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Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:10 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:06 pm

Oil change interval beliefs ARE religion

I just change the oil when the vehicle tells me to.

Well there is a "lease" guy that chimed in and stated that it is stupid to change the oil because you don't own it.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:12 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:10 pm


I just change the oil when the vehicle tells me to.

Well there is a "lease" guy that chimed in and stated that it is stupid to change the oil because you don't own it.

HE sounds like a wonderful person...

D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:14 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:12 pm

Well there is a "lease" guy that chimed in and stated that it is stupid to change the oil because you don't own it.

HE sounds like a wonderful person...

CPO baby.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:12 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:10 pm


I just change the oil when the vehicle tells me to.

Well there is a "lease" guy that chimed in and stated that it is stupid to change the oil because you don't own it.

Unfortunately, that's the general consensus among "owners" I suspect. I imagine there's a shocking number of lease vehicles that never get their oil changed.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:15 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:14 pm

HE sounds like a wonderful person...

CPO baby.

"Rigorous" multipoint inspection

D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:06 pm

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:59 am

Starting an oil change interval thread is more incendiary than a QAnon thread. Why I have no idea, it seems that someone disagreeing with your "oil change philosophy" is far more egregious than any political or religious differences.

Oil change interval beliefs ARE religion

All that Blackstone stuff is TMI. Yes, you should do an early oil change. If BMW makes you do it on MCar glass engines, why would you not do it on the lowly B58? Is there an engine that DOESN'T toss a few metal shavings and various goo when breaking in? Then its fully synthetic and factory filters every 5K miles or 1 year. If she blows up, she blows up. Why would I pay Blackstone 30 bucks to tell me ZOMG you can go 7000 miles! I can see where it is helpful to have a lab test done to tell you to SELL a car before it melts down, but otherwise these tests seem like another thing to complicate my life.

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:17 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:06 pm

Oil change interval beliefs ARE religion

All that Blackstone stuff is TMI. Yes, you should do an early oil change. If BMW makes you do it on MCar glass engines, why would you not do it on the lowly B58? Is there an engine that DOESN'T toss a few metal shavings and various goo when breaking in? Then its fully synthetic and factory filters every 5K miles or 1 year. If she blows up, she blows up. Why would I pay Blackstone 30 bucks to tell me ZOMG you can go 7000 miles! I can see where it is helpful to have a lab test done to tell you to SELL a car before it melts down, but otherwise these tests seem like another thing to complicate my life.

Why? Because I was going every 5k on the crown vic because the factory calls for 3000 during extreme and 5000 during normal conditions on the crown vic. I ran the oil 10-15k and it was fine based on blackstone. It helped me save a bunch of time over the course of 405k miles and 62 oil changes (a lot were 3-5k initially).

BMW claimed 15k was FINE before on the E gen and it was hugely debunked through blackstone. And tons of engine issues were had on 50-100k mile BMWs from the 2000s due to that retarded policy of free maintenance.

Guess what ? Toyota called for 1k oil change on the gen 1, and then 3750. Then 5k for gen 2, and 10k for gen 3 now that maintenance is free.

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:17 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:06 pm

Oil change interval beliefs ARE religion

All that Blackstone stuff is TMI. Yes, you should do an early oil change. If BMW makes you do it on MCar glass engines, why would you not do it on the lowly B58? Is there an engine that DOESN'T toss a few metal shavings and various goo when breaking in? Then its fully synthetic and factory filters every 5K miles or 1 year. If she blows up, she blows up. Why would I pay Blackstone 30 bucks to tell me ZOMG you can go 7000 miles! I can see where it is helpful to have a lab test done to tell you to SELL a car before it melts down, but otherwise these tests seem like another thing to complicate my life.

I've never done one personally, I am not really passionate about OCIs like that and probably "under maintain" my vehicles by many forumbro's standards. That said, if someone shares Blackstone results on a car I own, I am reading them and appreciating the share. It could even sway my thought process on OCI.

On the Beep Beep for example, I just when the car's counter gets down to 20-25% (which is about 8K miles ). If someone showed me some conclusive data that this is too long between changes, I would consider doing it sooner. My wife is actually more of an OCI nazi than me, but I think this is because her dad makes his living on fleecing people on 3K oil changes; he owns a tire/lube/repair place in their little town.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:22 pm

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:17 pm

All that Blackstone stuff is TMI. Yes, you should do an early oil change. If BMW makes you do it on MCar glass engines, why would you not do it on the lowly B58? Is there an engine that DOESN'T toss a few metal shavings and various goo when breaking in? Then its fully synthetic and factory filters every 5K miles or 1 year. If she blows up, she blows up. Why would I pay Blackstone 30 bucks to tell me ZOMG you can go 7000 miles! I can see where it is helpful to have a lab test done to tell you to SELL a car before it melts down, but otherwise these tests seem like another thing to complicate my life.

Why? Because I was going every 5k on the crown vic because the factory calls for 3000 during extreme and 5000 during normal conditions on the crown vic. I ran the oil 10-15k and it was fine based on blackstone. It helped me save a bunch of time over the course of 405k miles and 62 oil changes (a lot were 3-5k initially).

Makes sense I just never put that many miles on my cars (running up against the annual, not the mileage) and that goes triple during the VID. I get it for a high mileage commuter.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:22 pm

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:17 pm

All that Blackstone stuff is TMI. Yes, you should do an early oil change. If BMW makes you do it on MCar glass engines, why would you not do it on the lowly B58? Is there an engine that DOESN'T toss a few metal shavings and various goo when breaking in? Then its fully synthetic and factory filters every 5K miles or 1 year. If she blows up, she blows up. Why would I pay Blackstone 30 bucks to tell me ZOMG you can go 7000 miles! I can see where it is helpful to have a lab test done to tell you to SELL a car before it melts down, but otherwise these tests seem like another thing to complicate my life.

Why? Because I was going every 5k on the crown vic because the factory calls for 3000 during extreme and 5000 during normal conditions on the crown vic. I ran the oil 10-15k and it was fine based on blackstone. It helped me save a bunch of time over the course of 405k miles and 62 oil changes (a lot were 3-5k initially).

BMW claimed 15k was FINE before on the E gen and it was hugely debunked through blackstone. And tons of engine issues were had on 50-100k mile BMWs from the 2000s due to that retarded policy of free maintenance.

Guess what ? Toyota called for 1k oil change on the gen 1, and then 3750. Then 5k for gen 2, and 10k for gen 3 now that maintenance is free.

Those earlier MINIs called for like 15-20K OCI and I would opine that much of the unreliability with their engines is due to that.

In Eric's case he is predisposed to change oil far more than the factory calls for, so it seems like a waste of time/money to use the 'stone.

D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:27 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:22 pm

Why? Because I was going every 5k on the crown vic because the factory calls for 3000 during extreme and 5000 during normal conditions on the crown vic. I ran the oil 10-15k and it was fine based on blackstone. It helped me save a bunch of time over the course of 405k miles and 62 oil changes (a lot were 3-5k initially).

BMW claimed 15k was FINE before on the E gen and it was hugely debunked through blackstone. And tons of engine issues were had on 50-100k mile BMWs from the 2000s due to that retarded policy of free maintenance.

Guess what ? Toyota called for 1k oil change on the gen 1, and then 3750. Then 5k for gen 2, and 10k for gen 3 now that maintenance is free.

Those earlier MINIs called for like 15-20K OCI and I would opine that much of the unreliability with their engines is due to that.

In Eric's case he is predisposed to change oil far more than the factory calls for, so it seems like a waste of time/money to use the 'stone.

But is it right to fill up at 1/2 a tank ?

My wife was semi panicking on our cross country trip as the neared 20% to the next oil change. We got home and it was at 17% and then changed it

I'm sure the Italian POS motor will run to 200k no problem. I wouldn't be surprised if the Beep Beep winds up being our future 's first car.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:28 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:27 pm

Those earlier MINIs called for like 15-20K OCI and I would opine that much of the unreliability with their engines is due to that.

In Eric's case he is predisposed to change oil far more than the factory calls for, so it seems like a waste of time/money to use the 'stone.

But is it right to fill up at 1/2 a tank ?

Dude, I am on your side on that one, no, it is not.

But here we are turning into Taco Cuck OCI/Fuel interval religion psychopaths.

D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:29 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:28 pm

But is it right to fill up at 1/2 a tank ?

Dude, I am on your side on that one, no, it is not.

But here we are turning into Taco Cuck OCI/Fuel interval religion psychopaths.

Nah. We're just discussing the insanity of that forum, I threw some on the convo based on our internal fallacies.

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:02 pm

SAWCE wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:58 am

I’ll snag an HDMI cable and check it out. Speakers and TV are along the same wall, so should work well.

Yea, it's totally worth it then IMO. The easiest way to connect might be an optical cable from the TV to the receiver, then you don't have to touch anything else unless your TV has an HDMI out.

Yeah TV has HDMI out, so that’s an easy solution.

D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:28 pm My wife was semi panicking on our cross country trip as the neared 20% to the next oil change. We got home and it was at 17% and then changed it

I'm sure the Italian POS motor will run to 200k no problem. I wouldn't be surprised if the Beep Beep winds up being our future 's first car.

I'm :impressed: she knows where to find the %

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:28 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:27 pm

Those earlier MINIs called for like 15-20K OCI and I would opine that much of the unreliability with their engines is due to that.

In Eric's case he is predisposed to change oil far more than the factory calls for, so it seems like a waste of time/money to use the 'stone.

But is it right to fill up at 1/2 a tank ?

(Walt Kowalski voice) It doesn't cost any more to run on the top 1/2 of the tank.

SAWCE wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:32 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:02 pm
Yea, it's totally worth it then IMO. The easiest way to connect might be an optical cable from the TV to the receiver, then you don't have to touch anything else unless your TV has an HDMI out.

Yeah TV has HDMI out, so that’s an easy solution.

Perfect!

D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:27 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:22 pm

Why? Because I was going every 5k on the crown vic because the factory calls for 3000 during extreme and 5000 during normal conditions on the crown vic. I ran the oil 10-15k and it was fine based on blackstone. It helped me save a bunch of time over the course of 405k miles and 62 oil changes (a lot were 3-5k initially).

BMW claimed 15k was FINE before on the E gen and it was hugely debunked through blackstone. And tons of engine issues were had on 50-100k mile BMWs from the 2000s due to that retarded policy of free maintenance.

Guess what ? Toyota called for 1k oil change on the gen 1, and then 3750. Then 5k for gen 2, and 10k for gen 3 now that maintenance is free.

Those earlier MINIs called for like 15-20K OCI and I would opine that much of the unreliability with their engines is due to that.

In Eric's case he is predisposed to change oil far more than the factory calls for, so it seems like a waste of time/money to use the 'stone.

Also, I ENJOY changing oil. I am mechanically inclined but not in the extreme like the Hound, and it is a simple task but still has to be done correctly. I also have a nice setup to do it in, never freezing weather, QuickJack, sportsball on the garage flatscreen, morning coffee etc. If I lived in an apartment in Scranton, PA, I might be hitting the Blackstone a little harder.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:22 pm

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:17 pm

All that Blackstone stuff is TMI. Yes, you should do an early oil change. If BMW makes you do it on MCar glass engines, why would you not do it on the lowly B58? Is there an engine that DOESN'T toss a few metal shavings and various goo when breaking in? Then its fully synthetic and factory filters every 5K miles or 1 year. If she blows up, she blows up. Why would I pay Blackstone 30 bucks to tell me ZOMG you can go 7000 miles! I can see where it is helpful to have a lab test done to tell you to SELL a car before it melts down, but otherwise these tests seem like another thing to complicate my life.

Why? Because I was going every 5k on the crown vic because the factory calls for 3000 during extreme and 5000 during normal conditions on the crown vic. I ran the oil 10-15k and it was fine based on blackstone. It helped me save a bunch of time over the course of 405k miles and 62 oil changes (a lot were 3-5k initially).

BMW claimed 15k was FINE before on the E gen and it was hugely debunked through blackstone. And tons of engine issues were had on 50-100k mile BMWs from the 2000s due to that retarded policy of free maintenance.

Guess what ? Toyota called for 1k oil change on the gen 1, and then 3750. Then 5k for gen 2, and 10k for gen 3 now that maintenance is free.

Getting into some shit, but I do wonder if you plotted suggested OTI with offering of "Free maintenance". I bet the longer OCI directly follows increased free maintenance. My theory is by pushing it out, people don't end up using all their free ones so the company saves some money.

The things will make it through the warranty period no problem, and that's all they care about.

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:41 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:22 pm

Why? Because I was going every 5k on the crown vic because the factory calls for 3000 during extreme and 5000 during normal conditions on the crown vic. I ran the oil 10-15k and it was fine based on blackstone. It helped me save a bunch of time over the course of 405k miles and 62 oil changes (a lot were 3-5k initially).

BMW claimed 15k was FINE before on the E gen and it was hugely debunked through blackstone. And tons of engine issues were had on 50-100k mile BMWs from the 2000s due to that retarded policy of free maintenance.

Guess what ? Toyota called for 1k oil change on the gen 1, and then 3750. Then 5k for gen 2, and 10k for gen 3 now that maintenance is free.

Getting into some shit, but I do wonder if you plotted suggested OTI with offering of "Free maintenance". I bet the longer OCI directly follows increased free maintenance. My theory is by pushing it out, people don't end up using all their free ones so the company saves some money.

The things will make it through the warranty period no problem, and that's all they care about.

I mean this has been beyond confirmed:
BMW No free maintenance 5000 miles post 15000
VW Pre free maintenance 5000 post 10000
Toyota 5000 post 10000
Mini 5000 pre 15000/10000 post

Nothing about the engines changed, and most oil compositions stayed similar/same. Certainly not different enough, I.E 50-100% increase in oil capacity and additional filtration etc.

This is also coinciding with another different factoid... It seems like cars from the 90s and early 00s are the most reliable ones on record (MB/LR exlcuded). Anything more recent has had far more complexity added as well as oil change intervals far prolonged.

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:48 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:41 pm
Getting into some shit, but I do wonder if you plotted suggested OTI with offering of "Free maintenance". I bet the longer OCI directly follows increased free maintenance. My theory is by pushing it out, people don't end up using all their free ones so the company saves some money.

The things will make it through the warranty period no problem, and that's all they care about.

I mean this has been beyond confirmed:
BMW No free maintenance 5000 miles post 15000
VW Pre free maintenance 5000 post 10000
Toyota 5000 post 10000
Mini 5000 pre 15000/10000 post

Nothing about the engines changed, and most oil compositions stayed similar/same. Certainly not different enough, I.E 50-100% increase in oil capacity and additional filtration etc.

This is also coinciding with another different factoid... It seems like cars from the 90s and early 00s are the most reliable ones on record (MB/LR exlcuded). Anything more recent has had far more complexity added as well as oil change intervals far prolonged.

Hard to connect reliability because engines in the 80-early-00's were kind of the sweet spot for reliability. Enough experience building engines to know what it takes to make them run forever, plus computer controls advanced enough to monitor things like knock and control timing, monitor oil life but without the complexity of DI, fancy emissions system, and tons of boost. Engines these days are going to be throw away units, and like you mentioned I think we peaked with engine reliability past 100k miles overall. Engines are still engineered to go past 200k miles, but there's just so many variables for that, I think it's going to take a lot more to make an engine go 200k than before.

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:39 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:27 pm

Those earlier MINIs called for like 15-20K OCI and I would opine that much of the unreliability with their engines is due to that.

In Eric's case he is predisposed to change oil far more than the factory calls for, so it seems like a waste of time/money to use the 'stone.

Also, I ENJOY changing oil. I am mechanically inclined but not in the extreme like the Hound, and it is a simple task but still has to be done correctly. I also have a nice setup to do it in, never freezing weather, QuickJack, sportsball on the garage flatscreen, morning coffee etc. If I lived in an apartment in Scranton, PA, I might be hitting the Blackstone a little harder.

My setup is somewhere in between those two but I have to say, the "free" oil changes on the are a big pain in my ass and not worth it. Changing at home is far preferable IMO. It takes less time and there's no worry of some idiot fucking it up. The Jeep place also tried to sell my wife on some items last time she took it for the free oil change... so that easily becomes a $200 oil change had she taken the bait.

They keep requesting me completing some service rape palace survey since then and I refuse to give them their top marks when they tried to take advantage of my spouse.

Desertbreh wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:33 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:28 pm

But is it right to fill up at 1/2 a tank ?

(Walt Kowalski voice) It doesn't cost any more to run on the top 1/2 of the tank.

I've been filling up at half more recently because we tend to go places long distances without gas stations, so I like to be safe just in case.

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:55 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:48 pm

I mean this has been beyond confirmed:
BMW No free maintenance 5000 miles post 15000
VW Pre free maintenance 5000 post 10000
Toyota 5000 post 10000
Mini 5000 pre 15000/10000 post

Nothing about the engines changed, and most oil compositions stayed similar/same. Certainly not different enough, I.E 50-100% increase in oil capacity and additional filtration etc.

This is also coinciding with another different factoid... It seems like cars from the 90s and early 00s are the most reliable ones on record (MB/LR exlcuded). Anything more recent has had far more complexity added as well as oil change intervals far prolonged.

Hard to connect reliability because engines in the 80-early-00's were kind of the sweet spot for reliability. Enough experience building engines to know what it takes to make them run forever, plus computer controls advanced enough to monitor things like knock and control timing, monitor oil life but without the complexity of DI, fancy emissions system, and tons of boost. Engines these days are going to be throw away units, and like you mentioned I think we peaked with engine reliability past 100k miles overall. Engines are still engineered to go past 200k miles, but there's just so many variables for that, I think it's going to take a lot more to make an engine go 200k than before.

I mean... I don't think I know a single person outside of racing/track day shit who has ever blown an engine. It seems like they are pretty darn robust in the modern era. Transmissions on the other hand, still seem to shit the bed often enough.