Car Talk 6: Best of times and Worst of Times

[Gberg2119]

All the journos and YouTubers are out driving the GR Corolla. Looks like embargo lifts 9/14.

for more unobtanium.

[wap]

All the journos and YouTubers are out driving the GR Corolla. Looks like embargo lifts 9/14.

for more unobtanium.

with that car talk. This is now the real estate thread.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

All the journos and YouTubers are out driving the GR Corolla. Looks like embargo lifts 9/14.

for more unobtanium.

but also since you won't be able to buy one.

[coogles]

[D Griff]

[max225]

Yay dyson

[ChrisoftheNorth]

There aren't many turbo cars that sound good revving in neutral. It's under load where the comes out from my experience. The launch sound was promising...

[Johnny_P]

There aren't many turbo cars that sound good revving in neutral. It's under load where the comes out from my experience. The launch sound was promising...

I miss my subaru

[Gberg2119]

That's disappointing.

[CaleDeRoo]

Did you guys expect to hear a Daytona 675 out of this thing?

[Johnny_P]

I’m sure aftermarket exhausts will make it sound better. I’m more interested in how it drives and how the AWD system acquits itself.

Doesn’t matter though. I’ll never actually be able to obtain one.

[coogles]

There aren't many turbo cars that sound good revving in neutral. It's under load where the comes out from my experience. The launch sound was promising...

I miss my subaru

I would take this over a STi 0/7 times.

[D Griff]

Did you guys expect to hear a Daytona 675 out of this thing?

I don't really get the hype on three cylinders, every one I've used has been pretty shit.

I really do like the idea of this thing but it's sort of like a new Ferrari launch or something to me at this point, I don't give a shit because I'll literally never be able to afford one of these.

Weird that a Corolla is completely out of reach for a pretty solidly middle class dude, but this is 2022.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Did you guys expect to hear a Daytona 675 out of this thing?

I don't really get the hype on three cylinders, every one I've used has been pretty shit.

I really do like the idea of this thing but it's sort of like a new Ferrari launch or something to me at this point, I don't give a shit because I'll literally never be able to afford one of these.

Weird that a Corolla is completely out of reach for a pretty solidly middle class dude, but this is 2022.

Yea, when my admitted that there's no point in me getting excited for a car within the next few years, I just gave up and a freaking Corolla became a Lambo. That's the world we live in now, I'll just ride my homeless truck from now on, I like the simplicity better anyway.

[Gberg2119]

I don't think it's production numbers either. All the blame falls on the

See Nissan dealers are already charging $100k+ for the new Z. I bet they can get you financing for it!!

[max225]

I don't really get the hype on three cylinders, every one I've used has been pretty shit.

I really do like the idea of this thing but it's sort of like a new Ferrari launch or something to me at this point, I don't give a shit because I'll literally never be able to afford one of these.

Weird that a Corolla is completely out of reach for a pretty solidly middle class dude, but this is 2022.

Yea, when my admitted that there's no point in me getting excited for a car within the next few years, I just gave up and a freaking Corolla became a Lambo. That's the world we live in now, I'll just ride my homeless truck from now on, I like the simplicity better anyway.

I think the issue is not $ but production numbers. Toyota decided to cap production at such low levels that it makes it an unattainable proposition.

I frankly blame the Nike “drop” model. That is designed to drive artificial demand by creating artificial scarcity. It’s all the C level conversational rage these days, they fucking love that shit.

Can we talk about how Ford thought they were going to sell 75k mustangs in the first year but once they saw the order volume they ramped up to 600k units ? Yea… “cars were simpler back then” bullshit oems just knew what they were doing and were ready for this type of manufacturing. This latest just in time mess and the above mess is why we are where we are.

[max225]

I don't think it's production numbers either. All the blame falls on the

See Nissan dealers are already charging $100k+ for the new Z. I bet they can get you financing for it!!

The new Z is a joke, it’s nothing but a reskinned 370z with the Q60 redline motor. I would much rather 370z than that… no one in their right mind will pay 100k plus for one… but surely there will be a few that purchased a FJ cruiser for 103k that may … but that’s it

[MexicanYarisTK]

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[max225]

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Yea I priced out a Bronco raptor and it came up at 74k. I don't see how anyone can lose at sticker for these... but they are likely not available period...

That said... I don't know what I'd do with it.. its kind of awesome to run around in for sure... but it must suck due to mpg/gas tank on longer trips... 14mpg means 200 mile rest stops... which is to me in a long hauler.

[D Griff]

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Yea I priced out a Bronco raptor and it came up at 74k. I don't see how anyone can lose at sticker for these... but they are likely not available period...

That said... I don't know what I'd do with it.. its kind of awesome to run around in for sure... but it must suck due to mpg/gas tank on longer trips... 14mpg means 200 mile rest stops... which is to me in a long hauler.

The one pictured probably will when his car gets keyed for parking like a douche.

[D Griff]

I don't think it's production numbers either. All the blame falls on the

See Nissan dealers are already charging $100k+ for the new Z. I bet they can get you financing for it!!

The new Z is a joke, it’s nothing but a reskinned 370z with the Q60 redline motor. I would much rather 370z than that… no one in their right mind will pay 100k plus for one… but surely there will be a few that purchased a FJ cruiser for 103k that may … but that’s it

Yeah... I like the car but even at $50K it gets kinda based on reviews and stuff. If the base at low 40s had an LSD I think it would be worth it. $100K is a hard no. Especially when you look at the depreciation history, Z cars depreciate like crazy.

[CaleDeRoo]

Yea, when my admitted that there's no point in me getting excited for a car within the next few years, I just gave up and a freaking Corolla became a Lambo. That's the world we live in now, I'll just ride my homeless truck from now on, I like the simplicity better anyway.

I think the issue is not $ but production numbers. Toyota decided to cap production at such low levels that it makes it an unattainable proposition.

I frankly blame the Nike “drop” model. That is designed to drive artificial demand by creating artificial scarcity. It’s all the C level conversational rage these days, they fucking love that shit.

Can we talk about how Ford thought they were going to sell 75k mustangs in the first year but once they saw the order volume they ramped up to 600k units ? Yea… “cars were simpler back then” bullshit oems just knew what they were doing and were ready for this type of manufacturing. This latest just in time mess and the above mess is why we are where we are.

BRO the fucking Nike drop. My friend is talking about selling his 992 to help pay for the wedding ring yet buys 2 pairs a week from SNKRS

[max225]

I think the issue is not $ but production numbers. Toyota decided to cap production at such low levels that it makes it an unattainable proposition.

I frankly blame the Nike “drop” model. That is designed to drive artificial demand by creating artificial scarcity. It’s all the C level conversational rage these days, they fucking love that shit.

Can we talk about how Ford thought they were going to sell 75k mustangs in the first year but once they saw the order volume they ramped up to 600k units ? Yea… “cars were simpler back then” bullshit oems just knew what they were doing and were ready for this type of manufacturing. This latest just in time mess and the above mess is why we are where we are.

BRO the fucking Nike drop. My friend is talking about selling his 992 to help pay for the wedding ring yet buys 2 pairs a week from SNKRS

That's why I brought it up... there is nothing special about having a sweatshop make 100 pairs of one shoe vs 100 pairs of another other than mArkEtInG. And the 's are fanning the flames. Same goes for the swatch moon watch.

[CaleDeRoo]

Preying on the fomo

[max225]

I also feel like this whole scarcity model is a self feeding beast... create something that is way below market demand. (Toyota isn't fucking dumb) they know they can likely sell 30k units of these... but they picked 5k global #... there is NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT THIS CAR... it shares parts somewhere in the toyota lineup... they can EASILY RAMP UP... but no... they picked 5k... because they know that
5K are willing to pay 10-40k over
10k are willing to pay 5k over
15k are willing to pay sticker.

Why cater to the last bucket and set the production to actual demand... Asinine. I hate it here.