Car Talk 6: Best of times and Worst of Times

[max225]

Was it the Raptor ? I hate how it looks with the giant fugly wheel arches

Maybe? The wheel arches had these like 6” wide flat plastic… I dunno what to call them, flares? that stuck out perpendicular to the body and just looked cheap as hell.

That’s the one … 80k + 50k markup for a lucky cuck cuz rare and zomg

[CaleDeRoo]

I don't know if they're delivering Bronco Raptors yet?

Even the sasquatch has huge wide flat flares.

[Johnny_P]

Maybe? The wheel arches had these like 6” wide flat plastic… I dunno what to call them, flares? that stuck out perpendicular to the body and just looked cheap as hell.

That’s the one … 80k + 50k markup for a lucky cuck cuz rare and zomg

LOL

[Johnny_P]

I don't know if they're delivering Bronco Raptors yet?

Even the sasquatch has huge wide flat flares.

Maybe it was this? It was maroon.

[CaleDeRoo]

I don't know if they're delivering Bronco Raptors yet?

Even the sasquatch has huge wide flat flares.

Maybe it was this? It was maroon.

The Bronco Everglades has the same style flares but flat on the top too.





Or if have the vehicle was black plastic it was the raptor like Max said

[D Griff]

Worst ever industry IQS from JD Power. Can't say I'm surprised, but it's really disappointing that vehicles cost more than they ever have, they're harder to get than ever, AND they're crappier than ever.

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/06/28/bui ... ity-study/

The Cucktrek we bought last year didn't have issues, neither did the 4R. Vehicles further along in their lifecycle are probably the better ones to buy right now.

This is really odd.. happened to Porsche ?! Only thing I can think of is the Taycan dragging them down ….

Dodge better than Lexus?! then again … I never thought fca vehicles were as bad as their rep.

We now have like 33k on the JLU. The infotainment crashed one time that I know of (power cycling the car fixed this) and it has otherwise been 100% flawless. It really was a great purchase, still lifetime fuel economy at over 20 mpg and worth more than we paid for it new per Carvana. I personally would have no issue purchasing more Stellanus but they don’t make much else I have interest in.

I am glad we have a Wrangler and not a Bronco also. Agreed that the Bronco proportions are just a little too weird/huge/Hotwheels-esque.

[D Griff]

I also agree with Eric on the WRX. It seems like an ok vehicle but it’s sort of just a phoned in final effort to fool a few last vape bros into buying Subaru before they go full dog hair love box.

I can’t possibly imagine buying one over say an Si which is likely as much/more fun, +70% fuel economy, nicer looking inside/out, and $5k less.

[D Griff]

I think I’m starting to wear down on the GR86 thing. Are they still impossible to get for the time?

[max225]

I think I’m starting to wear down on the GR86 thing. Are they still impossible to get for the time?

I mean 2 people here got one at sticker. Do work son

[coogles]

I think I’m starting to wear down on the GR86 thing. Are they still impossible to get for the time?

I mean 2 people here got one at sticker. Do work son

I waited about 5 months for mine, but yeah, call around. If you want it tomorrow, it'll cost ya. If you're willing to wait they can be had.

[D Griff]

I mean 2 people here got one at sticker. Do work son

I waited about 5 months for mine, but yeah, call around. If you want it tomorrow, it'll cost ya. If you're willing to wait they can be had.

Waiting would be I’ll probably contact the local options this week and see what’s possible.

[D Griff]

Well the local here allegedly has some unspoken for allocations.

I'm waiting on the guy to call me back to get some details. Carvana is currently offering $19.6K for the Beemah. Not great, not terrible. I wonder if C&B would be better.

[max225]

Well the local here allegedly has some unspoken for allocations.

I'm waiting on the guy to call me back to get some details. Carvana is currently offering $19.6K for the Beemah. Not great, not terrible. I wonder if C&B would be better.

20k seems excellent for a 8 year old bmw

What’s the mileage again ?

[D Griff]

Well the local here allegedly has some unspoken for allocations.

I'm waiting on the guy to call me back to get some details. Carvana is currently offering $19.6K for the Beemah. Not great, not terrible. I wonder if C&B would be better.

20k seems excellent for a 8 year old bmw

What’s the mileage again ?

I mean, it's great compared to what they would historically be worth, but down a bit from a few months ago. 48K miles on it. It may be high enough that I'd just take it and run, we shall see. Maybe I'll just again.

[max225]

20k seems excellent for a 8 year old bmw

What’s the mileage again ?

I mean, it's great compared to what they would historically be worth, but down a bit from a few months ago. 48K miles on it. It may be high enough that I'd just take it and run, we shall see. Maybe I'll just again.

I would say now is the time to sell anything used. It won't be going anywhere but down. If you like the 86, 20k seems like a great for your car. Take it and run IMO.

[D Griff]

Well, they hyped me up and then brought me back down.

They have a blue auto coming in... they also charge $5K markup on every 86 non negotiable.

I will try calling the other 'yota in the area tomorrow and see if anything is different elsewhere. They said I could put down a deposit and submit a preference and I may be able to get one in a couple of months but it may not be the color I want or whatever.

I'm not paying $5K over MSRP , so if all of them are on the same page, then I will carry on living in poverty with the Beemah.

[coogles]

Well, they hyped me up and then brought me back down.

They have a blue auto coming in... they also charge $5K markup on every 86 non negotiable.

I will try calling the other 'yota in the area tomorrow and see if anything is different elsewhere. They said I could put down a deposit and submit a preference and I may be able to get one in a couple of months but it may not be the color I want or whatever.

I'm not paying $5K over MSRP , so if all of them are on the same page, then I will carry on living in poverty with the Beemah.

This does not surprise me, unfortunately. There are some dealer groups around here who have mentioned to me that they have an across the board "no ADM" policy. Where I got mine was one of those places, but most are not like that. If you wanna make a trip to Indiana I can put you in touch with my guy. I can get you in touch with my sales bro at a dealership here in Indy that will sell you a BRZ under MSRP. Last I talked to Alex they were like 7-8 months out on the '23s, so you're looking at March or so now.

Also, refreshed the Carvana offer and got this today. Shit's crazy.

[max225]

Well, they hyped me up and then brought me back down.

They have a blue auto coming in... they also charge $5K markup on every 86 non negotiable.

I will try calling the other 'yota in the area tomorrow and see if anything is different elsewhere. They said I could put down a deposit and submit a preference and I may be able to get one in a couple of months but it may not be the color I want or whatever.

I'm not paying $5K over MSRP , so if all of them are on the same page, then I will carry on living in poverty with the Beemah.

Sounds shady …

[coogles]

Well, they hyped me up and then brought me back down.

They have a blue auto coming in... they also charge $5K markup on every 86 non negotiable.

I will try calling the other 'yota in the area tomorrow and see if anything is different elsewhere. They said I could put down a deposit and submit a preference and I may be able to get one in a couple of months but it may not be the color I want or whatever.

I'm not paying $5K over MSRP , so if all of them are on the same page, then I will carry on living in poverty with the Beemah.

Sounds shady …

Toyota doesn't built to orders, they build what the fuck they want and you can get in line and take it or leave it. Hence the "it may not be the color you want" comment. I couldn't even pick my aftermarket accessories, the car came loaded with $800 worth of bullshit I had no interest in, but that stuff gets put on before it leaves the factory and you'll pay for it with a smile or someone else will.

[D Griff]

Sounds shady …

Toyota doesn't built to orders, they build what the fuck they want and you can get in line and take it or leave it. Hence the "it may not be the color you want" comment. I couldn't even pick my aftermarket accessories, the car came loaded with $800 worth of bullshit I had no interest in, but that stuff gets put on before it leaves the factory and you'll pay for it with a smile or someone else will.

I can handle spending three figures on mats, phone charging cables, etc. but I'm not giving $5K. The guy was pretty much like 'we could make it $10K if we wanted and it would make no difference, non negotiable'. I got off the phone pretty quickly after that. I should've probably told them in more certainty I'd never buy under those circumstances to at least give them that data point, but whatever.

[D Griff]

I mean, it's great compared to what they would historically be worth, but down a bit from a few months ago. 48K miles on it. It may be high enough that I'd just take it and run, we shall see. Maybe I'll just again.

I would say now is the time to sell anything used. It won't be going anywhere but down. If you like the 86, 20k seems like a great for your car. Take it and run IMO.

I agree. if I really want to go four months or more with one vehicle

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Toyota doesn't built to orders, they build what the fuck they want and you can get in line and take it or leave it. Hence the "it may not be the color you want" comment. I couldn't even pick my aftermarket accessories, the car came loaded with $800 worth of bullshit I had no interest in, but that stuff gets put on before it leaves the factory and you'll pay for it with a smile or someone else will.

I can handle spending three figures on mats, phone charging cables, etc. but I'm not giving $5K. The guy was pretty much like 'we could make it $10K if we wanted and it would make no difference, non negotiable'. I got off the phone pretty quickly after that. I should've probably told them in more certainty I'd never buy under those circumstances to at least give them that data point, but whatever.

My dealer doesn't charge markups, but they admitted that they load the vehicles up with port installed stuff to make more money. My truck got some dumb shit like $75 door edge guards, a $100 USB Port and cables, floor mats, roof rack cross rails. None of which I particularly wanted, but at least the deal was MSRP, and I got at least a little something for the additional money. Markups is just lighting money on fire and a for me.

[MexicanYarisTK]

I think I’m starting to wear down on the GR86 thing. Are they still impossible to get for the time?

If you don't mind getting it from closer to my neck of the woods contact Sheehy Subaru in Hagerstown, MD. Call for Max, and tell him I sent you.

[max225]

I think I’m starting to wear down on the GR86 thing. Are they still impossible to get for the time?

If you don't mind getting it from closer to my neck of the woods contact Sheehy Subaru in Hagerstown, MD. Call for Max, and tell him I sent you.

[Tar]

New water pump being installed at the today, my wife's T-Reg finally puked it up. Parts are about $500 including a new serpentine belt and fluids, and the labor costs another 420 deneros. Overall a not bad price for that service, and a lot cheaper then the 2.0T motors. VW water-pumps are a joke

The truck is holding up fairly well otherwise, and I'll be shopping for new summer tires. Still not sure if I should buy the cheapest quality minivan tars or do something off-roady. It really won't ever go off the road
I like what Toyota put on Max's Taco, anyone remember the brand/name?