Northern MI Cucklyfe: Floating Garage Edition

Strut your greasy stuff!
User avatar
max225
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Posts: 42434
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:49 am
Drives: Taco+ Bavarian lemon

Detroit wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:47 pm Turbo powerplants include direction injection and whatnot that's much better for greenhouse gas requirements from .gov's around the world.
So you're saying a turbo motor of hp to the 3.6 would be cleaner ?
:butwhy:
They have the same 4/10 rating with the .gov
User avatar
ChrisoftheNorth
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 47112
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
Drives: 4R

max225 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:53 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:47 pm Turbo powerplants include direction injection and whatnot that's much better for greenhouse gas requirements from .gov's around the world.
So you're saying a turbo motor of hp to the 3.6 would be cleaner ?
:butwhy:
They have the same 4/10 rating with the .gov
Essentially, yes. There's calcs behind the scenes for this and makes no sense to the customer because there's zero transparency.

It's a big issue because OEMs are being forced to push more expensive/complex but "cleaner" on .gov paper to consumers when the less "clean" engines perform exactly the same.

No consumers care about teragrams of carbon emissions.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
User avatar
max225
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Posts: 42434
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:49 am
Drives: Taco+ Bavarian lemon

Detroit wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:01 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:53 pm

So you're saying a turbo motor of hp to the 3.6 would be cleaner ?
:butwhy:
They have the same 4/10 rating with the .gov
Essentially, yes. There's calcs behind the scenes for this and makes no sense to the customer because there's zero transparency.

It's a big issue because OEMs are being forced to push more expensive/complex but "cleaner" on .gov paper to consumers when the less "clean" engines perform exactly the same.

No consumers care about teragrams of carbon emissions.
Image
User avatar
ChrisoftheNorth
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 47112
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
Drives: 4R

max225 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:05 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:01 pm
Essentially, yes. There's calcs behind the scenes for this and makes no sense to the customer because there's zero transparency.

It's a big issue because OEMs are being forced to push more expensive/complex but "cleaner" on .gov paper to consumers when the less "clean" engines perform exactly the same.

No consumers care about teragrams of carbon emissions.
Image
:lolgasm:

She's probably the only consumer that cares about teragrams of carbon emission, and she'll never have enough money to buy any vehicle anyway.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
User avatar
max225
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Posts: 42434
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:49 am
Drives: Taco+ Bavarian lemon

She has enough money to sail on a carbon fiber Yacht across the Atlantic.
User avatar
ChrisoftheNorth
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 47112
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
Drives: 4R

max225 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:08 pm She has enough money to sail on a carbon fiber Yacht across the Atlantic.
SHE doesn't, but the people who support her must. How the hell do you make carbon fiber sailing yacht money as a 14 year old :baby: :pout: about ruining the planet?
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
User avatar
Johnny_P
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Posts: 40489
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:52 am
Drives: Blue short bus
Location: Philly

max225 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:53 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:47 pm Turbo powerplants include direction injection and whatnot that's much better for greenhouse gas requirements from .gov's around the world.
So you're saying a turbo motor of hp to the 3.6 would be cleaner ?
:butwhy:
They have the same 4/10 rating with the .gov
The reason the 2.0T exists is two fold to my understanding...
1) Marginally better fuel economy for CAFE reasons. 1-2 MPG improvement, 10%, on your biggest selling vehicle can have a large impact.
2) Taxes abroad. Other countries get taxed or pay yearly on engine displacement, so there's a heavy incentive to have a motor that's under 2.0L for places like China and Europe, and the Jeep fits that at 1995cc.
User avatar
max225
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Posts: 42434
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:49 am
Drives: Taco+ Bavarian lemon

Detroit wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:36 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:08 pm She has enough money to sail on a carbon fiber Yacht across the Atlantic.
SHE doesn't, but the people who support her must. How the hell do you make carbon fiber sailing yacht money as a 14 year old :baby: :pout: about ruining the planet?
Followers ! Have you seen her Twitter?
User avatar
ChrisoftheNorth
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 47112
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
Drives: 4R

max225 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:41 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:36 pm
SHE doesn't, but the people who support her must. How the hell do you make carbon fiber sailing yacht money as a 14 year old :baby: :pout: about ruining the planet?
Followers ! Have you seen her Twitter?
I don't social media. :disgust: :wap:
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
User avatar
ChrisoftheNorth
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 47112
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
Drives: 4R

Johnny_P wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:37 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:53 pm

So you're saying a turbo motor of hp to the 3.6 would be cleaner ?
:butwhy:
They have the same 4/10 rating with the .gov
The reason the 2.0T exists is two fold to my understanding...
1) Marginally better fuel economy for CAFE reasons. 1-2 MPG improvement, 10%, on your biggest selling vehicle can have a large impact.
2) Taxes abroad. Other countries get taxed or pay yearly on engine displacement, so there's a heavy incentive to have a motor that's under 2.0L for places like China and Europe, and the Jeep fits that at 1995cc.
More so it's green house gas emissions, measured most commonly in teragrams of carbon emission. It's a bigger deal in Europe than here, but :thanksobama: instituted some pretty tight regs around this too. Trump's trying to undo that, sure...but when a new powertrain pricetag starts with a number with 9 zeros behind it, future planning is pretty critical.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
User avatar
Johnny_P
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Posts: 40489
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:52 am
Drives: Blue short bus
Location: Philly

Detroit wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:44 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:37 pm

The reason the 2.0T exists is two fold to my understanding...
1) Marginally better fuel economy for CAFE reasons. 1-2 MPG improvement, 10%, on your biggest selling vehicle can have a large impact.
2) Taxes abroad. Other countries get taxed or pay yearly on engine displacement, so there's a heavy incentive to have a motor that's under 2.0L for places like China and Europe, and the Jeep fits that at 1995cc.
More so it's green house gas emissions, measured most commonly in teragrams of carbon emission. It's a bigger deal in Europe than here, but :thanksobama: instituted some pretty tight regs around this too. Trump's trying to undo that, sure...but when a new powertrain pricetag starts with a number with 9 zeros behind it, future planning is pretty critical.
Ah. Interesting.
User avatar
max225
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Posts: 42434
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:49 am
Drives: Taco+ Bavarian lemon

Detroit wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:44 pm
Johnny_P wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:37 pm

The reason the 2.0T exists is two fold to my understanding...
1) Marginally better fuel economy for CAFE reasons. 1-2 MPG improvement, 10%, on your biggest selling vehicle can have a large impact.
2) Taxes abroad. Other countries get taxed or pay yearly on engine displacement, so there's a heavy incentive to have a motor that's under 2.0L for places like China and Europe, and the Jeep fits that at 1995cc.
More so it's green house gas emissions, measured most commonly in teragrams of carbon emission. It's a bigger deal in Europe than here, but :thanksobama: instituted some pretty tight regs around this too. Trump's trying to undo that, sure...but when a new powertrain pricetag starts with a number with 9 zeros behind it, future planning is pretty critical.
It is listed as slightly lower 10% for the 2.slow. Is that big enough to justify the capex ? The euro thing makes perfect sense though. The 2.slow powered jeep is quite stout actually based on everything I can find. Even in rubi trim its still around 7ish to 60 which is :notbad: at all
User avatar
ChrisoftheNorth
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 47112
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
Drives: 4R

max225 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:16 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:44 pm
More so it's green house gas emissions, measured most commonly in teragrams of carbon emission. It's a bigger deal in Europe than here, but :thanksobama: instituted some pretty tight regs around this too. Trump's trying to undo that, sure...but when a new powertrain pricetag starts with a number with 9 zeros behind it, future planning is pretty critical.
It is listed as slightly lower 10% for the 2.slow. Is that big enough to justify the capex ? The euro thing makes perfect sense though. The 2.slow powered jeep is quite stout actually based on everything I can find. Even in rubi trim its still around 7ish to 60 which is :notbad: at all
10% is HUGE in this world. Especially when non compliance means huge fines or worse...not able to sell vehicles.

I really like the 2.slow in the wife's JL. It's a really great engine.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
User avatar
ChrisoftheNorth
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 47112
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
Drives: 4R

Fun to get dirty, but also fun to clean up...

Image

Image
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
User avatar
Johnny_P
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Posts: 40489
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:52 am
Drives: Blue short bus
Location: Philly

max225 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:16 pm
Detroit wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:44 pm
More so it's green house gas emissions, measured most commonly in teragrams of carbon emission. It's a bigger deal in Europe than here, but :thanksobama: instituted some pretty tight regs around this too. Trump's trying to undo that, sure...but when a new powertrain pricetag starts with a number with 9 zeros behind it, future planning is pretty critical.
It is listed as slightly lower 10% for the 2.slow. Is that big enough to justify the capex ? The euro thing makes perfect sense though. The 2.slow powered jeep is quite stout actually based on everything I can find. Even in rubi trim its still around 7ish to 60 which is :notbad: at all
It doesn't suck. It's not really any different speed or power wise than the V6 just doesn't down shift as much on the highway, sounds worse, and has a whiff of turbo lag before it gets going.
User avatar
ChrisoftheNorth
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 47112
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
Drives: 4R

Johnny_P wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:52 pm
max225 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:16 pm

It is listed as slightly lower 10% for the 2.slow. Is that big enough to justify the capex ? The euro thing makes perfect sense though. The 2.slow powered jeep is quite stout actually based on everything I can find. Even in rubi trim its still around 7ish to 60 which is :notbad: at all
It doesn't suck. It's not really any different speed or power wise than the V6 just doesn't down shift as much on the highway, sounds worse, and has a whiff of turbo lag before it gets going.
The BSG really hides any turbo lag. I find the 2.0 BSG to actually be a tad bit more fun around town. It's noticeably torquier, but agreed that it sounds worse by a wide margin. Somehow, the 3.6 exhaust note is tuned to be remarkably sporty. The JT sounds different from the JL, a bit less sporty but with a more powerful truck-like sound. Hard to describe. In contrast, I felt like the 3.6 in my Colorado sounded like the V6's in my mom's GM minivans when I was growing up. Overall very meh.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
User avatar
ChrisoftheNorth
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 47112
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
Drives: 4R

Now that I can park in the corp garage, it's fun making friends.

Skittles this morning with a Challenger Hellcat Widebody...

Image
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
User avatar
Apex
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Posts: 29815
Joined: Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:36 pm
Drives: Abominable
Location: NJ

Detroit wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:58 am Now that I can park in the corp garage, it's fun making friends.

Skittles this morning with a Challenger Hellcat Widebody...

Image
:nice:
User avatar
MexicanYarisTK
Senior Master Sirloin
Senior Master Sirloin
Posts: 9981
Joined: Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:14 am
Drives: An Okinowa Cruiseship
Location: 6 miles north of Sleepy Joes House & 5 miles from Bosphorus Channel

Detroit wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:13 pm Fun to get dirty, but also fun to clean up...

Image

Image
:megusta:
Nephew of a :plac: a few first gen immigrant on DFD, resident turk, and ex nazi egg lover now driving a middle class mom mobile.
User avatar
Tar
Chief Master Sirloin
Chief Master Sirloin
Posts: 14126
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:06 pm
Drives: Beige Family Sedan sans Dent
Location: Canuckistan

Detroit wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:58 am Now that I can park in the corp garage, it's fun making friends.

Skittles this morning with a Challenger Hellcat Widebody...

Image
:jimp:
User avatar
Johnny_P
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Posts: 40489
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:52 am
Drives: Blue short bus
Location: Philly

Detroit wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:58 am Now that I can park in the corp garage, it's fun making friends.

Skittles this morning with a Challenger Hellcat Widebody...

Image
Oh man I want that Challenger...

Fuuuuuuuuuck I should look at these.
User avatar
ChrisoftheNorth
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 47112
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
Drives: 4R

Johnny_P wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:50 am
Detroit wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:58 am Now that I can park in the corp garage, it's fun making friends.

Skittles this morning with a Challenger Hellcat Widebody...

Image
Oh man I want that Challenger...

Fuuuuuuuuuck I should look at these.
Especially the widebody. So much :megusta:

A Scat Pack widebody would be pretty epic IMO.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
User avatar
max225
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Posts: 42434
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:49 am
Drives: Taco+ Bavarian lemon

Detroit wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:58 am Now that I can park in the corp garage, it's fun making friends.

Skittles this morning with a Challenger Hellcat Widebody...

Image
Hard parked :triggered:
Over the lines :triggered:

Do you know the guy in the wide body ?

I just found out my nerdy co worker got a red chally widebody scat. He was talking shit about my mini already :(
User avatar
ChrisoftheNorth
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 47112
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:10 am
Drives: 4R

max225 wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:14 am
Detroit wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:58 am Now that I can park in the corp garage, it's fun making friends.

Skittles this morning with a Challenger Hellcat Widebody...

Image
Hard parked :triggered:
Over the lines :triggered:

Do you know the guy in the wide body ?

I just found out my nerdy co worker got a red chally widebody scat. He was talking shit about my mini already :(
:lolol:

The spots are angled, dude in the hellcat backed in straight, leaving space for me to hard park. Unless he leaves in the middle of the day, nobody will get triggered by my parking.

I don't know the guy, but I discovered this end of the garage that's full of "fun" cars. I couldn't get a good image, but to the left of where I parked were two minivans, then three Gladiators in a row, two Rubicons (one Whorange like mine but fully loaded), and a Sport that's lifted on big tires. Next to that was a new widebody Charger, and next to that was an SRT Grand Cherokee. It's the last level before the roof, so you don't have to worry about door dings since it's usually pretty open. I need to find out who these people are.
Desertbreh wrote: Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
User avatar
max225
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Chief Master Sirloin of the Wasteful Steak
Posts: 42434
Joined: Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:49 am
Drives: Taco+ Bavarian lemon

Oh interesting.... I’m weird enough that over time I found out what most people drive. How I made friends with the cornflower blue GTI, dude. And lowered Si dude.

:notsure: if chally dude will get along with me, as he was mean. :pout:
Post Reply