OT XXX: COVID Off Topic

[Tar]

I will be in and out of OT today, but would love to start the discussion on a positive note... in cases where a patient is feeling like they need medical attention has anyone on the forum heard of a drug/supplement that is effective in reducing the symptoms at this point?

Ideas presented so far are a refreshing tall glass of bleach , but I'm

[max225]

Is it more deadly than the flu ? Chances of death post contraction.

Facts only, real question.

[Tar]

Is it more deadly than the flu ? Chances of death post contraction.

Facts only, real question.

I have read that some people are hit with inflammation of the heart and lungs, blood clotting, and/or a similar phenomenon to Kawasaki disease in young kids. One guy who had it twice says he was asymptomatic completely the second time so to me it sounds like it depends a lot on how a person's body reacts to it, maybe based on if their immune system knows how to

[max225]

Is it more deadly than the flu ? Chances of death post contraction.

Facts only, real question.

Far far far more deadly.

Current COVID mortality rate is about 4% and a "bad" flu season is about 0.1%

Can you back up that 4% with facts? This would require proper sample sizing of everyone who's gotten it, as the official Covid infection number is off by a factor of 4-10

[max225]

Can you back up that 4% with facts? This would require proper sample sizing of everyone who's gotten it, as the official Covid infection number is off by a factor of 4-10

Your assumption is incorrect as we don't do that sizing with the flu either. In fact, as a percentage far more symptomatic people are tested for COVID than the flu. So, while both might be over stated, it's far more overstated with the flu than with COVID.

To say otherwise is conspiracy. Period. And I'll delete it.

Have fun learning. The CDC is truly a decent source too but since you don't believe it I give you an alternative.

https://www.nejm.org/coronavirus

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracke ... rveillance

Quote with facts. According to the CDC our infection rate is 9X higher than actual case count.

[max225]

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracke ... rveillance

Quote with facts. According to the CDC our infection rate is 9X higher than actual case count.

Anddddd? Did you look at my links at all? This takes no perspective into account (nor should it, but your question requires perspective).

I didn't because you disregarded my question. You quoted a 4% death rate, which i provided further facts to, as it seems (provided link).

[razr390]

I am here for the mask on gang bang

[max225]

I didn't because you disregarded my question. You quoted a 4% death rate, which I have no back up for because your base is completely wrong, (provided link).

Bruh. If you're going to use the CDC, learn how to read the data.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/covid-19.htm

All you can go on is the reported rates, the same errors exist for the flu as covid and are likely HIGHER in the flu. COVID is approximately 40x as deadly. Period. This isnt up for debate here. It's not up for debate anywhere frankly, but people love to lie.

I read data for a living. So I'd like for you to explain to me how the 4% death rate works when the actual infection rate is 9x higher than the reported rate as per my earlier quoted link.

And yes this is obviously up for debate.

[max225]

I read data for a living. So I'd like for you to explain to me how the 4% death rate works when the actual infection rate is 9x higher than the reported rate as per my earlier quoted link.

And yes this is obviously up for debate.

You don't work in the medical field, rates are calculated on diagnosed cases. Period.

So if someone was not diagnosed with it, it becomes irrelevant because a non diagnosed infection doesn't exist? Great logic to follow.

[max225]

So if someone was not diagnosed with it, it becomes irrelevant because a non diagnosed infection doesn't exist? Great logic to follow.

That's how medical death rates work, flu and COVID and everything else. You know how people used to die of "natural causes" all the time back in the day then all of a sudden everyone died of cancer and heart attacks?

We know about 4% of diagnosed cases of COVID result in death. We know that less than .1% of diagnosed cases of flu result in death. We also know that for both there are a large number of cases undiagnosed and some deaths that are missed, that's irrelevant to how they do mortality rates of cases (you're welcome to think this is a bad system but it's the same system for cancer and covid and everything else). What it does tell us is the comparatively deadliness of different diseases, not the specific run rate of deaths. On that comparative basis we know COVID is approximately 40x as deadly as the flu.

Can't confirm or deny your assumption on the 40X as deadly. It seems like we need more time to further understand the final tally, as the unknowns can skew the data by enormous correction factors.

[Melon]

Can we not do this, yet again?

[Melon]

Y'all aren't being dicks.

I saw this heading down the path of yet another covid argument.

[4zilch]

[MexicanYarisTK]

Let me get my n95 mask first

[Devilchrono]

So if someone was not diagnosed with it, it becomes irrelevant because a non diagnosed infection doesn't exist? Great logic to follow.

That's how medical death rates work, flu and COVID and everything else. You know how people used to die of "natural causes" all the time back in the day then all of a sudden everyone died of cancer and heart attacks?

We know about 4% of diagnosed cases of COVID result in death. We know that less than .1% of diagnosed cases of flu result in death. We also know that for both there are a large number of cases undiagnosed and some deaths that are missed, that's irrelevant to how they do mortality rates of cases (you're welcome to think this is a bad system but it's the same system for cancer and covid and everything else). What it does tell us is the comparatively deadliness of different diseases, not the specific run rate of deaths. On that comparative basis we know COVID is approximately 40x as deadly as the flu.

I don't have time to dig for the articles and stuff sent me (will try to find them this evening) but I'm taking a lot of my data about this from someone with first hand experience. My brother in law is a head ER nurse at one of the largest level 1 trauma centers in the area, and we talk every couple days about this. Everything that they've seen in the ER with this disease 6+ months in shows that it's still going to get worse before it gets better. I know 2 people personally that have had it, and recovered, but are suffering severe effects after the fact. 2 of my wife's coworkers have had family die from it.

The fact that there's about 1/3 of this country that isn't taking this seriously is why we're in the fucked up mess that we are, and I'm honestly tired of it. My state is literally 'fend for yourself' with each county and/or city is doing their own thing because the state itself refuses to get involved.

[user not found], thank you for the link to NEJM, I'll try to dig through them in between meetings today; as much as this topic/debate pisses me off, I do want to try and be more knowledgeable about it.

[Huckleberry]

Despite my objections to it being completely unnecessary, HR and EHS have mandated that we put signage in the parking lots promoting social distancing between cars. So, I revised the corporate-approved signage with some Universal properties.







I thought about doing one with Tom Cruise's "The Mummy" keeping a 6ft distance from ticket sales.

[Apex]

Despite my objections to it being completely unnecessary, HR and EHS have mandated that we put signage in the parking lots promoting social distancing between cars. So, I revised the corporate-approved signage with some Universal properties.







I thought about doing one with Tom Cruise's "The Mummy" keeping a 6ft distance from ticket sales.

[Melon]

Despite my objections to it being completely unnecessary, HR and EHS have mandated that we put signage in the parking lots promoting social distancing between cars. So, I revised the corporate-approved signage with some Universal properties.

Did me a giggle.

[wap]

Dat Munstermobile!

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Dat Munstermobile!

That's actually Dragula...from an episode where they wanted to go drag Racing.

Here's the Munstermobile...



Both cars were designed and built by George Barris.

[wap]

FYI, there's a raging "debate" on the Dead Zone about Covfefe-19, with some -loving retard named zrickety arguing that it's all and an ex military dr. or medic shooting down each comment with . It's weirdly entertaining. At one point it devolved to them calling each other potato.
https://www.golfmk7.com/forums/index.ph ... -2.376489/
120 pages of since July.

[wap]

Dat Munstermobile!

That's actually Dragula...from an episode where they wanted to go drag Racing.

Here's the Munstermobile...



Both cars were designed and built by George Barris.

You're right! I think I remember that episode.
They're both awesome.
5/7 would DD the Munstermobile

[wap]

Barris was some kind of mad genius.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Barris was some kind of mad genius.

Between the Munstermobile, Dragula, and batmobile Barris might be one of the most "famous" custom car designers ever. I love the TV shows from the 60s' that capitalized on custom car culture like that.

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Derp