After being in Turkey for a while, I see fiestas and any other sub compact as much as I see CUVs in the US. It’s truly sad like ford is dumping their Fusions and Focuses, but they don’t sell that well anyway so it is a right business move after all. Reasons why Porsche made the cayenne then macan, Maserati made the Levante and so on, is to save their ass from potential bankruptcy. Last time I got to the US, guess what’s the cheapest rental was? A crossover...
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Agreed, we are nowhere near full autonomy, but the more electric, computerized, drive assisting, etc. cars get, the less unique each model will be. It becomes branding/badge whoring at a point, like how different is an iPhone from a Galaxy, really? Hardly at all.MexicanYarisTK wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:18 amI don’t thing it will be soon that we will move on to fully autonomous. Also I see your point that your blue meanie is less engaging than the mk6, not gonna lie I still miss my mk6, my mk7 was great but I didn’t love it as much. It seems like lot of the new cars feels quite identical to each other. After driving 4 rentals, borrowed 2 different cars and the Clio. On the other end, in the land of seeing a previous gen 3 series at every other traffic light, I see Arteons every now and then, but maybe once a week. But the pricing is also at the same ballpark as the a4 as well.wap wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:10 pm
Sadly, I think you may be . And the rest of their offerings in Murica are just CUV's and SUV's seemingly. I mean, the Arteon is cool, but I never see them anywhere. Unless the Mk8.5 corrects the wrongs of the interior, I may be done with VW after the Blue Meanie.
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I know you've shared this opinion before, but it still blows me away. My MK6 was a total pile compared to my MK7, and worse to drive in literally every way I can think of.MexicanYarisTK wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:18 amI don’t thing it will be soon that we will move on to fully autonomous. Also I see your point that your blue meanie is less engaging than the mk6, not gonna lie I still miss my mk6, my mk7 was great but I didn’t love it as much. It seems like lot of the new cars feels quite identical to each other. After driving 4 rentals, borrowed 2 different cars and the Clio. On the other end, in the land of seeing a previous gen 3 series at every other traffic light, I see Arteons every now and then, but maybe once a week. But the pricing is also at the same ballpark as the a4 as well.wap wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 1:10 pm
Sadly, I think you may be . And the rest of their offerings in Murica are just CUV's and SUV's seemingly. I mean, the Arteon is cool, but I never see them anywhere. Unless the Mk8.5 corrects the wrongs of the interior, I may be done with VW after the Blue Meanie.
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In my experience, it's mixed. Objectively the Mk7.5 is better in several ways. Definitely tighter chassis with fewer rattles. My Mk6 didn't rattle that much but the Blue Meanie is really solid. It's also noticeably faster and rides as well on 18's as the Mk6 did on 17's. OTOH, the Mk6 had a better interior, less cheap plastics, nicer steering wheel, much better UI on a better HU, and it had a COMPASS.coogles wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:09 amI know you've shared this opinion before, but it still blows me away. My MK6 was a total pile compared to my MK7, and worse to drive in literally every way I can think of.MexicanYarisTK wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:18 am
I don’t thing it will be soon that we will move on to fully autonomous. Also I see your point that your blue meanie is less engaging than the mk6, not gonna lie I still miss my mk6, my mk7 was great but I didn’t love it as much. It seems like lot of the new cars feels quite identical to each other. After driving 4 rentals, borrowed 2 different cars and the Clio. On the other end, in the land of seeing a previous gen 3 series at every other traffic light, I see Arteons every now and then, but maybe once a week. But the pricing is also at the same ballpark as the a4 as well.
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I know the 7.5 had a liiiiitle bit of cost-cutting inside from the 7, but I think from 2011 to 2017 the interior is a push. Neither is better than the other, although I do appreciate the more aggressive bolsters in the newer seats. I did like the steering wheel better in the 6, at least, the one in the 7 is a bit thin. I thought the 2011 HU was trash - the 2017 is quicker, easier to navigate, and of course has AA and CarPlay, which my old car didn't.wap wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:45 amIn my experience, it's mixed. Objectively the Mk7.5 is better in several ways. Definitely tighter chassis with fewer rattles. My Mk6 didn't rattle that much but the Blue Meanie is really solid. It's also noticeably faster and rides as well on 18's as the Mk6 did on 17's. OTOH, the Mk6 had a better interior, less cheap plastics, nicer steering wheel, much better UI on a better HU, and it had a COMPASS.
As far as the chassis is concerned, though, the two don't even compare. My MK6 was a total wet noodle of a chassis, crashed into the bump stops constantly, and had rattles EVERYWHERE the second temps got below about 60*. I hated that car.
I've driven two MK7s, pretty much felt the same as my GTI to me, but like +10%. It had the powah of a tuned MK6 and felt a bit stiffer in a good way, but much more the same than it was different. I think my perspective is just really different after driving a Corvette for years though, it sort of makes any GTI/328i type thing feel the same and a bit noodly in comparison.
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Yeah, good point, the years make a big difference. The post Diesel Gate cars got cheapened out a lot. No underseat drawer, no sound deadening in the spare wheel well, no liner in the glove box, which also lost the cooling duct, no cover on the mirror bolts in the door jambs, etc, etc, etc. I also have the poverty HU which means I lost a CD player, compass, performance gauges, and even an AUX input. I hate AA so I don't care about gaining that. I also have to look at the HU to find and press the "button" to answer a phone call. On the Mk6 it was a slight move and press of my left thumb. Agreed on the better side bolsters and better chassiscoogles wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:57 amI know the 7.5 had a liiiiitle bit of cost-cutting inside from the 7, but I think from 2011 to 2017 the interior is a push. Neither is better than the other, although I do appreciate the more aggressive bolsters in the newer seats. I did like the steering wheel better in the 6, at least, the one in the 7 is a bit thin. I thought the 2011 HU was trash - the 2017 is quicker, easier to navigate, and of course has AA and CarPlay, which my old car didn't.wap wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:45 am
In my experience, it's mixed. Objectively the Mk7.5 is better in several ways. Definitely tighter chassis with fewer rattles. My Mk6 didn't rattle that much but the Blue Meanie is really solid. It's also noticeably faster and rides as well on 18's as the Mk6 did on 17's. OTOH, the Mk6 had a better interior, less cheap plastics, nicer steering wheel, much better UI on a better HU, and it had a COMPASS.
As far as the chassis is concerned, though, the two don't even compare. My MK6 was a total wet noodle of a chassis, crashed into the bump stops constantly, and had rattles EVERYWHERE the second temps got below about 60*. I hated that car.
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I don't think I may referred completely. The mk7 indeed a better balanced car, a bit more refined, more rigid chassis, basically feels like a poor mans audi. Doesn't body roll, stock for stock doesn't wheel hop remotely as much (hell barely). However, the feeling of the mk6, the fizz it gives me is what makes me like the 6 over the 7, everything else, mk7 >>> 6. The mods Ive done to the mk6, like dogbone and so on, mk7 basically gave those from factory based on feel. But then again, my mk6 was a manual and my mk7 is a DSG. I know both of yours arecoogles wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:09 amI know you've shared this opinion before, but it still blows me away. My MK6 was a total pile compared to my MK7, and worse to drive in literally every way I can think of.MexicanYarisTK wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:18 am
I don’t thing it will be soon that we will move on to fully autonomous. Also I see your point that your blue meanie is less engaging than the mk6, not gonna lie I still miss my mk6, my mk7 was great but I didn’t love it as much. It seems like lot of the new cars feels quite identical to each other. After driving 4 rentals, borrowed 2 different cars and the Clio. On the other end, in the land of seeing a previous gen 3 series at every other traffic light, I see Arteons every now and then, but maybe once a week. But the pricing is also at the same ballpark as the a4 as well.
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very muchwap wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:45 amIn my experience, it's mixed. Objectively the Mk7.5 is better in several ways. Definitely tighter chassis with fewer rattles. My Mk6 didn't rattle that much but the Blue Meanie is really solid. It's also noticeably faster and rides as well on 18's as the Mk6 did on 17's. OTOH, the Mk6 had a better interior, less cheap plastics, nicer steering wheel, much better UI on a better HU, and it had a COMPASS.
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MexicanYarisTK wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:13 pmvery muchwap wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:45 am
In my experience, it's mixed. Objectively the Mk7.5 is better in several ways. Definitely tighter chassis with fewer rattles. My Mk6 didn't rattle that much but the Blue Meanie is really solid. It's also noticeably faster and rides as well on 18's as the Mk6 did on 17's. OTOH, the Mk6 had a better interior, less cheap plastics, nicer steering wheel, much better UI on a better HU, and it had a COMPASS.
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I'm not entirely sure I'm as seppuku on the new Mk 8 R/GTI interior as everyone on here. My concern is that the whole electronic mess is problem ridden, not that it is digital. I mean, progress is unavoidable.
You're still getting a practical 315 hp AWD car that doesn't look like a cartoon character. And RON, from what I read you can configure the dash anyway you want so that you could only see a compass, for instance. Also monitors, boost, transmission temp, etc. I mean, I'm just as old fashioned as the next guy on here, but it still seems like a desirable vehicle to me. I mean, if we have an electric car like a Tesla, nobody is bitching about all the electronic displays, but they really should have left the Mk. 1 interior AS IS?
You're still getting a practical 315 hp AWD car that doesn't look like a cartoon character. And RON, from what I read you can configure the dash anyway you want so that you could only see a compass, for instance. Also monitors, boost, transmission temp, etc. I mean, I'm just as old fashioned as the next guy on here, but it still seems like a desirable vehicle to me. I mean, if we have an electric car like a Tesla, nobody is bitching about all the electronic displays, but they really should have left the Mk. 1 interior AS IS?
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but I think there's been a lot of negative feedback already for the move to all things digital in cars. Progress is great, but progress implies improvement. This isn't that. It's change for the sake of making something cheaper to manufacture or just for the sake of change itself.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:09 pm I'm not entirely sure I'm as seppuku on the new Mk 8 R/GTI interior as everyone on here. My concern is that the whole electronic mess is problem ridden, not that it is digital. I mean, progress is unavoidable.
You're still getting a practical 315 hp AWD car that doesn't look like a cartoon character. And RON, from what I read you can configure the dash anyway you want so that you could only see a compass, for instance. Also monitors, boost, transmission temp, etc. I mean, I'm just as old fashioned as the next guy on here, but it still seems like a desirable vehicle to me. I mean, if we have an electric car like a Tesla, nobody is bitching about all the electronic displays, but they really should have left the Mk. 1 interior AS IS?
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I get the argument there just aren't that many alternatives to that vehicle.coogles wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:17 pmbut I think there's been a lot of negative feedback already for the move to all things digital in cars. Progress is great, but progress implies improvement. This isn't that. It's change for the sake of making something cheaper to manufacture or just for the sake of change itself.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:09 pm I'm not entirely sure I'm as seppuku on the new Mk 8 R/GTI interior as everyone on here. My concern is that the whole electronic mess is problem ridden, not that it is digital. I mean, progress is unavoidable.
You're still getting a practical 315 hp AWD car that doesn't look like a cartoon character. And RON, from what I read you can configure the dash anyway you want so that you could only see a compass, for instance. Also monitors, boost, transmission temp, etc. I mean, I'm just as old fashioned as the next guy on here, but it still seems like a desirable vehicle to me. I mean, if we have an electric car like a Tesla, nobody is bitching about all the electronic displays, but they really should have left the Mk. 1 interior AS IS?
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You're largely down to SUVs as "competitors" to a hatchback at this point. Sad!Desertbreh wrote:I get the argument there just aren't that many alternatives to that vehicle.coogles wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:17 pm but I think there's been a lot of negative feedback already for the move to all things digital in cars. Progress is great, but progress implies improvement. This isn't that. It's change for the sake of making something cheaper to manufacture or just for the sake of change itself.
coogles wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:17 pmbut I think there's been a lot of negative feedback already for the move to all things digital in cars. Progress is great, but progress implies improvement. This isn't that. It's change for the sake of making something cheaper to manufacture or just for the sake of change itself.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:09 pm I'm not entirely sure I'm as seppuku on the new Mk 8 R/GTI interior as everyone on here. My concern is that the whole electronic mess is problem ridden, not that it is digital. I mean, progress is unavoidable.
You're still getting a practical 315 hp AWD car that doesn't look like a cartoon character. And RON, from what I read you can configure the dash anyway you want so that you could only see a compass, for instance. Also monitors, boost, transmission temp, etc. I mean, I'm just as old fashioned as the next guy on here, but it still seems like a desirable vehicle to me. I mean, if we have an electric car like a Tesla, nobody is bitching about all the electronic displays, but they really should have left the Mk. 1 interior AS IS?
And I've honestly never heard anyone give Tessie interiors around here or really in any automotive journalism.
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Desertbreh wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:09 pm I'm not entirely sure I'm as seppuku on the new Mk 8 R/GTI interior as everyone on here. My concern is that the whole electronic mess is problem ridden, not that it is digital. I mean, progress is unavoidable.
You're still getting a practical 315 hp AWD car that doesn't look like a cartoon character. And RON, from what I read you can configure the dash anyway you want so that you could only see a compass, for instance. Also monitors, boost, transmission temp, etc. I mean, I'm just as old fashioned as the next guy on here, but it still seems like a desirable vehicle to me. I mean, if we have an electric car like a Tesla, nobody is bitching about all the electronic displays, but they really should have left the Mk. 1 interior AS IS?
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coogles wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:17 pmbut I think there's been a lot of negative feedback already for the move to all things digital in cars. Progress is great, but progress implies improvement. This isn't that. It's change for the sake of making something cheaper to manufacture or just for the sake of change itself.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:09 pm I'm not entirely sure I'm as seppuku on the new Mk 8 R/GTI interior as everyone on here. My concern is that the whole electronic mess is problem ridden, not that it is digital. I mean, progress is unavoidable.
You're still getting a practical 315 hp AWD car that doesn't look like a cartoon character. And RON, from what I read you can configure the dash anyway you want so that you could only see a compass, for instance. Also monitors, boost, transmission temp, etc. I mean, I'm just as old fashioned as the next guy on here, but it still seems like a desirable vehicle to me. I mean, if we have an electric car like a Tesla, nobody is bitching about all the electronic displays, but they really should have left the Mk. 1 interior AS IS?
One simple button to perform one simple task without needing to take your eyes off the road vs several haptic taps to perform the same task while having to stare at the screen for several seconds.........no comparison.
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