This.
The jokes have all been said, the comments have all lost their meaning.
Just live your life and let others live theirs.
I really don't give a damn now.
Just kind of curious why it is such a one way street with some of you. I don't really care but I am trying to understand the mindset.
My thing is this - your own mask actually does more for others than for you. So when the collective US had no protection but masks, I think as a basic courtesy to your common countrymen, you should wear the damn thing and prevent the spread. Now we have a much, much more effective solution that is a one (well two) time inconvenience and then worry-free. So I did that and now I don't really need to worry about the masks. If others still want to wear them, go for it. If others want to not get vaccinated, go for it I guess. As mentioned in my post re: the country concert, I'm sure people got COVID at that event, that was their choice to attend and take that risk. I would've never gone to that pre-vax, mask or not.max225 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 5:38 pmJust kind of curious why it is such a one way street with some of you. I don't really care but I am trying to understand the mindset.
Because before it was all about shaming those without masks because they are "trumpers" yet now it's like a "I don't have a mask and proud because I am vaxxxed" thing. Yet we all know vaccines are no where near 100% effective, a shit ton of people are still sick daily etc, and you can clearly still spread the "deadly virus" to grandma.
So the reversal is curious to me.
There is no right answer here, I just think one should have the freedom to choose to wear or not to wear, to VAXX or not. clearly
I just don't like the group think. The gov has proven to us over and over again that they are completely incapable at giving solid guidance and that everything has turned politicized and spun from both sides. I think we need to stick to fundamentals. Freedom to do what you want to do is essential and shouldn't be punished by some sort of "sCiEnCe" based agenda. When you can't openly state facts about the matter without someone getting to no end.D Griff wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 5:44 pmMy thing is this - your own mask actually does more for others than for you. So when the collective US had no protection but masks, I think as a basic courtesy to your common countrymen, you should wear the damn thing and prevent the spread. Now we have a much, much more effective solution that is a one (well two) time inconvenience and then worry-free. So I did that and now I don't really need to worry about the masks. If others still want to wear them, go for it. If others want to not get vaccinated, go for it I guess. As mentioned in my post re: the country concert, I'm sure people got COVID at that event, that was their choice to attend and take that risk. I would've never gone to that pre-vax, mask or not.max225 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 5:38 pm
Just kind of curious why it is such a one way street with some of you. I don't really care but I am trying to understand the mindset.
Because before it was all about shaming those without masks because they are "trumpers" yet now it's like a "I don't have a mask and proud because I am vaxxxed" thing. Yet we all know vaccines are no where near 100% effective, a shit ton of people are still sick daily etc, and you can clearly still spread the "deadly virus" to grandma.
So the reversal is curious to me.
There is no right answer here, I just think one should have the freedom to choose to wear or not to wear, to VAXX or not. clearly
I think it is sort of like drunk driving. Want to ride a bicycle drunk? Go for it if you want man, you might crash and get hurt, not my fucking problem. Drunk driving a car though, you could kill not only yourself but also others, so not cool. When masks were all that we had, I viewed not wearing one as basically equivalent to drunk driving. Now that vaccines are available for those who choose to get them, I see not wearing a mask as more like drunk bike riding.
Large difference between people who followed scientific guidance and those who saw it as a symbol of oppression.max225 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 5:38 pmJust kind of curious why it is such a one way street with some of you. I don't really care but I am trying to understand the mindset.
Because before it was all about shaming those without masks because they are "trumpers" yet now it's like a "I don't have a mask and proud because I am vaxxxed" thing. Yet we all know vaccines are no where near 100% effective, a shit ton of people are still sick daily etc, and you can clearly still spread the "deadly virus" to grandma.
So the reversal is curious to me.
There is no right answer here, I just think one should have the freedom to choose to wear or not to wear, to VAXX or not. clearly
The scientific community did they best with what they're could. They're only humans too, learning about this as they go.max225 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 5:53 pmI just don't like the group think. The gov has proven to us over and over again that they are completely incapable at giving solid guidance and that everything has turned politicized and spun from both sides. I think we need to stick to fundamentals. Freedom to do what you want to do is essential and shouldn't be punished by some sort of "sCiEnCe" based agenda. When you can't openly state facts about the matter without someone getting to no end.D Griff wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 5:44 pm
My thing is this - your own mask actually does more for others than for you. So when the collective US had no protection but masks, I think as a basic courtesy to your common countrymen, you should wear the damn thing and prevent the spread. Now we have a much, much more effective solution that is a one (well two) time inconvenience and then worry-free. So I did that and now I don't really need to worry about the masks. If others still want to wear them, go for it. If others want to not get vaccinated, go for it I guess. As mentioned in my post re: the country concert, I'm sure people got COVID at that event, that was their choice to attend and take that risk. I would've never gone to that pre-vax, mask or not.
I think it is sort of like drunk driving. Want to ride a bicycle drunk? Go for it if you want man, you might crash and get hurt, not my fucking problem. Drunk driving a car though, you could kill not only yourself but also others, so not cool. When masks were all that we had, I viewed not wearing one as basically equivalent to drunk driving. Now that vaccines are available for those who choose to get them, I see not wearing a mask as more like drunk bike riding.
It is quite clear that we still don't fully understand this disease/vaccines/final outcome of all this.
There are also plenty of people in the middle smart enough to know that the "scientific" guidance was spun political BS and continues to be so. The amount of disinformation on both sides of the political spectrum has turned this whole thing into an epic shit show.Melon wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 5:56 pmLarge difference between people who followed scientific guidance and those who saw it as a symbol of oppression.max225 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 5:38 pm
Just kind of curious why it is such a one way street with some of you. I don't really care but I am trying to understand the mindset.
Because before it was all about shaming those without masks because they are "trumpers" yet now it's like a "I don't have a mask and proud because I am vaxxxed" thing. Yet we all know vaccines are no where near 100% effective, a shit ton of people are still sick daily etc, and you can clearly still spread the "deadly virus" to grandma.
So the reversal is curious to me.
There is no right answer here, I just think one should have the freedom to choose to wear or not to wear, to VAXX or not. clearly
As far as making fun of each other about it, well *motions vaguely at every argument of 2020* it seems inevitable.
But masks, social distancing, and sanitization were such basic things they were not spun. The public used them as symbols of underlying political leanings, but overall, they were so basic they were above the fray.max225 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 5:58 pmThere are also plenty of people in the middle smart enough to know that the "scientific" guidance was spun political BS and continues to be so. The amount of disinformation on both sides of the political spectrum has turned this whole thing into an epic shit show.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:05 pm DFD. The forum where everybody makes the same choices and then tells anybody trying to join the club that they are the stupidest motherfucker to ever walk the earth.
How about double masks ?Melon wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 6:06 pmBut masks, social distancing, and sanitization were such basic things they were not spun. The public used them as symbols of underlying political leanings, but overall, they were so basic they were above the fray.max225 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 5:58 pm
There are also plenty of people in the middle smart enough to know that the "scientific" guidance was spun political BS and continues to be so. The amount of disinformation on both sides of the political spectrum has turned this whole thing into an epic shit show.
I just don't follow you on that statement when it applies to masks.
Perhaps “flip flopping” was simply adjusting guidance based on the analysis of the data?max225 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:13 pmHow about double masks ?Melon wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 6:06 pm
But masks, social distancing, and sanitization were such basic things they were not spun. The public used them as symbols of underlying political leanings, but overall, they were so basic they were above the fray.
I just don't follow you on that statement when it applies to masks.
No masks required to masks required etc?
Also the CDC already stated that the virus has almost no chance of being transmitted through surface contacts. So.... Yea not sure what you're not following my point was that the source of our "science" is flip flopping and recommending various things that are frequently contradictory. Discrediting the "science".
4zilch wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:54 amPerhaps “flip flopping” was simply adjusting guidance based on the analysis of the data?max225 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:13 pm
How about double masks ?
No masks required to masks required etc?
Also the CDC already stated that the virus has almost no chance of being transmitted through surface contacts. So.... Yea not sure what you're not following my point was that the source of our "science" is flip flopping and recommending various things that are frequently contradictory. Discrediting the "science".
Early pandemic:
Let’s err the side of caution and wash hands and sanitize surface. We know diseases can spread this way.
Later pandemic:
Hey guys we’ve got all this data analyzed now and it doesn’t look like COVID is being transmitted via hand/mouth/eye. Hand washing and surface sanitization isn’t as important as we thought.
It’s like none of ya’ll have ever experienced an unknown, difficult to solve problem. There’s lots of reassessments reassessments as new data becomes available....one day I’ll tell ya’ll a story about fuel pump failures that took us 4 years to figure out.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
So you've never changed your mind based on new information.max225 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:13 pmHow about double masks ?Melon wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 6:06 pm
But masks, social distancing, and sanitization were such basic things they were not spun. The public used them as symbols of underlying political leanings, but overall, they were so basic they were above the fray.
I just don't follow you on that statement when it applies to masks.
No masks required to masks required etc?
Also the CDC already stated that the virus has almost no chance of being transmitted through surface contacts. So.... Yea not sure what you're not following my point was that the source of our "science" is flip flopping and recommending various things that are frequently contradictory. Discrediting the "science".
How does the truth change?Melon wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:53 amSo you've never changed your mind based on new information.max225 wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 8:13 pm
How about double masks ?
No masks required to masks required etc?
Also the CDC already stated that the virus has almost no chance of being transmitted through surface contacts. So.... Yea not sure what you're not following my point was that the source of our "science" is flip flopping and recommending various things that are frequently contradictory. Discrediting the "science".
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Detroit wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 7:04 am4zilch wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:54 am
Perhaps “flip flopping” was simply adjusting guidance based on the analysis of the data?
Early pandemic:
Let’s err the side of caution and wash hands and sanitize surface. We know diseases can spread this way.
Later pandemic:
Hey guys we’ve got all this data analyzed now and it doesn’t look like COVID is being transmitted via hand/mouth/eye. Hand washing and surface sanitization isn’t as important as we thought.
It’s like none of ya’ll have ever experienced an unknown, difficult to solve problem. There’s lots of reassessments reassessments as new data becomes available....one day I’ll tell ya’ll a story about fuel pump failures that took us 4 years to figure out.