OT 19: Masks On, Clothes Off, Right Hand Left Titty

[troyguitar]

In order for owners to actually be held liable, though, the guns need to be registered... therefore why bother with insurance when there's effectively no liability?

I have no conceptual issue with registration either. My idea would be:

1) take class to be able to buy gun
2) pass background check
3) pass reference check
4) get approval to buy from law enforcement
5) buy insurance
6) go select your gun (no semi-automatic weapons) and present evidence of insurance
7) enter waiting period, during waiting period gun goes to ATF for registration and test firing - serial number and ballistics tests done, recorded, and made entered into database. Database results only available with a warrant.
8) notification from law enforcement that waiting period has ended and you're ready to proceed
9) pass a comprehensive safety and skills class with YOUR gun, which is still held by law enforcement
10) pick up weapon from local law enforcement for keeps

YOU as the purchaser responsible for all the associated costs

[Desertbreh]

There is a country that does it this way, but I can't remember which. I think it's japan? I can't take credit fully for this.

California.

[max225]

There is a country that does it this way, but I can't remember which. I think it's japan? I can't take credit fully for this.

California.

And our suicide and gun related crimes are essentially at 0 levels now.

[SAWCE]

Agreed, but ultimately and unfortunately there is no way of enforcing this

Then there is no way to enforce guns either.

People (generally) aren’t making their own guns from complete scratch like they are children, so that’s a very apple to oranges comparison IMO.

[Desertbreh]

California.

I know it doesn't seem like it, but these ideas are far more restrictive.

This actually points to a massive issue we have. The lack of a national structure greatly undermines the capabilities of any specific localities.

As a gun owner I don't see why anyone would opposed these steps in good faith. Yeah it's a pain in the ass, but "well regulated" is in the Second Amendment BEFORE the right to bear arms is mentioned. Laws are written in specific ways for specific reason.

Bolding the ones on your list that currently exist in CA.

1) take class to be able to buy gun Self study, but you have to pass a test.
2) pass background check
3) pass reference check. What kind of reference check? Like Crang's a good guy?
4) get approval to buy from law enforcement Lumping this with 4
5) buy insurance. Nope. And no problem on this one.
6) go select your gun (no semi-automatic weapons) and present evidence of insurance
7) enter waiting period, during waiting period gun goes to ATF for registration and test firing - serial number and ballistics tests done, recorded, and made entered into database. Database results only available with a warrant. We got the waiting period and the only handguns allowed to be sold here. Retarded list of guns that eliminates the really nice one but gets you "microstamping"
8) notification from law enforcement that waiting period has ended and you're ready to proceed. Your FFL calls you.
9) pass a comprehensive safety and skills class with YOUR gun, which is still held by law enforcement. Big NO here. You have to show you can load and operate the handgun, but those are skills a chimpanzee could master.
10) pick up weapon from local law enforcement for keeps

YOU as the purchaser responsible for all the associated costs. That's always the deal. There is no gun welfare.

[Desertbreh]

As you note all of this bullshit can be eliminated by going to Kansas, Wyoming, or Arizona.

[rockchops]

There is a country that does it this way, but I can't remember which. I think it's japan? I can't take credit fully for this.

Why have a gun when all you need is a hammer and sickle?

[wap]

Is it something, in your opinion, that is worth improving on to get the technology right so it reliably works as intended?

Oh absolutely. Mainly for negligent shootings. Not many people have their own gun used against them intentionally but it would solve lots of negligent discharges (I don't use the term accidental shooting as any accidental shooting is rooted in negligence).

I was thinking about guns getting stolen then used for murders or other crimes, but you make a good point, too.

[wap]

There is a country that does it this way, but I can't remember which. I think it's japan? I can't take credit fully for this.

Maybe Switzerland?

[wap]

California.

I know it doesn't seem like it, but these ideas are far more restrictive.

This actually points to a massive issue we have. The lack of a national structure greatly undermines the capabilities of any specific localities.

As a gun owner I don't see why anyone would opposed these steps in good faith. Yeah it's a pain in the ass, but "well regulated" is in the Second Amendment BEFORE the right to bear arms is mentioned. Laws are written in specific ways for specific reason.

IT makes me to no end how often this point is ignored when talking about the 2nd Amendment.

[razr390]

There is a country that does it this way, but I can't remember which. I think it's japan? I can't take credit fully for this.

Maybe Switzerland?

Switzerland actually has a very high gun ownership rate.

[wap]

I was thinking about guns getting stolen then used for murders or other crimes, but you make a good point, too.

Also not SUPER common but it happens. Would help with straw purchases which is a big issue.

I forgot to mention too. It's yuuge problem in Illinois. Most of the guns involved in crimes and shootings here come from Indiana, from a very small number of gun shops.

[wap]

Maybe Switzerland?

Switzerland actually has a very high gun ownership rate.

I know. VERY well regulated,

[troyguitar]

Maybe Switzerland?

Switzerland actually has a very high gun ownership rate.

Aren't men issued rifles and corkscrews there?

[wap]

Switzerland actually has a very high gun ownership rate.

Aren't men issued rifles and corkscrews there?

Rifles, yes. about corkscrews.

[SAWCE]

California.

I know it doesn't seem like it, but these ideas are far more restrictive.

This actually points to a massive issue we have. The lack of a national structure greatly undermines the capabilities of any specific localities.

As a gun owner I don't see why anyone would opposed these steps in good faith. Yeah it's a pain in the ass, but "well regulated" is in the Second Amendment BEFORE the right to bear arms is mentioned. Laws are written in specific ways for specific reason.

I’m not a gun owner, but I’d like to get one or two because I think they’re I wouldn’t mind going through this process at all.

[max225]

Maybe Switzerland?

Switzerland actually has a very high gun ownership rate.

And suicide rate, higher than the us actually. But not a nato state so, doesn’t matter

[max225]

I love how y’all are dying to give up whatever pathetic sliver is left our freedoms thinking that somehow the laws are going to do anything.... works really well for the the 400million+ weapons in circulation already... right ?

[Melon]

This thread makes me want to commit suicide.

[SAWCE]

I love how y’all are dying to give up whatever pathetic sliver is left our freedoms thinking that somehow the laws are going to do anything.... works really well for the the 400million+ weapons in circulation already... right ?

I don’t think that regulating guns is giving up freedom. Saying there should be zero guns full stop would be, for sure. Lots of things are regulated though. Freedom doesn’t mean you can do whatever the fuck you want whenever the fuck you want to do it. Not to me anyways.

[max225]

I love how y’all are dying to give up whatever pathetic sliver is left our freedoms thinking that somehow the laws are going to do anything.... works really well for the the 400million+ weapons in circulation already... right ?

I don’t think that regulating guns is giving up freedom. Saying there should be zero guns full stop would be, for sure. Lots of things are regulated though. Freedom doesn’t mean you can do whatever the fuck you want whenever the fuck you want to do it. Not to me anyways.

To me it does, without the government interfering, unless you’re breaking laws. We’re not even enforcing the laws we have daily. What’s the point of layering on new ones, that make shit more difficult for law abiding citizens

[Tar]

I missed a lot of DFD today but I like where the mod/admin chat is going. It ultimately sounds like a lot of people care to have this little slice of interwebz heaven continue to thrive.

[Tar]

Had a chance to take my oldest on a little road trip to Tobomory/Bruce Peninsula, its an amazing place with great viewpoints and crystal clear water that is as cold as I remember it to be when I came here as a teen with close friends and a cousins.

Some pics from the shoreline with my kiddo.

[Tar]

Also COVID tests came back negative today, we will hang here for one more day so I've got a chance to review some school work in the morning and clean up to rental readiness at the beach house, then we head back to regroup as a foursome and get the kids back to school and me back to work!

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Had a chance to take my oldest on a little road trip to Tobomory/Bruce Peninsula, its an amazing place with great viewpoints and crystal clear water that is as cold as I remember it to be when I came here as a teen with close friends and a cousins.

Some pics from the shoreline with my kiddo.

Looks awesome! I've been wanting to get to that area of Canada for a while.