[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:59 pm
Again, we come back to a false expectation of a vaccine totally preventing infection, which is where I think a lot of the issues sit. It's a grossly simplified expectation, especially when we're dealing with a virus that is still not totally understood. We're essentially living in a live trial and we're all donating our bodies to science right now, vaxxed or not.
Please read this with a tone of respect, because I do respect you on some level. My thrown shade earlier is because I know you are capable of better, but if you really enjoy the grass thing go forth and be happy.
This above statement is incorrect, and is a recent change to 'teh narrative' that has been pushed. It's also a reasonable expectation for a 1st draft vaccine, however those vaccines tend to be leaky and scientists go back to the drawing board to make a better one. Leaky vaccines are bad. See for reference: Marek's disease. See the Salk polio vaccine, which was not sterilizing (ie you don't get sick but can pass on) and given in combination later to the oral vaccine using live virus once on is protected to produce the sterilizing immunity. Given alone, the OPV could cause polio. Also, the trials were huge. Not 2k people. 10's of thousands. They took YEARS. This is the rigor we need before we inject hundreds of millions of people with a non-proven treatment, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN WITH ZERO RISK. If adults want to make their own decisions I'm fine with that.
[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:59 pm
Vaccines don't prevent infection necessarily, they just prepare the body for fighting infection. And in the case of a virus that we still don't understand completely, with mutations happening more than once a year - it's going to take some time to bring the efficacy up. Bottom line is that the Covid vaccine does prepares the body for dealing with the virus, and it's been proven to keep hospitalization rates lower (at least until immunity wanes). By keeping the hospitals from being overwhelmed, it allows for those who really have serious issues (not just talking about those with Covid, I'm talking about everyone with serious issues) to be attended to.
Obvious problems:
1) Immunity wanes; we're still finding out just how fast, and that rate is different depending on which vaccine you opted for or if you were actually infected.
2) Younger people think they're invincible. Similar to how the vehicle accident rate is higher with younger drivers, I'm not surprised to see more young hospitalized from Covid or even dying - bars are packed full of young people here.
Brad, I'm curious: Of the 5 close contacts who had breakthrough infections, how did they fare in terms of symptom severity, and are any chronic issues present following recovery? Not an attack, just pure curiosity.
Again, you are factually incorrect in the above statements. Data is data, if all you do is read headlines you'll be in for a bad time.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the ... w/comments
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/so- ... rated-herd
Also, data from NHS in england does not just show waning immunity, it shows NEGATIVE immunity over time. IE, one is more litly to get covid. We call that ADE. uh-oh.
To you direct question: no. Because covid is simply not dangerous to most people. It was a bad cold and I didnt even know I had it until others around me popped positive feeling a little worse. Guess all those vitamins and healthier living are doing some good.
AGE INFECTION SURVIVAL RATE
0-19 99.9973%
20-29 99.986%
30-39 99.969%
40-49 99.918%
50-59 99.73%
60-69 99.41%
[user not found] wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:59 pm
As to eroding your rights, well... that's just how you perceive it, man. Your 'rights' also can't be allowed to steamroll the rights and lives of others. Letting the virus run rampant, while perhaps due to some extent on the human timeline, is not exactly humane, and I don't think that we're prepared to deal with that as a society. I'm not prepared to deal with it as an individual. We've come a long way from the early 1900s, which seems to be just enough time for society to forget just how bad unchecked epidemics and pandemics can be (polio, Spanish Flu, etc.). I truly don't understand any movement to make vaccination against dangerous communicable diseases optional when decades of successful vaccine implementation have effectively reduced the transmission and infection rates of said communicable diseases to near zero.
Don't want to get vaxxed? Wear a mask. Hell, I'm vaxxed and still wear a mask. I don't want whatever you've got, and I don't want to give you whatever I've got.
Then
YOU stay home. My rights are my rights till I step on you. Going to the park is not stepping on you. Or to a brewery, restaurant, library, the wallmarts, etc. Breathing air in a public space is not a violation of your rights, period. If
YOU are scared,
YOU stay home. Its
NOT MY JOB TO PROTECT YOU against something
you fear.
Also masks are at best useless and at worst harmful. Not to mention they give a false sense of protection/security and that makes them even more harmful as people may take risks thinking they work, when they don't.
rockchops wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:49 pm
My wife works in pharma research. I will be sure to let her know that an engineer knows better.
Hello mr red herring / sarcastic appeal to authority. I'm sure she does something STEM related, right? Furthermore, I'm sure she is involved in vaccine development and is literally an expert. She could be a janitor and work in pharma. Just like I worked in nuclear but was far removed from the design and operation of the powerplant itself.
But anyway it doesn't matter, data is data.
AGE INFECTION SURVIVAL RATE
0-19 99.9973%
20-29 99.986%
30-39 99.969%
40-49 99.918%
50-59 99.73%
60-69 99.41%
Well, that's all for me for awhile. I'll check back when Fauci declares covid endemic(it already is), resigns in disgrace(should be put in jail), or admits natural immunity is at least as protective as infection(because of course it fucking is).