DFD

max225 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 12:19 am

[user not found] wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:03 pm

I think that's selling the brand a bit short - they're certainly more driver-oriented than the vast majority of anything else available at the price point.

My wife's 2015 Cooper is an engaging car to drive - I always have fun driving it. And the sport seats are fantastic.

Yea I am not even going to respond to that bullshit. Calling minis not drivers cars is sacrilege.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 11:03 pm

Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 8:26 pm They are not really drivers cars, just kind of “fun” putt around mobiles.

I think that's selling the brand a bit short - they're certainly more driver-oriented than the vast majority of anything else available at the price point.

My wife's 2015 Cooper is an engaging car to drive - I always have fun driving it. And the sport seats are fantastic.

max225 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:48 am Yea cross tranny is incredibly boring. It’ll do everything you want just fine but it’ll be as interesting as a Prius. Matter of fact a Prius may be more interesting because it’s kind of fun(ish) to watch the hybrid system work and try and eek out more mpgs.

There is nothing fun in the Cross.

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 3:33 pm https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/it ... 9141e8766e

$12k and cheeese colored.

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 1:48 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 3:33 pm https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/it ... 9141e8766e

$12k and cheeese colored.

Hmmmmmm.

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 1:57 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 1:48 pm

Hmmmmmm.

It's already been deemed a POS because of mods and first MY. Hence the cheap price.

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 2:03 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 1:57 pm
It's already been deemed a POS because of mods and first MY. Hence the cheap price.

Is it local to you

I think I was kind of looking at MINIs by searching for ones at the upper end of "my budget" ( logic SMH) and thinking, wow, buy one for $18K, sell it for $9K in two years. At like $8-12K there is only so much it can drop. I don't care if I buy something for $12K and sell it for $8K in two years. That's not bean counter approved but it's perfectly acceptable to me. These are also cheap enough that just getting it to sort of try out YOLO style doesn't bother me. A damn Fiesta ST sub 40K miles is basically worth it's original MSRP, or get a high mileage one for high teens, it's kind of

Is this dumb? https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/it ... 8fc3528dcf I can't remember what year they got un-shitty.

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 2:03 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 1:57 pm
It's already been deemed a POS because of mods and first MY. Hence the cheap price.

Is it local to you

I think I was kind of looking at MINIs by searching for ones at the upper end of "my budget" ( logic SMH) and thinking, wow, buy one for $18K, sell it for $9K in two years. At like $8-12K there is only so much it can drop. I don't care if I buy something for $12K and sell it for $8K in two years. That's not bean counter approved but it's perfectly acceptable to me. These are also cheap enough that just getting it to sort of try out YOLO style doesn't bother me. A damn Fiesta ST sub 40K miles is basically worth it's original MSRP, or get a high mileage one for high teens, it's kind of

Is this dumb? https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/it ... 8fc3528dcf I can't remember what year they got un-shitty.

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 2:03 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 1:57 pm
It's already been deemed a POS because of mods and first MY. Hence the cheap price.

Is it local to you

I think I was kind of looking at MINIs by searching for ones at the upper end of "my budget" ( logic SMH) and thinking, wow, buy one for $18K, sell it for $9K in two years. At like $8-12K there is only so much it can drop. I don't care if I buy something for $12K and sell it for $8K in two years. That's not bean counter approved but it's perfectly acceptable to me. These are also cheap enough that just getting it to sort of try out YOLO style doesn't bother me. A damn Fiesta ST sub 40K miles is basically worth it's original MSRP, or get a high mileage one for high teens, it's kind of

Is this dumb? https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/it ... 8fc3528dcf I can't remember what year they got un-shitty.

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 2:11 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 2:03 pm

Is it local to you

I think I was kind of looking at MINIs by searching for ones at the upper end of "my budget" ( logic SMH) and thinking, wow, buy one for $18K, sell it for $9K in two years. At like $8-12K there is only so much it can drop. I don't care if I buy something for $12K and sell it for $8K in two years. That's not bean counter approved but it's perfectly acceptable to me. These are also cheap enough that just getting it to sort of try out YOLO style doesn't bother me. A damn Fiesta ST sub 40K miles is basically worth it's original MSRP, or get a high mileage one for high teens, it's kind of

Is this dumb? https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/it ... 8fc3528dcf I can't remember what year they got un-shitty.

09's have been deemed plague status in this thread. Avoid at all cost for reasons. Zil can give details. IIRC, the sweet spot is a 2012 or 2013.

But this is what I've been getting at...a low $teen MINI simply can't depreciate that far and provides tremendous value. Screw the $20k ones, look for $15k and under.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 3:25 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 11:24 am
AWD and some ground clearance is really smart where we live because feet of snow in the winter is an expectation. The crosstranny is ideal, just boring. But an AWD Clubman is an under the radar option that I'm liking more and more.

The Chubman S All4 is a GTI with some personality. I came REALLY close to doing an employee lease because I enjoyed it so much, my mom even had one for a bit that she loved.

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 3:27 pm

[user not found] wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 3:25 pm

The Chubman S All4 is a GTI with some personality. I came REALLY close to doing an employee lease because I enjoyed it so much, my mom even had one for a bit that she loved.

Stop it, you make me want one more. It's emerging as our perfect 2nd car solution. even likes it.

Apex wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 3:28 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 3:27 pm
Stop it, you make me want one more. It's emerging as our perfect 2nd car solution. even likes it.

Dplac the Chubman. Sounds like a bad 80s pr0n.

[user not found] wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 3:35 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 2:11 pm
09's have been deemed plague status in this thread. Avoid at all cost for reasons. Zil can give details. IIRC, the sweet spot is a 2012 or 2013.

But this is what I've been getting at...a low $teen MINI simply can't depreciate that far and provides tremendous value. Screw the $20k ones, look for $15k and under.

2011-2013 for an R56, generally speaking. Revised engine with dual VANOS, different HPFP, improvements everywhere.

For an F56, go 2016+. 2014 avoid like the plague, there were some thrust bearing issues all the way into some 2015 models and some smelly AC evaporator cores (just don't use recirc too much on any modern car, really).

My wife's 2015 has 97k miles on it now? Bought at 6500 miles in 2016. Has consumed the following:
- Passenger side motor mount at ~80k. It's a wear item, budget for it. Part is cheap ($140 ish?), totally a DIY thing, but book labor is silly expensive. We were quoted $600+ for the job, it took me maybe 2 hours in the driveway to do, taking my time and being careful/cleaning things as I went.
- 2x front and rear brakes, plus I just put new take-off calipers on the back (scored them on eBay for $125 for both ). It might actually need new handbrake lines, been getting a weird frozen rear brake issue on subzero mornings, and I won't figure out if new calipers fix the issue or not until it's winter again.
- Oil and filter every 10-11k (really pushing the bounds here, but so far it seems ok)
- Rear shocks and bump stops installed at 95k, fronts waiting to go on when I get some time. Not necessarily needed yet, but it was time for a refresh. Rear shocks were definitely tired, and Bilstein B4s were stupid cheap on Rockauto.
- Thrust bearing recall done very early on in ownership

[user not found] wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 3:53 pm

Detroit wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 3:42 pm
Thanks! Excellent guidance.

Any issues with the Clubman All4's? OR years to avoid?

Not really, only issue we ran into on one car was peeling black trim on the rear swing doors. Seemed like an isolated issue.

The HVAC, engine, infotainment used in the F54 Chubman is all the same from the F56, so by 2017 when the new Clubby came out, the critical parts had been in the world for several years already.

Detroit wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 3:33 pm https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/it ... 9141e8766e

$12k and cheeese colored.

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 5:37 pm This seems to be the only one that meets DFD criteria anywhere near me: https://www.smartchevrolet.com/inventor ... 55g2c60953

max225 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:18 pm

D Griff wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 5:37 pm This seems to be the only one that meets DFD criteria anywhere near me: https://www.smartchevrolet.com/inventor ... 55g2c60953

It almost does... it has a warm air intake.

It looks to have some sort of aftermarket exhaust too... curious about that.

Color checks out ... year does too. And it is somewhat of an interesting spec... nav + moonroof+led but no heated seats... overall I really like the spec actually

max225 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:33 pm I did just realize 70k miles damn... I’m at 33k and the best offer from “vroom” or the likes I got was 17k.

Apex wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:27 pm

max225 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:18 pm

It almost does... it has a warm air intake.

It looks to have some sort of aftermarket exhaust too... curious about that.

Color checks out ... year does too. And it is somewhat of an interesting spec... nav + moonroof+led but no heated seats... overall I really like the spec actually

I’d go look at it and brap around if I were Griff. Sport seats look 5/7.

D Griff wrote:

max225 wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 6:33 pm I did just realize 70k miles damn... I’m at 33k and the best offer from “vroom” or the likes I got was 17k.

This is why I’m all in on seeking my POS to them for over $11k, I feel like they won’t offer that high again. Most dece Minis through them are low twenties though.

troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 11:01 pm

D Griff wrote:
This is why I’m all in on seeking my POS to them for over $11k, I feel like they won’t offer that high again. Most dece Minis through them are low twenties though.

You could sell your C5 and buy another one next year instead of doing the maintenance.