Sounds like you're pretty safe, too then.CaleDeRoo wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:21 pmYeah I'm pretty isolated at work. My booth is 20'x20' and I have my own appliances so I only need to leave for the restroom.wap wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:12 pm
Apparently that applies to us, too. It's still being thought about by our owner, who's a 5/7 great guy, but if I have to go in, I'll go. Fortunately, my cube is normally surrounded by salespeople who would continue to work remote so there would be literally no one around me for at least 15-20 feet.
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From our CEO (part of a longer message):
I don't think he would like the idea of it as he probably would feel it would impact future sales, so maybe it's best to leave well enough alone.
I am sort of mulling over reaching out to my boss and offering to take an unpaid furlough. Any thoughts on if this is a good idea or nah? My job is really shitty for me at the moment as I am expected to make 30+ outbound sales calls/day and that's just painful at this point. It also isn't all that productive, no one is trying new stuff right now or anything like that, my sales numbers are dumb luck at this point.Since our meeting on Friday, I had a number of people come forward and say they wanted to participate in the executive team’s pay reduction. These volunteers have made my eyes water a couple of times because I know what type of sacrifice they are each making. The executive team, as we have continued to evaluate the situation, has increased their pay reduction to forgo an average of 80% of their salary. Other members of leadership have volunteered to take short-term pay cuts of 50% and all will be accepting some sort of reduction. But, it’s those people at lower levels who have come to me and said, “I’m in for 25%” that really have inspired me. Additionally, we are analyzing every dollar of non-payroll expense as you might imagine. (We Are Acting Like Owners and being frugal).
I don't think he would like the idea of it as he probably would feel it would impact future sales, so maybe it's best to leave well enough alone.
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See how this crap pans out and then if anything reach out next week. Pretty admirable on your leadership to take such cutsD Griff wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:50 am From our CEO (part of a longer message):
I am sort of mulling over reaching out to my boss and offering to take an unpaid furlough. Any thoughts on if this is a good idea or nah? My job is really shitty for me at the moment as I am expected to make 30+ outbound sales calls/day and that's just painful at this point. It also isn't all that productive, no one is trying new stuff right now or anything like that, my sales numbers are dumb luck at this point.Since our meeting on Friday, I had a number of people come forward and say they wanted to participate in the executive team’s pay reduction. These volunteers have made my eyes water a couple of times because I know what type of sacrifice they are each making. The executive team, as we have continued to evaluate the situation, has increased their pay reduction to forgo an average of 80% of their salary. Other members of leadership have volunteered to take short-term pay cuts of 50% and all will be accepting some sort of reduction. But, it’s those people at lower levels who have come to me and said, “I’m in for 25%” that really have inspired me. Additionally, we are analyzing every dollar of non-payroll expense as you might imagine. (We Are Acting Like Owners and being frugal).
I don't think he would like the idea of it as he probably would feel it would impact future sales, so maybe it's best to leave well enough alone.
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Maybe next week, and I'd offer part time with part time pay, or at least open the door.D Griff wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:50 am From our CEO (part of a longer message):
I am sort of mulling over reaching out to my boss and offering to take an unpaid furlough. Any thoughts on if this is a good idea or nah? My job is really shitty for me at the moment as I am expected to make 30+ outbound sales calls/day and that's just painful at this point. It also isn't all that productive, no one is trying new stuff right now or anything like that, my sales numbers are dumb luck at this point.Since our meeting on Friday, I had a number of people come forward and say they wanted to participate in the executive team’s pay reduction. These volunteers have made my eyes water a couple of times because I know what type of sacrifice they are each making. The executive team, as we have continued to evaluate the situation, has increased their pay reduction to forgo an average of 80% of their salary. Other members of leadership have volunteered to take short-term pay cuts of 50% and all will be accepting some sort of reduction. But, it’s those people at lower levels who have come to me and said, “I’m in for 25%” that really have inspired me. Additionally, we are analyzing every dollar of non-payroll expense as you might imagine. (We Are Acting Like Owners and being frugal).
I don't think he would like the idea of it as he probably would feel it would impact future sales, so maybe it's best to leave well enough alone.
Phrase it such as, "look no one is buying anything and these calls are super short, so I'm getting through my que more quickly. Maybe I could do my part by working part time and not taking my full base salary. Thoughts?"
Also, going to part time based on hourly sets a precedent when you go to back to full time that pay decrease won't stick.
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I wouldn’t do a god damn thing. The company will fire you if you take a cut or not and give 0 fucks. I don’t trust em... so just get the most you can beforeD Griff wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:50 am From our CEO (part of a longer message):
I am sort of mulling over reaching out to my boss and offering to take an unpaid furlough. Any thoughts on if this is a good idea or nah? My job is really shitty for me at the moment as I am expected to make 30+ outbound sales calls/day and that's just painful at this point. It also isn't all that productive, no one is trying new stuff right now or anything like that, my sales numbers are dumb luck at this point.Since our meeting on Friday, I had a number of people come forward and say they wanted to participate in the executive team’s pay reduction. These volunteers have made my eyes water a couple of times because I know what type of sacrifice they are each making. The executive team, as we have continued to evaluate the situation, has increased their pay reduction to forgo an average of 80% of their salary. Other members of leadership have volunteered to take short-term pay cuts of 50% and all will be accepting some sort of reduction. But, it’s those people at lower levels who have come to me and said, “I’m in for 25%” that really have inspired me. Additionally, we are analyzing every dollar of non-payroll expense as you might imagine. (We Are Acting Like Owners and being frugal).
I don't think he would like the idea of it as he probably would feel it would impact future sales, so maybe it's best to leave well enough alone.
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Eh, it sounds like they’re looking to do right by people with execs all taking a cut and shit.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:19 amI wouldn’t do a god damn thing. The company will fire you if you take a cut or not and give 0 fucks. I don’t trust em... so just get the most you can beforeD Griff wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:50 am From our CEO (part of a longer message):
I am sort of mulling over reaching out to my boss and offering to take an unpaid furlough. Any thoughts on if this is a good idea or nah? My job is really shitty for me at the moment as I am expected to make 30+ outbound sales calls/day and that's just painful at this point. It also isn't all that productive, no one is trying new stuff right now or anything like that, my sales numbers are dumb luck at this point.
I don't think he would like the idea of it as he probably would feel it would impact future sales, so maybe it's best to leave well enough alone.
I think Brad has the right approach. Wait til next week, offer to go part time with an equivalent salary reduction and use the call duration and volume as your reasoning. Then go back to full time and full salary when this is done.
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Isn’t the pay structure commission based as is, so... pay cut is happening either waySAWCE wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:39 amEh, it sounds like they’re looking to do right by people with execs all taking a cut and shit.
I think Brad has the right approach. Wait til next week, offer to go part time with an equivalent salary reduction and use the call duration and volume as your reasoning. Then go back to full time and full salary when this is done.
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I think he’s 75% base salary and then commissions on top of that.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:42 amIsn’t the pay structure commission based as is, so... pay cut is happening either waySAWCE wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:39 am
Eh, it sounds like they’re looking to do right by people with execs all taking a cut and shit.
I think Brad has the right approach. Wait til next week, offer to go part time with an equivalent salary reduction and use the call duration and volume as your reasoning. Then go back to full time and full salary when this is done.
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max225 wrote:I wouldn’t do a god damn thing. The company will fire you if you take a cut or not and give 0 fucks. I don’t trust em... so just get the most you can beforeD Griff wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:50 am From our CEO (part of a longer message):
I am sort of mulling over reaching out to my boss and offering to take an unpaid furlough. Any thoughts on if this is a good idea or nah? My job is really shitty for me at the moment as I am expected to make 30+ outbound sales calls/day and that's just painful at this point. It also isn't all that productive, no one is trying new stuff right now or anything like that, my sales numbers are dumb luck at this point.
I don't think he would like the idea of it as he probably would feel it would impact future sales, so maybe it's best to leave well enough alone.
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Yea I am what the right call is here. But I would wait to see some sort of guarantee before taking a cut, like, if we all take 25% we stay afloat.
I am not sure about his company structure but payroll for us is not that big of a chunk of company expenses. But this obviously varies greatly by company. I’m directing cuts in all other areas outside of payroll (30%).
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I personally wouldn't initiate anything unless you're ready to quit for good.
This whole disaster is going to allow all companies to "right size" their workforce. Mass layoffs then add people back as needed. "Do more with less" and all that fucking garbage will be running rampant.
My wife and I are anticipating her layoff to be permanent. When they laid her off for the week they said "to be reevaluated at the end of the week" which means she's done since the governor issued a 3 week shelter in place. Her work doesn't consider working unless you're in the office. My wife hated her job, and she's so happy right now I'm ecstatic. This worked out great because she can collect unemployment whenever we want to sign up for it.
This whole disaster is going to allow all companies to "right size" their workforce. Mass layoffs then add people back as needed. "Do more with less" and all that fucking garbage will be running rampant.
My wife and I are anticipating her layoff to be permanent. When they laid her off for the week they said "to be reevaluated at the end of the week" which means she's done since the governor issued a 3 week shelter in place. Her work doesn't consider working unless you're in the office. My wife hated her job, and she's so happy right now I'm ecstatic. This worked out great because she can collect unemployment whenever we want to sign up for it.
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Reselling tech stuff is a low margin, high volume business with usually very little inventory held on hand (drop shipments and whatnot). I suspect the vast majority of their cost is in payroll which is why the leadership is basically soliciting for people to take a pay cut.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:48 amYea I am what the right call is here. But I would wait to see some sort of guarantee before taking a cut, like, if we all take 25% we stay afloat.
I am not sure about his company structure but payroll for us is not that big of a chunk of company expenses. But this obviously varies greatly by company. I’m directing cuts in all other areas outside of payroll (30%).
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Detroit wrote:
This whole disaster is going to allow all companies to "right size" their workforce. Mass layoffs then add people back as needed. "Do more with less" and all that fucking garbage will be running rampant.
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It's going to suck big time. Fat cats need to stay fat...and they will at all costs.troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:59 amDetroit wrote:
This whole disaster is going to allow all companies to "right size" their workforce. Mass layoffs then add people back as needed. "Do more with less" and all that fucking garbage will be running rampant.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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troyguitar wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:45 ammax225 wrote: I wouldn’t do a god damn thing. The company will fire you if you take a cut or not and give 0 fucks. I don’t trust em... so just get the most you can before
Take it from me, having taken a pay cut in years past. The idea was that we would only do it for 2-3 quarters until a project completed and revenue was back up. Everyone agreed and it was done. 4 years later I had to bitch and almost riot to get it back, but raises in that time were non-existent. This was/is a company with a $40B market cap.
Don't volunteer shit unless your salary is only a fraction of your income. Execs often pull in many multiples of their salary in bonuses, perks and stock grants. Moving to $0/yr salary isn't anything for them other than good PR to make the unknowing feel better about the company leadership.
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Really good point. Taking a 100% "pay cut" for them might only be a 10% income reduction.CorvetteWaxer wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:29 amExecs often pull in many multiples of their salary in bonuses, perks and stock grants. Moving to $0/yr salary isn't anything for them other than good PR to make the unknowing feel better about the company leadership.
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Griff if you do anything I’d say you can tell them you’ll sacrifice the commission portion.
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