DFD

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:45 pm

coogles wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:48 pm Yeah, 100% should have bought one of these or an STi. Bring on the hate.

https://www.diamondmotorworks.com/2005- ... c-4280.htm

Evo 8 fuuuuuck yes
I miss my big ass wing. Showed the STI to Julian today. He liked it. “Dadda’s blue car”

Tar wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:24 pm This is the desirable upgraded Cup spec that Europe got instead of the V6TT, probably represents accurate valuation of a mint spec Ghilbi from that era.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1996-maserati-ghibli/

coogles wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:48 pm Yeah, 100% should have bought one of these or an STi. Bring on the hate.

https://www.diamondmotorworks.com/2005- ... c-4280.htm

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:19 am The Evo is an awesome car. I've always wanted one a little bit. Sorry the GR86 has been such a bad experience for you man... seems like you waited a long time, were rather disappointed with the car, now there are clearly long term reliability concerns.

At least you can get out of it very much unscathed. I'm curious if this siliconegate thing will trash the values a good bit in pretty short order. I can't imagine anyone is going to be paying over MSRP on a car that will blow up for that much longer.

coogles wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:15 am

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:19 am The Evo is an awesome car. I've always wanted one a little bit. Sorry the GR86 has been such a bad experience for you man... seems like you waited a long time, were rather disappointed with the car, now there are clearly long term reliability concerns.

At least you can get out of it very much unscathed. I'm curious if this siliconegate thing will trash the values a good bit in pretty short order. I can't imagine anyone is going to be paying over MSRP on a car that will blow up for that much longer.

They are, although I think I'd tire of the tin can aspect of them.

Re: the 86, it figures, as soon as I start to come around on the driving aspect of it, this shit happens and my sentiment toward the car starts to spiral again. The biggest adjustment, I think, was simply going from a regular car to a true sports car. The coupe doors are longer and a PITA in tight spaces, making ingress and egress difficult in those situations, getting my son in and out of the back is an even bigger PITA, there are simply a lot of compromises going to a car like this (obviously). Then I drove a 2020 STi with an exhaust on it and it was just bliss. Easy to use as a regular car, an actual back seat for the kiddos, and just as much fizz from a driving perspective if not more, given the UEL burbles, the broader and more entertaining powerband, and better steering. The only downside on the street is the seating position, which could be fixed for <$2k with a real Recaro. On track I have no doubt the 86 would be more fun, though. And related to that, the 86 really is pretty great. It's super fun in the right conditions, it looks fantastic, and it's actually a nice daily if you need it for that. I get compliments on it all the time. I simply think it's not the best fit for my life right now.

We'll see what the Honderp says, hopefully they're not paying attention to siliconegate yet. My current is to pop for the 2023 EX-L, buy a now discontinued Cobb downpipe for the STi before they all disappear, and wait for used car prices to correct and pick up the cleanest, lowest mileage STi I can for $40k or less next year.

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:30 am I agree on the tin can thing, the Evo is a literal shitbox. I'd want to drive that daily or on road trips (which is really most of my miles/time).

Your plan seems reasonable enough to me, you seem to have really enjoyed the STi most of anything you've had and it's certainly to be able to include kiddos in your fun car stuff (and allows you to use it a lot more in your case, even if you can only transport two for now). The STi is a pretty sweet car, I've thought seriously of them a lot as well, should've just bought JP's.

I'm debating pulling the ripcord on the BRZ as well... could just wait out used car pricing and see if the market changes at all, maybe I can get something better in a year. I certainly don't mind rocking the BMW longer and given it's a fairly cheap car, there's only so far it can fall.

I just still think it will fall faster than most other stuff I would want.

coogles wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:35 am

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:30 am I agree on the tin can thing, the Evo is a literal shitbox. I'd want to drive that daily or on road trips (which is really most of my miles/time).

Your plan seems reasonable enough to me, you seem to have really enjoyed the STi most of anything you've had and it's certainly to be able to include kiddos in your fun car stuff (and allows you to use it a lot more in your case, even if you can only transport two for now). The STi is a pretty sweet car, I've thought seriously of them a lot as well, should've just bought JP's.

I'm debating pulling the ripcord on the BRZ as well... could just wait out used car pricing and see if the market changes at all, maybe I can get something better in a year. I certainly don't mind rocking the BMW longer and given it's a fairly cheap car, there's only so far it can fall.

I just still think it will fall faster than most other stuff I would want.

Why bail now? Keeping your name on the order doesn't cost you anything, might as well wait it out and see how things shake out.

Re: my 86, if I bail now, hopefully I can capture some of that appreciation & roll it into the Odyssey, and if I ever decide I want one again, I'll just buy another one.

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:37 am Man, I would just about face on any BRZ thing and get something else. Every tear down video has half a tube of caulk in the fucking oil pick up. How is that ok even if you are street driving the car? A used C6GS has a handbuilt LS3 with a forged crank and a dry sump oiling system and goes 185 mph. FFS.

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:14 pm

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:37 am Man, I would just about face on any BRZ thing and get something else. Every tear down video has half a tube of caulk in the fucking oil pick up. How is that ok even if you are street driving the car? A used C6GS has a handbuilt LS3 with a forged crank and a dry sump oiling system and goes 185 mph. FFS.

Yea, and a used C6GS is double the price these days. You get what you pay for?

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:49 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:14 pm
Yea, and a used C6GS is double the price these days. You get what you pay for?

Not for long.

coogles wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:53 pm If only I didn't need/want a back seat. Should probably consider an E90.

Dat single hump.

https://www.responsemotors.com/used-veh ... -4d-c-759/

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:03 pm Is that interior blue?

The wants for an e90 M3 are real.

coogles wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:53 pm If only I didn't need/want a back seat. Should probably consider an E90.

Dat single hump.

https://www.responsemotors.com/used-veh ... -4d-c-759/

coogles wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:15 am

D Griff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:19 am The Evo is an awesome car. I've always wanted one a little bit. Sorry the GR86 has been such a bad experience for you man... seems like you waited a long time, were rather disappointed with the car, now there are clearly long term reliability concerns.

At least you can get out of it very much unscathed. I'm curious if this siliconegate thing will trash the values a good bit in pretty short order. I can't imagine anyone is going to be paying over MSRP on a car that will blow up for that much longer.

They are, although I think I'd tire of the tin can aspect of them.

Re: the 86, it figures, as soon as I start to come around on the driving aspect of it, this shit happens and my sentiment toward the car starts to spiral again. The biggest adjustment, I think, was simply going from a regular car to a true sports car. The coupe doors are longer and a PITA in tight spaces, making ingress and egress difficult in those situations, getting my son in and out of the back is an even bigger PITA, there are simply a lot of compromises going to a car like this (obviously). Then I drove a 2020 STi with an exhaust on it and it was just bliss. Easy to use as a regular car, an actual back seat for the kiddos, and just as much fizz from a driving perspective if not more, given the UEL burbles, the broader and more entertaining powerband, and better steering. The only downside on the street is the seating position, which could be fixed for <$2k with a real Recaro. On track I have no doubt the 86 would be more fun, though. And related to that, the 86 really is pretty great. It's super fun in the right conditions, it looks fantastic, and it's actually a nice daily if you need it for that. I get compliments on it all the time. I simply think it's not the best fit for my life right now.

We'll see what the Honderp says, hopefully they're not paying attention to siliconegate yet. My current is to pop for the 2023 EX-L, buy a now discontinued Cobb downpipe for the STi before they all disappear, and wait for used car prices to correct and pick up the cleanest, lowest mileage STi I can for $40k or less next year.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:47 pm Re: 86 caulkgate… it’s an easy enough fix isn’t it? Drop oil pan, clean, reassemble. I bet Toyota / Subaru come out with some sort of inspection and repair procedure for it. Or probably not very expensive to get a shop to do but then I suppose you run into the same issue with a manually applied bead.

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:50 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:47 pm Re: 86 caulkgate… it’s an easy enough fix isn’t it? Drop oil pan, clean, reassemble. I bet Toyota / Subaru come out with some sort of inspection and repair procedure for it. Or probably not very expensive to get a shop to do but then I suppose you run into the same issue with a manually applied bead.

It's unclear how much RTV will continue to drop into the oil pan. Cleaning it once might just be a temp fix. I'd personally do it before every track day/auto-x, and if it started to become a wasted effort (nothing to clean), then I'd call it good.

If Toyobaru takes steps to address with a TSB or repair procedure.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:51 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:50 pm
It's unclear how much RTV will continue to drop into the oil pan. Cleaning it once might just be a temp fix. I'd personally do it before every track day/auto-x, and if it started to become a wasted effort (nothing to clean), then I'd call it good.

If Toyobaru takes steps to address with a TSB or repair procedure.

Isn’t the oil pan gasket the source of it? I didn’t watch the vids with audio so I have no idea.

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:54 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:51 pm

Isn’t the oil pan gasket the source of it? I didn’t watch the vids with audio so I have no idea.

No clue, it could be coming from anywhere in the engine that uses RTV (everywhere). Everything eventually ends up in the oil pan, so root causing this is almost impossible by anyone outside of the OEM IMO.

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:54 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:51 pm

Isn’t the oil pan gasket the source of it? I didn’t watch the vids with audio so I have no idea.

No clue, it could be coming from anywhere in the engine that uses RTV (everywhere). Everything eventually ends up in the oil pan, so root causing this is almost impossible by anyone outside of the OEM IMO.

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:31 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:54 pm
No clue, it could be coming from anywhere in the engine that uses RTV (everywhere). Everything eventually ends up in the oil pan, so root causing this is almost impossible by anyone outside of the OEM IMO.

One of the videos posted here describes the rtv and interestingly enough Subaru uses different rtvs depending on area. Most of it is the gray shit from
The pan, but some is black from other areas of the engine.

but I mean that’s why there is a screen there and shit happens.

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:56 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:54 pm
No clue, it could be coming from anywhere in the engine that uses RTV (everywhere). Everything eventually ends up in the oil pan, so root causing this is almost impossible by anyone outside of the OEM IMO.

Hah
Dump it

Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:00 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:31 pm
One of the videos posted here describes the rtv and interestingly enough Subaru uses different rtvs depending on area. Most of it is the gray shit from
The pan, but some is black from other areas of the engine.

but I mean that’s why there is a screen there and shit happens.

Until it gets clogged and the engine which is what happened in the first case.

I don't think the screen was put there to stop sealant from getting sucked up into the engine.