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wap wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:53 am
Detroit wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:07 am
Oh wow :notbad:

Filled the Cucktrek with 87 for 3.24 from Costco. Prices must be on the way down?
I think they've stabilized somewhat lately, yes. $3.09 is a bit of a :unicorn: around here. Most places in my county are in the high $3.20's - low $3.30's and have held steady there for a couple weeks. Now, Cook county (basically Chicago metro) is easily $.30-$.40 higher, but still well under $4
:notbad: really. Everything else costs a fortune, but gas is still relatively cheap IMO.
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wap wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:53 am
Detroit wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:07 am
Oh wow :notbad:

Filled the Cucktrek with 87 for 3.24 from Costco. Prices must be on the way down?
I think they've stabilized somewhat lately, yes. $3.09 is a bit of a :unicorn: around here. Most places in my county are in the high $3.20's - low $3.30's and have held steady there for a couple weeks. Now, Cook county (basically Chicago metro) is easily $.30-$.40 higher, but still well under $4
Is this just a supply/demand thing or are the counties taxed differently?

We really don't see that kind of split from Mecklenburg County (Charlotte) and the surrounding suburban/rural counties. Even in SC where the gas taxes are lower, the SC suburbs are maybe $0.05 less, you have to get away from the metro area to really capitalize on lower gas prices.
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Detroit wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:01 pm
D Griff wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:55 am

Yep, the compression they used in the past was pretty :poop:

We actually sold them some consoles in NYC and Washington, DC at my old company to the tuno of like $1 million. They were building out some sick studios for live on air production and stuff and clearly investing in top of the line sound.

Much like TV shifting all to streaming, as music has, sometimes I just miss the days of someone else deciding what I want to listen to for me. SXM is cool for this because it offers good content/fewer ads/lots of variety while still not making me pick an artist or something.
We keep Spotify around so we can pick an artist, and for more niche listening moods (it has some really good playlist "channels") but we put SXM on when we just want music on and don't really care what. My ONLY beef with it is the DJs can blow and ramble about :whocares: like they have an hourly talking quota or something and rarely add value. Most of the stations we listen to don't have DJ's because of that.
Yep, I enjoy the streaming services as well, I just think I'm willing to pay for both. I am a music industry alum after all, $15-20/month for unlimited, commercial free music is still not much.
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D Griff wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:39 am
Johnny_P wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:16 am Y’all have SiriusXM subscriptions or nah?

Sound quality is a lot better on that than regular poverty BHPH commercial infested radio channels.
We had the free trial for a year in the Beep Beep, I really miss it and will probably get it back. What do y'all pay per month for it? :notsure: what a good :dill: would be.
$5 a month is a good :dill: for it.
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Detroit wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:02 pm
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I think they've stabilized somewhat lately, yes. $3.09 is a bit of a :unicorn: around here. Most places in my county are in the high $3.20's - low $3.30's and have held steady there for a couple weeks. Now, Cook county (basically Chicago metro) is easily $.30-$.40 higher, but still well under $4
:notbad: really. Everything else costs a fortune, but gas is still relatively cheap IMO.
Sorta... but we're at 8 year highs in the country and especially in commifornia.

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max225 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:17 pm
Detroit wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:02 pm
:notbad: really. Everything else costs a fortune, but gas is still relatively cheap IMO.
Sorta... but we're at 8 year highs in the country and especially in commifornia.

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Yep, $5/gallon would give me a bit more pause. I feel like it's still pretty cheap here for the opportunity it provides. Also, the fact that I really don't HAVE to drive anywhere makes it very :aintcare: , many don't have that luxury though.
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D Griff wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:27 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:17 pm
Sorta... but we're at 8 year highs in the country and especially in commifornia.

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Yep, $5/gallon would give me a bit more pause. I feel like it's still pretty cheap here for the opportunity it provides. Also, the fact that I really don't HAVE to drive anywhere makes it very :aintcare: , many don't have that luxury though.
You don't "have to drive"? I am :notsure: what that means. You can walk to costco and walk back? You probably mean "I am forever working from home so I don't have to be at work".

I think the only people that truly don't "have to drive" are apartment dwellers in SF and NYC, I haven't been anywhere else in the US where one can be without a car.
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max225 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:30 pm
D Griff wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:27 pm

Yep, $5/gallon would give me a bit more pause. I feel like it's still pretty cheap here for the opportunity it provides. Also, the fact that I really don't HAVE to drive anywhere makes it very :aintcare: , many don't have that luxury though.
You don't "have to drive"? I am :notsure: what that means. You can walk to costco and walk back? You probably mean "I am forever working from home so I don't have to be at work".

I think the only people that truly don't "have to drive" are apartment dwellers in SF and NYC, I haven't been anywhere else in the US where one can be without a car.
The point is driving requirements are lower and there's rarely a NEED to drive. Like when we run errands, we do ALL errands in one outing. So instead of driving 20 miles round trip every few days or every day (commuting) we do 30 miles a week because we just plan all errands for one outing. Yep, that means we have to plan for the week ahead, but that's been NBD. We can and do not leave our house in the car for 6 days straight. We do plenty of walking around the neighborhood and whatnot to get out, but the car just isn't a daily requirement like it used to be.
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max225 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:17 pm
Detroit wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:02 pm
:notbad: really. Everything else costs a fortune, but gas is still relatively cheap IMO.
Sorta... but we're at 8 year highs in the country and especially in commifornia.

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EVERYTHING is at 8+ year highs. I can't think of anything that isn't.
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Detroit wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:42 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:30 pm
You don't "have to drive"? I am :notsure: what that means. You can walk to costco and walk back? You probably mean "I am forever working from home so I don't have to be at work".

I think the only people that truly don't "have to drive" are apartment dwellers in SF and NYC, I haven't been anywhere else in the US where one can be without a car.
The point is driving requirements are lower and there's rarely a NEED to drive. Like when we run errands, we do ALL errands in one outing. So instead of driving 20 miles round trip every few days or every day (commuting) we do 30 miles a week because we just plan all errands for one outing. Yep, that means we have to plan for the week ahead, but that's been NBD. We can and do not leave our house in the car for 6 days straight. We do plenty of walking around the neighborhood and whatnot to get out, but the car just isn't a daily requirement like it used to be.
No doubt. We can stay home for a week at a time. We also only "need" 1 car not 2 at this point in time. But we NEED a car.
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max225 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:30 pm
D Griff wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:27 pm

Yep, $5/gallon would give me a bit more pause. I feel like it's still pretty cheap here for the opportunity it provides. Also, the fact that I really don't HAVE to drive anywhere makes it very :aintcare: , many don't have that luxury though.
You don't "have to drive"? I am :notsure: what that means. You can walk to costco and walk back? You probably mean "I am forever working from home so I don't have to be at work".

I think the only people that truly don't "have to drive" are apartment dwellers in SF and NYC, I haven't been anywhere else in the US where one can be without a car.
I really run most errands on my bike. I could not drive at all, but that would certainly be an inconvenience. I'd say the major 'necessity' is like once/week to the grocery store, which is sub five miles round trip. I do drive to MTB trails, visit family/friends, weekend trips (not much else) which are all for pleasure and I therefor don't really mind spending a few bucks on gas.

I don't seem to need to 'run errands' as much as most people. Hell, even trips to Home Depot, I typically just walk over with my :doge: because he likes to go and it's rare that I'm buying more than will fit in a backpack.
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max225 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:44 pm
Detroit wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:42 pm
The point is driving requirements are lower and there's rarely a NEED to drive. Like when we run errands, we do ALL errands in one outing. So instead of driving 20 miles round trip every few days or every day (commuting) we do 30 miles a week because we just plan all errands for one outing. Yep, that means we have to plan for the week ahead, but that's been NBD. We can and do not leave our house in the car for 6 days straight. We do plenty of walking around the neighborhood and whatnot to get out, but the car just isn't a daily requirement like it used to be.
No doubt. We can stay home for a week at a time. We also only "need" 1 car not 2 at this point in time. But we NEED a car.
I would say the same... but really my wife needs it to get to work and stuff, for me it's more of a luxury and I choose to bike more places when I can. I could certainly use the one car to go grocery shopping and that would cover the needs.
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D Griff wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:45 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:30 pm
You don't "have to drive"? I am :notsure: what that means. You can walk to costco and walk back? You probably mean "I am forever working from home so I don't have to be at work".

I think the only people that truly don't "have to drive" are apartment dwellers in SF and NYC, I haven't been anywhere else in the US where one can be without a car.
I really run most errands on my bike. I could not drive at all, but that would certainly be an inconvenience. I'd say the major 'necessity' is like once/week to the grocery store, which is sub five miles round trip. I do drive to MTB trails, visit family/friends, weekend trips (not much else) which are all for pleasure and I therefor don't really mind spending a few bucks on gas.

I don't seem to need to 'run errands' as much as most people. Hell, even trips to Home Depot, I typically just walk over with my :doge: because he likes to go and it's rare that I'm buying more than will fit in a backpack.
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max225 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:44 pm
Detroit wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:42 pm
The point is driving requirements are lower and there's rarely a NEED to drive. Like when we run errands, we do ALL errands in one outing. So instead of driving 20 miles round trip every few days or every day (commuting) we do 30 miles a week because we just plan all errands for one outing. Yep, that means we have to plan for the week ahead, but that's been NBD. We can and do not leave our house in the car for 6 days straight. We do plenty of walking around the neighborhood and whatnot to get out, but the car just isn't a daily requirement like it used to be.
No doubt. We can stay home for a week at a time. We also only "need" 1 car not 2 at this point in time. But we NEED a car.
Yep, a car in general is still a necessity. We couldn't get by without one at all, hence our current dilemma. But I still fail to see a need for another car because even our current one barely gets miles. This compared to the days a few years ago where we both had cars and both drove them at the same time separately 30 miles round trip per day because we had do for commuting, consumption is minimal by comparison.

Makes gas prices and whatnot :aintcare: but is also a fantastic case for EV. I have this dumb towing requirement that keeps me out of an EV for now, but I fully expect my next vehicle to be an EV once I figure out how to keep the boat locally. That should coincide well with a drastically increased charging network that should make range anxiety NBD.
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Detroit wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:50 pm
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No doubt. We can stay home for a week at a time. We also only "need" 1 car not 2 at this point in time. But we NEED a car.
Yep, a car in general is still a necessity. We couldn't get by without one at all, hence our current dilemma. But I still fail to see a need for another car because even our current one barely gets miles. This compared to the days a few years ago where we both had cars and both drove them at the same time separately 30 miles round trip per day because we had do for commuting, consumption is minimal by comparison.

Makes gas prices and whatnot :aintcare: but is also a fantastic case for EV. I have this dumb towing requirement that keeps me out of an EV for now, but I fully expect my next vehicle to be an EV once I figure out how to keep the boat locally. That should coincide well with a drastically increased charging network that should make range anxiety NBD.
I think range anxiety is not a problem. The real problem is "recharge" times.. but that seems to be tackled at the moment... but.. it is still at least 20 min for 120-150 miles of towing. So a 20 min stop every 2-3hrs :bs:
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max225 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:52 pm
Detroit wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:50 pm
Yep, a car in general is still a necessity. We couldn't get by without one at all, hence our current dilemma. But I still fail to see a need for another car because even our current one barely gets miles. This compared to the days a few years ago where we both had cars and both drove them at the same time separately 30 miles round trip per day because we had do for commuting, consumption is minimal by comparison.

Makes gas prices and whatnot :aintcare: but is also a fantastic case for EV. I have this dumb towing requirement that keeps me out of an EV for now, but I fully expect my next vehicle to be an EV once I figure out how to keep the boat locally. That should coincide well with a drastically increased charging network that should make range anxiety NBD.
I think range anxiety is not a problem. The real problem is "recharge" times.. but that seems to be tackled at the moment... but.. it is still at least 20 min for 120-150 miles of towing. So a 20 min stop every 2-3hrs :bs:
There's still minimal chargers where I am. I'd need something with a 300 mile range minimum to work where I am. I admit that's rapidly changing, but RIGHT NOW, there's work to be done.

Towing is going to be a disaster. Chargers aren't installed in a way that accommodates a vehicle and a trailer. I honestly have no idea how to get around that, it seems like something the industry has ignored so far. Even if you wanted to attempt a trip like that, you can't easily pull up to a charger.

Maybe ICE will just stick around for towing needs.
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Detroit wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:02 pm
wap wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:53 am

I think they've stabilized somewhat lately, yes. $3.09 is a bit of a :unicorn: around here. Most places in my county are in the high $3.20's - low $3.30's and have held steady there for a couple weeks. Now, Cook county (basically Chicago metro) is easily $.30-$.40 higher, but still well under $4
:notbad: really. Everything else costs a fortune, but gas is still relatively cheap IMO.
Yep, contrary to the :doomed: we keep seeing on the news.
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D Griff wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:09 pm
wap wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:53 am

I think they've stabilized somewhat lately, yes. $3.09 is a bit of a :unicorn: around here. Most places in my county are in the high $3.20's - low $3.30's and have held steady there for a couple weeks. Now, Cook county (basically Chicago metro) is easily $.30-$.40 higher, but still well under $4
Is this just a supply/demand thing or are the counties taxed differently?

We really don't see that kind of split from Mecklenburg County (Charlotte) and the surrounding suburban/rural counties. Even in SC where the gas taxes are lower, the SC suburbs are maybe $0.05 less, you have to get away from the metro area to really capitalize on lower gas prices.
It's totally due to different tax rates in the different counties. Cook County is notorious for high gas taxes. :|
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Detroit wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:58 pm
max225 wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:52 pm

I think range anxiety is not a problem. The real problem is "recharge" times.. but that seems to be tackled at the moment... but.. it is still at least 20 min for 120-150 miles of towing. So a 20 min stop every 2-3hrs :bs:
There's still minimal chargers where I am. I'd need something with a 300 mile range minimum to work where I am. I admit that's rapidly changing, but RIGHT NOW, there's work to be done.

Towing is going to be a disaster. Chargers aren't installed in a way that accommodates a vehicle and a trailer. I honestly have no idea how to get around that, it seems like something the industry has ignored so far. Even if you wanted to attempt a trip like that, you can't easily pull up to a charger.

Maybe ICE will just stick around for towing needs.
Spot on. It is hard to approach some chargers with a trailer for sure. That's been a tough one. And as mentioned 120-150 mile range before a 20 min charge is just not feasible IMO. That adds significant travel time. I would say towing anything triple digits miles (one way) is completely out of the question.
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CaleDeRoo wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:14 pm Damn the new Genny G90 is badass
it is isn't it? The badge still kills it :doe: but it is great looking.
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Huckleberry wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:01 am

My only gripe with the new truck is they did away with the :manuel:. It was such a nice transmission.
:dat:

It was a slightly modified trans from the 370 IIRC, and shifted very unlike a truck.

I should've kept my Frontier.
The 2nd one was really :nice:
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Huckleberry wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 8:01 am

My only gripe with the new truck is they did away with the :manuel:. It was such a nice transmission.
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It was a slightly modified trans from the 370 IIRC, and shifted very unlike a truck.

I should've kept my Frontier.
I was really close to buying a leftover 2017 in early 2018, but the dealer decided that they wanted to play games and not honor their advertised True Car price. I was so soured on the experience that when they called me two months later to see if I was still interested, I told them to piss off.

I'm much happier with my GTI, anyways.
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[user not found] wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:29 pm

:dat:

It was a slightly modified trans from the 370 IIRC, and shifted very unlike a truck.

I should've kept my Frontier.
I was really close to buying a leftover 2017 in early 2018, but the dealer decided that they wanted to play games and not honor their advertised True Car price. I was so soured on the experience that when they called me two months later to see if I was still interested, I told them to piss off.

I'm much happier with my GTI, anyways.
We're quick to forget crappy dealer experiences, especially now that all vehicles cost a fortune and are unobtainium. But dealers will always play into a new vehicle in some way, and spending money with a bad place is just bad consumerism IMO.
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Detroit wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:18 pm
We're quick to forget crappy dealer experiences, especially now that all vehicles cost a fortune and are unobtainium. But dealers will always play into a new vehicle in some way, and spending money with a bad place is just bad consumerism IMO.
Nah, I hold long-standing grudges against bad dealers. I don’t forget being screwed over easily.
Nor should you. Bad business practice should result in bad business...results.
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