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troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:01 pm That thing is hideous. (ID3)

coogles wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:21 am The digi-dash is fucking gross. And cheap-looking.

What has more visual interest, a Rolex or an Apple watch? The Rolex has the same qualities now as it will 100 years from now, but that Apple watch could be programmed by Apple, by Google, by fucking Fisher-Price and no one would know the difference looking at it on someone else's wrist, and a year from now there will be a new one out and everyone will be ready to ditch last year's model. Every car is designed in a wind tunnel to look exactly the same, every new car has screens everywhere and are starting to look exactly the same. You can't even build quality into button feel anymore with capacitive bullshit everywhere. I might as well ride around in a golf cart with an iPad my face, it'd be the same experience.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:01 pm That thing is hideous. (ID3)

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:04 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:01 pm That thing is hideous. (ID3)

I agree with TK, the Honda thing is way cooler/better looking... I don't think it's coming to the USA though.

razr390 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:05 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:01 pm That thing is hideous. (ID3)

The ID4 is the better one. Looks like an actual CUV.

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:13 pm ID3 and ID4 are both hideous to me, because they look exactly like every CUV hatchback out there.

ID3 is better looking to me actually but these cars are not about style. You want style you get a Porsche or Aston Martin. These are peasant vehicles for puking children.

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:13 pm ID3 and ID4 are both hideous to me, because they look exactly like every CUV hatchback out there.

ID3 is better looking to me actually but these cars are not about style. You want style you get a Porsche or Aston Martin. These are peasant vehicles for puking children.

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:26 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:13 pm ID3 and ID4 are both hideous to me, because they look exactly like every CUV hatchback out there.

ID3 is better looking to me actually but these cars are not about style. You want style you get a Porsche or Aston Martin. These are peasant vehicles for puking children.

I feel like regular people shouldn't have to drive hideous cars. Sure, a GTI has never been an Aston, but in the past they at least have always looked clean and somewhat elegant, never

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:17 pm ID3 looks like an uglier Citroen C3, which is already ugly.

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:29 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:26 pm

I feel like regular people shouldn't have to drive hideous cars. Sure, a GTI has never been an Aston, but in the past they at least have always looked clean and somewhat elegant, never

There's just not much of a choice.

People want an upright/high seating position, in a vehicle that has the utility of an SUV but gets solid driving range and efficiency. Pretty much stuck with that one jellybean shape.

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:01 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:29 pm
There's just not much of a choice.

People want an upright/high seating position, in a vehicle that has the utility of an SUV but gets solid driving range and efficiency. Pretty much stuck with that one jellybean shape.

but it doesn't have to be that way. Things like the 86, Mustang, , Corvette, Challenger, Mazda3, even Corolla hatch look cool. If you're willing to give up a bit of practicality, it doesn't have to be

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:16 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:01 pm

but it doesn't have to be that way. Things like the 86, Mustang, , Corvette, Challenger, Mazda3, even Corolla hatch look cool. If you're willing to give up a bit of practicality, it doesn't have to be

You can always have a new Tesla roadster for 250k

Rivian is starting to make decent looking stuff too...
Lucid apparently finished their fucktory

Electric cars are just getting started. First gasoline cars were carriages with a motor ... it will evolve over time.

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:37 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:16 pm

You can always have a new Tesla roadster for 250k

Rivian is starting to make decent looking stuff too...
Lucid apparently finished their fucktory

Electric cars are just getting started. First gasoline cars were carriages with a motor ... it will evolve over time.

I'm not 100% opted in yet...

Do we have enough raw materials for batteries to replace the huge volume of ICE vehicles?

Will those materials still be affordable if demand goes up 20X?

Is electric really better for the planet? (this really depends on where you live)

I have zero interest in electric so far, we shall see what comes in the future, but I will likely be sticking with old shit as long as I can as I just like it better.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:40 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:37 pm

I'm not 100% opted in yet...

Do we have enough raw materials for batteries to replace the huge volume of ICE vehicles?

Will those materials still be affordable if demand goes up 20X?

Is electric really better for the planet? (this really depends on where you live)

I have zero interest in electric so far, we shall see what comes in the future, but I will likely be sticking with old shit as long as I can as I just like it better.

I'd still rather have a sporty hybrid. A small battery and small motor is plenty to make a car both more efficient and faster without adding a ton of weight/size if done right. See: Rav4 hybrid vs standard, the hybrid is better in every way.

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:03 pm

coogles wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:21 am The digi-dash is fucking gross. And cheap-looking.

What has more visual interest, a Rolex or an Apple watch? The Rolex has the same qualities now as it will 100 years from now, but that Apple watch could be programmed by Apple, by Google, by fucking Fisher-Price and no one would know the difference looking at it on someone else's wrist, and a year from now there will be a new one out and everyone will be ready to ditch last year's model. Every car is designed in a wind tunnel to look exactly the same, every new car has screens everywhere and are starting to look exactly the same. You can't even build quality into button feel anymore with capacitive bullshit everywhere. I might as well ride around in a golf cart with an iPad my face, it'd be the same experience.

I always love your feedback on digital/touch screen shit in cars. I am in total agreeance.

I the gayges and controls in my shitty ass C5, TBH, even if the rest of the interior is still

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:37 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:16 pm

You can always have a new Tesla roadster for 250k

Rivian is starting to make decent looking stuff too...
Lucid apparently finished their fucktory

Electric cars are just getting started. First gasoline cars were carriages with a motor ... it will evolve over time.

I'm not 100% opted in yet...

Do we have enough raw materials for batteries to replace the huge volume of ICE vehicles?

Will those materials still be affordable if demand goes up 20X?

Is electric really better for the planet? (this really depends on where you live)

I have zero interest in electric so far, we shall see what comes in the future, but I will likely be sticking with old shit as long as I can as I just like it better.

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:57 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:40 pm

I'd still rather have a sporty hybrid. A small battery and small motor is plenty to make a car both more efficient and faster without adding a ton of weight/size if done right. See: Rav4 hybrid vs standard, the hybrid is better in every way.

The CR-Z was a idea, too bad it didn't sell. It would be pretty sweet to see the Rav4 power train applied with a to something like a Corolla hatch for a little rally fun hot hatch thing. Problem is, all of us would be too to buy it.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:49 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:57 pm

The CR-Z was a idea, too bad it didn't sell. It would be pretty sweet to see the Rav4 power train applied with a to something like a Corolla hatch for a little rally fun hot hatch thing. Problem is, all of us would be too to buy it.

I'm OK with it being automatic at this point for something that's otherwise interesting, useful, fun, and affordable. I'm less OK with everything being a god damn SUV. I do not want to sit up high on what is effectively a bench seat.

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:31 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:49 pm

I'm OK with it being automatic at this point for something that's otherwise interesting, useful, fun, and affordable. I'm less OK with everything being a god damn SUV. I do not want to sit up high on what is effectively a bench seat.

Why not ? Sometimes driving a couch is nice AF

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:54 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:31 pm

Why not ? Sometimes driving a couch is nice AF

I find it nothing but stressful to be in a giant unresponsive barge that flops my ass to and fro when I turn the wheel and I have no need to lord myself over everyone else on the road. Parking is a huge pain too.

max225 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:08 pm

troyguitar wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:54 pm

I find it nothing but stressful to be in a giant unresponsive barge that flops my ass to and fro when I turn the wheel and I have no need to lord myself over everyone else on the road. Parking is a huge pain too.

As long as you’re under 80” and 240” it’s perfectly fine. Turning the wheel ? Life isn’t a race track most roads are straight af, you encounter what ? .2 Gs tops by adhering to speed limits? Not saying it’s FUN, but we share the road with garbage trucks, vehicles with trailers semis, rvs etc.

I think you’d be surprised how relaxing it is to drive a barge down the street vs something anus shattering that splits a wheel by hitting an ant. I’d seriously like to understand what is stressful about driving a large comfortable vehicle. (In most environments outside of NYC and SF)