Tire Kicking By Griff

[ChrisoftheNorth]

120K Bro miles for $23K? Wow, no.

Oh there are examples with half the miles for that... but it's local and at a so I could at least test drive for

Kick the shit out of the tires...unless they won't let you without a deposit.

It would be a good car to drive for IMO

[Apex]

Oh there are examples with half the miles for that... but it's local and at a so I could at least test drive for

Kick the shit out of the tires...unless they won't let you without a deposit.

It would be a good car to drive for IMO

[max225]

120K Bro miles for $23K? Wow, no.

Oh there are examples with half the miles for that... but it's local and at a so I could at least test drive for

I think you should. It was one of the best “drivers” cars of the 2000s

[CaleDeRoo]

Rusty Evo 8/9 are that price with those miles. EVO prices are crazy, but I think they split the difference well between a leg lifting Mini and a E90 or something.

At stock power levels though I'm not sure it would be entertaining enough?

[D Griff]

Rusty Evo 8/9 are that price with those miles. EVO prices are crazy, but I think they split the difference well between a leg lifting Mini and a E90 or something.

At stock power levels though I'm not sure it would be entertaining enough?

Definitely not C5 fast... but I’d be curious to see what they’re like. I’ve never driven a sporty AWD car in my life, closest I’ve come was an A6 which was not exciting.

[D Griff]

I’ll call the tomorrow.

[max225]

I’ll call the tomorrow.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Rusty Evo 8/9 are that price with those miles. EVO prices are crazy, but I think they split the difference well between a leg lifting Mini and a E90 or something.

At stock power levels though I'm not sure it would be entertaining enough?

Definitely not C5 fast... but I’d be curious to see what they’re like. I’ve never driven a sporty AWD car in my life, closest I’ve come was an A6 which was not exciting.

Not even a WRX?

Powerful AWD cars are just I love them. Definitely drive one.

[D Griff]

Definitely not C5 fast... but I’d be curious to see what they’re like. I’ve never driven a sporty AWD car in my life, closest I’ve come was an A6 which was not exciting.

Not even a WRX?

Powerful AWD cars are just I love them. Definitely drive one.

Actually I did test drive a WRX once, it was fun. Forgot about that.

I feel like I’ll drive the Evo and be like “not as good as the Corvette” but maybe not. I’m excited to try it as it’s just so different than anything I’ve tried. Such poverty though... 5 speed manual in 2014

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Not even a WRX?

Powerful AWD cars are just I love them. Definitely drive one.

Actually I did test drive a WRX once, it was fun. Forgot about that.

I feel like I’ll drive the Evo and be like “not as good as the Corvette” but maybe not. I’m excited to try it as it’s just so different than anything I’ve tried. Such poverty though... 5 speed manual in 2014

It is not as good as a Corvette.

My last Evo experience was a buddy's VIIII at Laguna Seca. I had my 951, and we swapped cars for a session. Half way through, I wanted my 951 back and at the end my buddy asked to trade for the rest of the day

The EVO was insane, fast, grip everywhere, but almost too good because ultimately it felt boring. There's no challenge, it's just fast and sticks. Different kind of fun, just not for me.

[Johnny_P]

[CaleDeRoo]

Wow I was gonna say go full retard on a RHD GT-R but they've doubled in price the last couple years.

[razr390]

Wow I was gonna say go full retard on a RHD GT-R but they've doubled in price the last couple years.

90s Japan bubble is growing.

They are being imported more and more too... FL is a hotbed for them

https://jdmsportclassics.com/inventory/ ... =available

[4zilch]

Definitely not C5 fast... but I’d be curious to see what they’re like. I’ve never driven a sporty AWD car in my life, closest I’ve come was an A6 which was not exciting.

Not even a WRX?

Powerful AWD cars are just I love them. Definitely drive one.

Fun in the snow, kind of meh on dry pavement unless they’ve been engineered to be a bit tail happy.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Not even a WRX?

Powerful AWD cars are just I love them. Definitely drive one.

Fun in the snow, kind of meh on dry pavement unless they’ve been engineered to be a bit tail happy.

I always find them in the sense that they grip so much they feel like they defy physics. Problem is that ends up being boring. Give me a tail happy RWD any day.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

GTR is a prime example of that. Defies physics, yet manages to feel boring after a while.

[coogles]

Not even a WRX?

Powerful AWD cars are just I love them. Definitely drive one.

Fun in the snow, kind of meh on dry pavement unless they’ve been engineered to be a bit tail happy.

The STi was...good, not great. The factory alignment was definitely set up in a way that didn't encourage silliness. Subaru sets them up with about 1* of negative camber up front but about 2.5* in the rear, plus they're double wishbone out back so they gain camber as the suspension compresses. Not the best recipe for tail out fun other than on the throttle with the center diff biasing the power toward the rear end. Every comparison ever filmed or written seems to indicate the Evo is happier to dance in stock form, though.

There are of course ways to balance out the STi's handling, but it takes money. Coilovers with camber plates up front and springs with at least balanced rates front to back, if not slightly higher in the back, and camber arms for the rear so it can be set up closer to 2.5* up front and 1* out back. A rear sway doesn't hurt, either.

[4zilch]

Fun in the snow, kind of meh on dry pavement unless they’ve been engineered to be a bit tail happy.

I always find them in the sense that they grip so much they feel like they defy physics. Problem is that ends up being boring. Give me a tail happy RWD any day.

The grip is interesting, however, I find they're usually prone to understeer on the throttle like a FWD car when you're exploring the traction limits -

The inability to steer it with the throttle may be a better way to put it.

[4zilch]

Fun in the snow, kind of meh on dry pavement unless they’ve been engineered to be a bit tail happy.

The STi was...good, not great. The factory alignment was definitely set up in a way that didn't encourage silliness. Subaru sets them up with about 1* of negative camber up front but about 2.5* in the rear, plus they're double wishbone out back so they gain camber as the suspension compresses. Not the best recipe for tail out fun other than on the throttle with the center diff biasing the power toward the rear end. Every comparison ever filmed or written seems to indicate the Evo is happier to dance in stock form, though.

There are of course ways to balance out the STi's handling, but it takes money. Coilovers with camber plates up front and springs with at least balanced rates front to back, if not slightly higher in the back, and camber arms for the rear so it can be set up closer to 2.5* up front and 1* out back. A rear sway doesn't hurt, either.

Yeah, a thicc rear sway used to be the poor-mans recipe to getting my WRX to rotate.

The Fiesta rotates more than my WRX ever did. 5/7 more fun and probably quicker in most dry scenarios. High speed sweepers might get the nod to the WRX if only because the Fiesta is nervous, bordering on twitchy in high speed stuff. Hard to be confident in those scenarios

[D Griff]

Actually I did test drive a WRX once, it was fun. Forgot about that.

I feel like I’ll drive the Evo and be like “not as good as the Corvette” but maybe not. I’m excited to try it as it’s just so different than anything I’ve tried. Such poverty though... 5 speed manual in 2014

It is not as good as a Corvette.

My last Evo experience was a buddy's VIIII at Laguna Seca. I had my 951, and we swapped cars for a session. Half way through, I wanted my 951 back and at the end my buddy asked to trade for the rest of the day

The EVO was insane, fast, grip everywhere, but almost too good because ultimately it felt boring. There's no challenge, it's just fast and sticks. Different kind of fun, just not for me.

Something like that sort of test would be ideal, but hopefully the short experience will at least open my eyes to whether or not I have any interest. Visiting a Mitsu with an 810 credit score will be as well.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

I always find them in the sense that they grip so much they feel like they defy physics. Problem is that ends up being boring. Give me a tail happy RWD any day.

The grip is interesting, however, I find they're usually prone to understeer on the throttle like a FWD car when you're exploring the traction limits -

The inability to steer it with the throttle may be a better way to put it.

yep, agreed. They're not playful with the throttle at all.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

It is not as good as a Corvette.

My last Evo experience was a buddy's VIIII at Laguna Seca. I had my 951, and we swapped cars for a session. Half way through, I wanted my 951 back and at the end my buddy asked to trade for the rest of the day

The EVO was insane, fast, grip everywhere, but almost too good because ultimately it felt boring. There's no challenge, it's just fast and sticks. Different kind of fun, just not for me.

Something like that sort of test would be ideal, but hopefully the short experience will at least open my eyes to whether or not I have any interest. Visiting a Mitsu with an 810 credit score will be as well.

If they run your credit, they'll probably assume it's an error.

When we bought the JL, they took forever to run my credit, said they had to double check everything because they never saw a credit score that high. The benefit of going to a dealer in the hood, they rolled out the red carpet.

[D Griff]

The STi was...good, not great. The factory alignment was definitely set up in a way that didn't encourage silliness. Subaru sets them up with about 1* of negative camber up front but about 2.5* in the rear, plus they're double wishbone out back so they gain camber as the suspension compresses. Not the best recipe for tail out fun other than on the throttle with the center diff biasing the power toward the rear end. Every comparison ever filmed or written seems to indicate the Evo is happier to dance in stock form, though.

There are of course ways to balance out the STi's handling, but it takes money. Coilovers with camber plates up front and springs with at least balanced rates front to back, if not slightly higher in the back, and camber arms for the rear so it can be set up closer to 2.5* up front and 1* out back. A rear sway doesn't hurt, either.

Yeah, a thicc rear sway used to be the poor-mans recipe to getting my WRX to rotate.

The Fiesta rotates more than my WRX ever did. 5/7 more fun and probably quicker in most dry scenarios. High speed sweepers might get the nod to the WRX if only because the Fiesta is nervous, bordering on twitchy in high speed stuff. Hard to be confident in those scenarios

Interesting. This is sort of what I suspect walking away thinking (no snow here really). I like the idea of just trying something completely different, but a CTR is likely a more fun and interesting vehicle and has the advantage of not being a shitbox.

[D Griff]

Something like that sort of test would be ideal, but hopefully the short experience will at least open my eyes to whether or not I have any interest. Visiting a Mitsu with an 810 credit score will be as well.

If they run your credit, they'll probably assume it's an error.

When we bought the JL, they took forever to run my credit, said they had to double check everything because they never saw a credit score that high. The benefit of going to a dealer in the hood, they rolled out the red carpet.

This Mitsu place is in a part of Charlotte I don't think I've been more than once or twice in 26 years of living here

Kind of busy with work, haven't called yet.

[max225]

Something like that sort of test would be ideal, but hopefully the short experience will at least open my eyes to whether or not I have any interest. Visiting a Mitsu with an 810 credit score will be as well.

If they run your credit, they'll probably assume it's an error.

When we bought the JL, they took forever to run my credit, said they had to double check everything because they never saw a credit score that high. The benefit of going to a dealer in the hood, they rolled out the red carpet.

Toyota had to “run my credit” because I paid cash. They were worried about bounced checks... which they told me happened. I could have caused a stink but I figured it’s not worth my while. I was in and out with a new car in 30 min quickest transaction I have had.