You get the down payment back and appreciation for you outpaces interest+taxes... and you have, what, 7 figures in real assets already at age 35?max225 wrote:Better than spending 10x that on a downpayment. That's a solid 4 years of work after tax for ya'll if you didn't spend a penny and saved everything. And possibility of losing it all since spending 1M+ on a house istroyguitar wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:34 pm $7000 per year in taxes, $5000 to have our shit moved again, at least $10000 to add AC and do minor things, $15000 in closing costs when we hopefully sell it next year... $37000 plus all of the mortgage interest blown in one year. All to live in a shitbox.
Are you better off financially than before?
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due to Foreign investment fuck. I both lost and gained 6 figures on this shithole. In 2013 I was thinking about how foolish I was in having "lost" 200k on the place.troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:29 pmYou get the down payment back and appreciation for you outpaces interest+taxes... and you have, what, 7 figures in real assets already at age 35?max225 wrote:
Better than spending 10x that on a downpayment. That's a solid 4 years of work after tax for ya'll if you didn't spend a penny and saved everything. And possibility of losing it all since spending 1M+ on a house is
i can't imagine what will happen next... I don't see real estate as investment vehicles unless you constantly cash out and so far that's @Detroit only.
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Sell me your for what you paid for it then... That way it won't be an investment.
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troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:27 pmSo you live like what, a Holy Roman Emperor?Detroit wrote: Ignoring housing, $160k gross anywhere outside of the pay area and NYC is pretty fantastic. You could live like a king in Michigan on that...which you're aware of I'm sure. Not trying to rub salt in the wound of shitty Corning, but you're doing alright dude.
This income doesn't even get us a garage or air conditioning, let alone a that generates income vs taxing us to fucking hell. We would need at least $200k for this place to not suck, really more like $250k because taxes.
I know we're to actually want to retire though... If we didn't save anything then we could indeed have a pretty good life.
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troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:33 pm Sell me your for what you paid for it then... That way it won't be an investment.
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More than you can afford, paltroyguitar wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:33 pm Sell me your for what you paid for it then... That way it won't be an investment.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:05 pm DFD. The forum where everybody makes the same choices and then tells anybody trying to join the club that they are the stupidest motherfucker to ever walk the earth.
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Right...the only "appreciation" that happens is when you sell. We capitalized on the while we could and made some moves, but we're settling in now for the long run. We could break even on our house, but we wouldn't make anything on it if we sold it now. The market has plateaued and will likely pull back soon. Then it'll be another 5-10 years before the value comes back up in the green.max225 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:30 pmdue to Foreign investment fuck. I both lost and gained 6 figures on this shithole. In 2013 I was thinking about how foolish I was in having "lost" 200k on the place.troyguitar wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:29 pm You get the down payment back and appreciation for you outpaces interest+taxes... and you have, what, 7 figures in real assets already at age 35?
i can't imagine what will happen next... I don't see real estate as investment vehicles unless you constantly cash out and so far that's @Detroit only.
points this out all the time, in the long run, housing appreciation really isn't much better than inflation. To me the biggest "value" in owning a house in the long run is paying it off to reduce your debt exposure and monthly expenses. It'll be way easier to retire when the cost of housing is just taxes and insurance.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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Its the only real reason to play the homeownershit gameDetroit wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:42 amRight...the only "appreciation" that happens is when you sell. We capitalized on the while we could and made some moves, but we're settling in now for the long run. We could break even on our house, but we wouldn't make anything on it if we sold it now. The market has plateaued and will likely pull back soon. Then it'll be another 5-10 years before the value comes back up in the green.max225 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:30 pm
due to Foreign investment fuck. I both lost and gained 6 figures on this shithole. In 2013 I was thinking about how foolish I was in having "lost" 200k on the place.
i can't imagine what will happen next... I don't see real estate as investment vehicles unless you constantly cash out and so far that's @Detroit only.
points this out all the time, in the long run, housing appreciation really isn't much better than inflation. To me the biggest "value" in owning a house in the long run is paying it off to reduce your debt exposure and monthly expenses. It'll be way easier to retire when the cost of housing is just taxes and insurance.
brain go brrrrrr
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Well, I didn't have a retirement account or a house in 2014, so I'm better off. I've started looking at changing jobs since it has become more and more evident that I won't be able to further advance unless someone above me leaves first.
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I'm up 32.68% AGI Adjusted
I've also had some very generous raises, and with the current culture, those are a thing of the past.
I'm also early in my career, was grossly underpaid in the beginning, and am getting to about the average for the industry.
I'm still underpaid by about 10%.
I've also had some very generous raises, and with the current culture, those are a thing of the past.
I'm also early in my career, was grossly underpaid in the beginning, and am getting to about the average for the industry.
I'm still underpaid by about 10%.
"We" (really her but I'm benefiting from it) cashed out at 50% appreciation in four years. Including all costs - utilities, mortgage, insurance, you name it, she GOT PAID over $30K to live there for four years. Very much luck, but still, there are success stories.Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:42 amRight...the only "appreciation" that happens is when you sell. We capitalized on the while we could and made some moves, but we're settling in now for the long run. We could break even on our house, but we wouldn't make anything on it if we sold it now. The market has plateaued and will likely pull back soon. Then it'll be another 5-10 years before the value comes back up in the green.max225 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:30 pm
due to Foreign investment fuck. I both lost and gained 6 figures on this shithole. In 2013 I was thinking about how foolish I was in having "lost" 200k on the place.
i can't imagine what will happen next... I don't see real estate as investment vehicles unless you constantly cash out and so far that's @Detroit only.
points this out all the time, in the long run, housing appreciation really isn't much better than inflation. To me the biggest "value" in owning a house in the long run is paying it off to reduce your debt exposure and monthly expenses. It'll be way easier to retire when the cost of housing is just taxes and insurance.
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Right...same thing happened to us. Buy low, sell high. Anyone that bought something in 09-13 AND SOLD in 17-present probably made out great. But it won't be long before values start to dip, then they might crash a bit, it's just the nature of things. It all evens out in the long run, but you can do VERY well if you time things right and are willing to move on a moment's notice for the rightD Griff wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:47 pm"We" (really her but I'm benefiting from it) cashed out at 50% appreciation in four years. Including all costs - utilities, mortgage, insurance, you name it, she GOT PAID over $30K to live there for four years. Very much luck, but still, there are success stories.Detroit wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:42 am
Right...the only "appreciation" that happens is when you sell. We capitalized on the while we could and made some moves, but we're settling in now for the long run. We could break even on our house, but we wouldn't make anything on it if we sold it now. The market has plateaued and will likely pull back soon. Then it'll be another 5-10 years before the value comes back up in the green.
points this out all the time, in the long run, housing appreciation really isn't much better than inflation. To me the biggest "value" in owning a house in the long run is paying it off to reduce your debt exposure and monthly expenses. It'll be way easier to retire when the cost of housing is just taxes and insurance.
But if you buy something now (the high) it'll be a long time before you'll see any real gains. What you guys did was PERFECT. Sold high, rented to hold the cash, and will be primed to buy when the housing market dips.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
Thing is, we'll probably be looking to buy this winter, don't think values will dip much by then, but we're kind of over the apartment lyfe. We'll probably stay wherever we go for a long time (I hope) so it won't matter as much. I'm just glad to have a nice chunk for a down payment, that is very helpful.Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:56 pmRight...same thing happened to us. Buy low, sell high. Anyone that bought something in 09-13 AND SOLD in 17-present probably made out great. But it won't be long before values start to dip, then they might crash a bit, it's just the nature of things. It all evens out in the long run, but you can do VERY well if you time things right and are willing to move on a moment's notice for the rightD Griff wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:47 pm
"We" (really her but I'm benefiting from it) cashed out at 50% appreciation in four years. Including all costs - utilities, mortgage, insurance, you name it, she GOT PAID over $30K to live there for four years. Very much luck, but still, there are success stories.
But if you buy something now (the high) it'll be a long time before you'll see any real gains. What you guys did was PERFECT. Sold high, rented to hold the cash, and will be primed to buy when the housing market dips.
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Other than normal seasonality, there won't be a huge change this winter I suspect. Which is fine if you stay put long term...that's the point is that values are rather stable over time. If you sell in the next 5 years, you'll probably take a bath on it...your down payment chunk will be lit on fire, so I wouldn't buy unless absolutely certain you're staying for 10+ years.D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:58 pmThing is, we'll probably be looking to buy this winter, don't think values will dip much by then, but we're kind of over the apartment lyfe. We'll probably stay wherever we go for a long time (I hope) so it won't matter as much. I'm just glad to have a nice chunk for a down payment, that is very helpful.Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:56 pm
Right...same thing happened to us. Buy low, sell high. Anyone that bought something in 09-13 AND SOLD in 17-present probably made out great. But it won't be long before values start to dip, then they might crash a bit, it's just the nature of things. It all evens out in the long run, but you can do VERY well if you time things right and are willing to move on a moment's notice for the right
But if you buy something now (the high) it'll be a long time before you'll see any real gains. What you guys did was PERFECT. Sold high, rented to hold the cash, and will be primed to buy when the housing market dips.
And I hear you on apt lyfe. Never again for us.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
No goddamn clue what I'll be doing in 10 years.Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:07 pmOther than normal seasonality, there won't be a huge change this winter I suspect. Which is fine if you stay put long term...that's the point is that values are rather stable over time. If you sell in the next 5 years, you'll probably take a bath on it...your down payment chunk will be lit on fire, so I wouldn't buy unless absolutely certain you're staying for 10+ years.D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:58 pm
Thing is, we'll probably be looking to buy this winter, don't think values will dip much by then, but we're kind of over the apartment lyfe. We'll probably stay wherever we go for a long time (I hope) so it won't matter as much. I'm just glad to have a nice chunk for a down payment, that is very helpful.
And I hear you on apt lyfe. Never again for us.
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Nor I. But I know where I'll be living unless I want to lose money on the house.D Griff wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:26 pmNo goddamn clue what I'll be doing in 10 years.Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:07 pm
Other than normal seasonality, there won't be a huge change this winter I suspect. Which is fine if you stay put long term...that's the point is that values are rather stable over time. If you sell in the next 5 years, you'll probably take a bath on it...your down payment chunk will be lit on fire, so I wouldn't buy unless absolutely certain you're staying for 10+ years.
And I hear you on apt lyfe. Never again for us.
Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
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I dont know what any of these terms mean. But I have a savings account and no credit card debt unlike before. A paid off car and motorcycle, and home equity.
I must be winning.
I must be winning.
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1%erBarnes93cb wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:50 pm I dont know what any of these terms mean. But I have a savings account and no credit card debt unlike before. A paid off car and motorcycle, and home equity.
I must be winning.
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There was an old lady who had the house next to me, and it was vacant for about two years after she passed. There were holes in the roof for quite some time, and the entire house suffered from years of neglect. Someone bought it to flip, and converted it from a 3 bed/1 bath to a 5 bed/2.5 bath within the same footprint. The house has no driveway or garage and sits where its backyard butts up to the side of my house. They currently have it listed for $100K more than I paid for my house. I'm watching to see what it sells for, because that would be a hell of a bump in property value.Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:56 pmRight...same thing happened to us. Buy low, sell high. Anyone that bought something in 09-13 AND SOLD in 17-present probably made out great. But it won't be long before values start to dip, then they might crash a bit, it's just the nature of things. It all evens out in the long run, but you can do VERY well if you time things right and are willing to move on a moment's notice for the rightD Griff wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:47 pm
"We" (really her but I'm benefiting from it) cashed out at 50% appreciation in four years. Including all costs - utilities, mortgage, insurance, you name it, she GOT PAID over $30K to live there for four years. Very much luck, but still, there are success stories.
But if you buy something now (the high) it'll be a long time before you'll see any real gains. What you guys did was PERFECT. Sold high, rented to hold the cash, and will be primed to buy when the housing market dips.
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Everything is great on this side. Zero complaints, but 2019 is MUCH better than 2014.
Pondering how to expand a carport, I reckonD Griff wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:26 pmNo goddamn clue what I'll be doing in 10 years.Detroit wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:07 pm
Other than normal seasonality, there won't be a huge change this winter I suspect. Which is fine if you stay put long term...that's the point is that values are rather stable over time. If you sell in the next 5 years, you'll probably take a bath on it...your down payment chunk will be lit on fire, so I wouldn't buy unless absolutely certain you're staying for 10+ years.
And I hear you on apt lyfe. Never again for us.
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Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:40 pm My guess would be that Chris took some time off because he has read the dialogue on this page 1,345 times and decided to spend some of his free time doing something besides beating a horse to death.
BUNCHA GOT DANG MILLIONAIRES I TELL YA.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/17/heres-w ... he-us.htmlThe population of wealthy young people is growing, the report finds. And they’re getting richer: “By 2030, millennials will hold five times as much wealth as they have today, and are expected to inherit over $68 trillion from their predecessors in the Great Transfer of Wealth.”
The “Great Wealth Transfer” refers to the trillions of dollars that will be passed down to millennials from their baby boomer parents, who are considered the wealthiest generation in history.
Almost half, 44%, of the millennial millionaires are concentrated in California. That’s “consistent with the general millionaire population,” the report says, adding that “the Golden State also has the highest percentage of business owners (23%) and the highest percentage of real estate investors.”
New York ranks No. 2. It’s home to 14% of the millennial millionaire population.