’s actually cheaper, or m3?! Both of which imo will be far more collectible.

I think the only modern collectible Stangs are gt350/R and maybe a Mach 1 and gt500 for the pure insanity factor.

Dark horse is far too common/pedestrian/expensive for what it is.

I was pretty blown away it’s less than an M2. I’d 100% get that, at a basic level M cars pretty much always seem to hold more value than Mustangs. I still dig the M2 even though everyone says it’s hideous.

If I was buying in that bracket I think I’d get a manual M3 or Cadillac Blackwing if practicality was needed or a Lotus, Porsche, or Corvette if not. I just don’t see how a Mustang could be in consideration. Hell a manual B58 Supra is like $15k less and arguably more special/interesting?

The real question is, the dark horse will still use that mt-82 trans thats mustang has been using for the atleast past 10 years or uses what the shelby has? $72k is a lot of money for a car thats known to be the blue collar mans sports car. But i think the transmission from shelby is something that is remotely worth the price tag. But then again, there are better cars to spend that money on.

[coogles]

The real question is, the dark horse will still use that mt-82 trans thats mustang has been using for the atleast past 10 years or uses what the shelby has? $72k is a lot of money for a car thats known to be the blue collar mans sports car. But i think the transmission from shelby is something that is remotely worth the price tag. But then again, there are better cars to spend that money on.

The Dark Horse has the Tremec. In that sense, it is the replacement for the Mach 1 in the lineup. I think both will hold some value better than a standard GT but I certainly wouldn't pick either over a GT350.