Lol, no offense taken and a valid comment. I'm coming to terms that the Type R is the wrong choice for my current situation, and a Outback XT checks a lot of the boxes for what I want from a car.
Trying to figure out what other cars would fit the bill for me that I would want to own as well, but am coming up short. Crosstrek is another option but I think I'd miss having more power and the XT has 260hp. Which trim level(s) have you driven?
What do you want out of a car right now?
The Type R is 95% as practical as long as 4 seats are enough and there’s no desire to do some soft-roading. I’ll never even drive mine on a gravel road most likely, but at least the ride height is in sort of that Goldilocks zone for loading and unloading crotchfruit.
I’ve driven two XT models, the Limited and the Touring. The FA24 is torquey, the car as a whole doesn’t do anything weird dynamically. They’re fine. But they’re merely appliance cars.
The Type R is 95% as practical as long as 4 seats are enough and there’s no desire to do some soft-roading. I’ll never even drive mine on a gravel road most likely, but at least the ride height is in sort of that Goldilocks zone for loading and unloading crotchfruit.
I’ve driven two XT models, the Limited and the Touring. The FA24 is torquey, the car as a whole doesn’t do anything weird dynamically. They’re fine. But they’re merely appliance cars.
Iirc the idea of owning a super hot hatch is better than the reality of owning one for him. He wants a less brittle, and harsh feeling car as a daily driver.
CaleDeRoo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:26 am
The new Q3 is pretty damn nice too. The old was was frumpy as hell but the new one is fantastic.
I really wish we had a Mazderp by us, this would have been high on the list.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
The Type R is 95% as practical as long as 4 seats are enough and there’s no desire to do some soft-roading. I’ll never even drive mine on a gravel road most likely, but at least the ride height is in sort of that Goldilocks zone for loading and unloading crotchfruit.
I’ve driven two XT models, the Limited and the Touring. The FA24 is torquey, the car as a whole doesn’t do anything weird dynamically. They’re fine. But they’re merely appliance cars.
Iirc the idea of owning a super hot hatch is better than the reality of owning one for him. He wants a less brittle, and harsh feeling car as a daily driver.
I am 0% surprised.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
The Type R is 95% as practical as long as 4 seats are enough and there’s no desire to do some soft-roading. I’ll never even drive mine on a gravel road most likely, but at least the ride height is in sort of that Goldilocks zone for loading and unloading crotchfruit.
I’ve driven two XT models, the Limited and the Touring. The FA24 is torquey, the car as a whole doesn’t do anything weird dynamically. They’re fine. But they’re merely appliance cars.
Iirc the idea of owning a super hot hatch is better than the reality of owning one for him. He wants a less brittle, and harsh feeling car as a daily driver.
CaleDeRoo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:26 am
The new Q3 is pretty damn nice too. The old was was frumpy as hell but the new one is fantastic.
My $40k would go here vs an Outback.
Or a CPO Allroad/A5 SB
Q3 drives like complete SHIT. For a lease Q5 is the better car and within the lease payment range.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:05 pm
DFD. The forum where everybody makes the same choices and then tells anybody trying to join the club that they are the stupidest motherfucker to ever walk the earth.
Q3 drives like complete SHIT. For a lease Q5 is the better car and within the lease payment range.
My experience is the opposite. Did you drive the current gen or the last one?
Last gen. But a few of my friends drove the current since they get them as courtesy loaners. They complain it’s clunky, lots of body roll/body movement and generally doesn’t feel as planted as a Q5.
If the car is a lease, I think the Q5 is the way to go.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:05 pm
DFD. The forum where everybody makes the same choices and then tells anybody trying to join the club that they are the stupidest motherfucker to ever walk the earth.
My experience is the opposite. Did you drive the current gen or the last one?
Last gen. But a few of my friends drove the current since they get them as courtesy loaners. They complain it’s clunky, lots of body roll/body movement and generally doesn’t feel as planted as a Q5.
If the car is a lease, I think the Q5 is the way to go.
The last gen was pre mqb, which I said is frumpy as hell. The Q3 doesn't feel as planted because it's mqb vs the Q5 which is an Audi platform which makes sense but you also pay for that difference.
I'd Allroad if I had to. The 2.0/7 speed DSG combo is nice, and the package as whole wouldn't be a bad way to about if you need some extra suspension travel.
I'm glad everyone is coming to the same conclusion I did: Just hang up the idea of a fun daily. Too many compromises. Best to get the most utilitarian and comfortable thing possible, and then a separate fun car if you have the space. Driving either makes me appreciate the other.
MrH42 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:32 am
I'm glad everyone is coming to the same conclusion I did: Just hang up the idea of a fun daily. Too many compromises. Best to get the most utilitarian and comfortable thing possible, and then a separate fun car if you have the space. Driving either makes me appreciate the other.
MrH42 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:32 am
I'm glad everyone is coming to the same conclusion I did: Just hang up the idea of a fun daily. Too many compromises. Best to get the most utilitarian and comfortable thing possible, and then a separate fun car if you have the space. Driving either makes me appreciate the other.
This is the way.
Utilitarian appliance toaster for daily duties/NFG driving/etc.
Fun project car.
If the space and budget allows
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:05 pm
DFD. The forum where everybody makes the same choices and then tells anybody trying to join the club that they are the stupidest motherfucker to ever walk the earth.
MrH42 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:32 am
I'm glad everyone is coming to the same conclusion I did: Just hang up the idea of a fun daily. Too many compromises. Best to get the most utilitarian and comfortable thing possible, and then a separate fun car if you have the space. Driving either makes me appreciate the other.
This is the way.
Utilitarian appliance toaster for daily duties/NFG driving/etc.
Fun project car.
If the space and budget allows
If you do have the room and budget for a real weekend toy then sure, by all means, rock that daily driver and dedicated sports car. But if you don't and you're still an auto enthusiast, I personally can't imagine willingly giving up a good compromise car like a GTI, Golf R, Civic Type R, 3-series, whatever, for a purely utilitarian daily. Chris clearly is over his desire for a sports car. Me? I'm going to go batshit two months into Outback ownership.
Utilitarian appliance toaster for daily duties/NFG driving/etc.
Fun project car.
If the space and budget allows
If you do have the room and budget for a real weekend toy then sure, by all means, rock that daily driver and dedicated sports car. But if you don't and you're still an auto enthusiast, I personally can't imagine willingly giving up a good compromise car like a GTI, Golf R, Civic Type R, 3-series, whatever, for a purely utilitarian daily. Chris clearly is over his desire for a sports car. Me? I'm going to go batshit two months into Outback ownership.
For me, it's any other toy. Cars just aren't that important to me anymore. I'm happy with my boat, the bicycles, and the opportunity for others (like a side by side). I just don't get that much enjoyment out of an overpriced sporty car, there's nowhere to really enjoy them anyway.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:27 amFor me, it's any other toy. Cars just aren't that important to me anymore. I'm happy with my boat, the bicycles, and the opportunity for others (like a side by side). I just don't get that much enjoyment out of an overpriced sporty car, there's nowhere to really enjoy them anyway.
Right, you're clearly over having something sporty. Personally I enjoy my GTI every single time I hop behind the wheel - it gives me something to have a bit of fun with every time I have to go anywhere.
Lol, no offense taken and a valid comment. I'm coming to terms that the Type R is the wrong choice for my current situation, and a Outback XT checks a lot of the boxes for what I want from a car.
Trying to figure out what other cars would fit the bill for me that I would want to own as well, but am coming up short. Crosstrek is another option but I think I'd miss having more power and the XT has 260hp. Which trim level(s) have you driven?
What do you want out of a car right now?
75ish% of the miles I put on my cars are from road trips a few times a year. The other 25% is on pitted out city streets barely breaking 30mph, which is my daily driving.
I'd like something that has the following:
Decent fuel economy
Comfortable on long drives
Ability to drive on service roads
Decent cargo space for trips and
Automatic
Something where I won't care about every scratch/imperfection
Dropping the Type R to 18s would solve some of my complaints, but it still would limit places I can take it to and how much time I spend thinking about how it (is this space for enough away? Is that a new swirl mark? Etc). I want a car that complements my life, not a car that I have to sacrifice certain things for.
I'll admit I totally buy into the Subaru lifestyle brand which is why I don't think I'd find any of them completely soulless. My immediate family has had many and loved them all. Hell, I'm pretty sure my brother likes his Crosstrek more than his M4.
The Type R is 95% as practical as long as 4 seats are enough and there’s no desire to do some soft-roading. I’ll never even drive mine on a gravel road most likely, but at least the ride height is in sort of that Goldilocks zone for loading and unloading crotchfruit.
I’ve driven two XT models, the Limited and the Touring. The FA24 is torquey, the car as a whole doesn’t do anything weird dynamically. They’re fine. But they’re merely appliance cars.
I did this somewhat regularly before the Type R. Would take the GTI up service roads NFG to get to good hiking spots.
75ish% of the miles I put on my cars are from road trips a few times a year. The other 25% is on pitted out city streets barely breaking 30mph, which is my daily driving.
I'd like something that has the following:
Decent fuel economy
Comfortable on long drives
Ability to drive on service roads
Decent cargo space for trips and
Automatic
Something where I won't care about every scratch/imperfection
Dropping the Type R to 18s would solve some of my complaints, but it still would limit places I can take it to and how much time I spend thinking about how it (is this space for enough away? Is that a new swirl mark? Etc). I want a car that complements my life, not a car that I have to sacrifice certain things for.
I'll admit I totally buy into the Subaru lifestyle brand which is why I don't think I'd find any of them completely soulless. My immediate family has had many and loved them all. Hell, I'm pretty sure my brother likes his Crosstrek more than his M4.
Man, so much this. It's why I like the Crosstrek so much. It just does what I want and manages to inject a bit of sportiness that makes it feel fun enough to not be soul sucking. A lifted hatchback is not the same as most crossovers on the market. It's why I see the appeal of the Outback too. We just didn't want a car that big, and the budget fit the Crosstrek Sport better than a 2.4t Outback.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm
My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Q3 drives like complete SHIT. For a lease Q5 is the better car and within the lease payment range.
My bad, I only drove one once, have a friend who drives multiple Audis and drive Q3’s as loaners and another friend who worked in sales at one of the highest volume Audi dealers to back me up.
tho
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:05 pm
DFD. The forum where everybody makes the same choices and then tells anybody trying to join the club that they are the stupidest motherfucker to ever walk the earth.
by us, this would have been high on the list.
about if you need some extra suspension travel.
tho