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Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:23 pm
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How difficult of an install are those aux switches? The OEM integration there looks :tits: so I didn't know if there was some BCM that needed to be reprogrammed to recognize them or anything.
BCM needs to be reprogrammed by dealer and lots of wiring run. Would so much rather just buy it with those installed.

I know I want one for my winch wiring at a minimum.
Got it, sounds like a PITA to do after the fact.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:11 pm
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I took a look around to see if there was anything I'd want for schitzengiggel but every one is missing something critical.
https://www.orchardchryslerdodgejeep.co ... G4JW234298

That's the closest I've found to perfection, but it's missing the trailer tow/aux switch pack. At $795...it's basically the price of parts. I'd actually use the switches, so I'd install both trailering and switches on a vehicle that didn't have it. That's a day's worth of work plus ~$800 in parts. For a $2,250 discount. So really $1,500 off plus all my effort to install that shit for a 2 year old vehicle. That's rather meh. Vehicles that include trailer tow have shit I don't want, which basically comes for free after the small discount, but if I don't want it, then why "pay" for it?

:dillerman: told me that he'd let me know if there's any further discounts, but it's looking like the 4th of July salesathon is skipping the Wrangler. Shocking because there's a real chance of 18, 19, and 20 vehicles on the same lot soon.
:wat: I don’t believe that ... they have an extra $500 For 2018s as is .... I haven’t see the official flyers yet... all the advertised :dill: s end 7/1 at my local rape palace
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Apex wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:24 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:23 pm
BCM needs to be reprogrammed by dealer and lots of wiring run. Would so much rather just buy it with those installed.

I know I want one for my winch wiring at a minimum.
Got it, sounds like a PITA to do after the fact.
Kind of...it's a Mopar kit so at least it's documented. I'd add it to a vehicle for the right price. Another $1k off that orange one or low interest rate financing, and I'll get serious.

Though, if I was ordering one, I'd probably go Rubicon with tow/switches, remote proximity entry, LEDs, cold weather, premium soft top, and done. Employee price would be $43k and BRAND NEW.

Also probably in Bikini. I love that color with Rubicon red accents.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:31 pm
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Got it, sounds like a PITA to do after the fact.
Kind of...it's a Mopar kit so at least it's documented. I'd add it to a vehicle for the right price. Another $1k off that orange one or low interest rate financing, and I'll get serious.

Though, if I was ordering one, I'd probably go Rubicon with tow/switches, remote proximity entry, LEDs, cold weather, premium soft top, and done. Employee price would be $43k and BRAND NEW.

Also probably in Bikini. I love that color with Rubicon red accents.
That's a solid build, and Bikini is a sweet color.


And good to know the switches are a Mopar kit, so it is documented and do-able, but still a PITA when they could come from the factory.
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max225 wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:26 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:11 pm
https://www.orchardchryslerdodgejeep.co ... G4JW234298

That's the closest I've found to perfection, but it's missing the trailer tow/aux switch pack. At $795...it's basically the price of parts. I'd actually use the switches, so I'd install both trailering and switches on a vehicle that didn't have it. That's a day's worth of work plus ~$800 in parts. For a $2,250 discount. So really $1,500 off plus all my effort to install that shit for a 2 year old vehicle. That's rather meh. Vehicles that include trailer tow have shit I don't want, which basically comes for free after the small discount, but if I don't want it, then why "pay" for it?

:dillerman: told me that he'd let me know if there's any further discounts, but it's looking like the 4th of July salesathon is skipping the Wrangler. Shocking because there's a real chance of 18, 19, and 20 vehicles on the same lot soon.
:wat: I don’t believe that ... they have an extra $500 For 2018s as is .... I haven’t see the official flyers yet... all the advertised :dill: s end 7/1 at my local rape palace
The 2,250 off includes the $500 from Jeep. There's "4th of July" Salesathon branding all over the dealer sites now. They end on 7/1...but that's also the end of the quarter. I'm not sure there will be a bit push for 4th of July at the very beginning of quarter.
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Apex wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:32 pm
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Kind of...it's a Mopar kit so at least it's documented. I'd add it to a vehicle for the right price. Another $1k off that orange one or low interest rate financing, and I'll get serious.

Though, if I was ordering one, I'd probably go Rubicon with tow/switches, remote proximity entry, LEDs, cold weather, premium soft top, and done. Employee price would be $43k and BRAND NEW.

Also probably in Bikini. I love that color with Rubicon red accents.
That's a solid build, and Bikini is a sweet color.


And good to know the switches are a Mopar kit, so it is documented and do-able, but still a PITA when they could come from the factory.
Yea, the Mopar kit is nearly the same price as the factory installed option, so it's way easier to have them installed at the factory. Same with the LED lights. Just the headlights from Mopar are $900, and for $995 you can get ALL lights LED from the factory. Just gotta get a Rubicon to do that.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:11 pm
https://www.orchardchryslerdodgejeep.co ... G4JW234298

That's the closest I've found to perfection, but it's missing the trailer tow/aux switch pack. At $795...it's basically the price of parts. I'd actually use the switches, so I'd install both trailering and switches on a vehicle that didn't have it. That's a day's worth of work plus ~$800 in parts. For a $2,250 discount. So really $1,500 off plus all my effort to install that shit for a 2 year old vehicle. That's rather meh. Vehicles that include trailer tow have shit I don't want, which basically comes for free after the small discount, but if I don't want it, then why "pay" for it?

:dillerman: told me that he'd let me know if there's any further discounts, but it's looking like the 4th of July salesathon is skipping the Wrangler. Shocking because there's a real chance of 18, 19, and 20 vehicles on the same lot soon.
No LSD, doe?
Nah, I'd swap to Rubicon axles eventually. Limiting down to LSD would take away pretty much everything.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:51 pm
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No LSD, doe?
Nah, I'd swap to Rubicon axles eventually. Limiting down to LSD would take away pretty much everything.
How much are Rubi axles with employee pricing?
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[user not found] wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:45 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:11 pm
https://www.orchardchryslerdodgejeep.co ... G4JW234298

That's the closest I've found to perfection, but it's missing the trailer tow/aux switch pack. At $795...it's basically the price of parts. I'd actually use the switches, so I'd install both trailering and switches on a vehicle that didn't have it. That's a day's worth of work plus ~$800 in parts. For a $2,250 discount. So really $1,500 off plus all my effort to install that shit for a 2 year old vehicle. That's rather meh. Vehicles that include trailer tow have shit I don't want, which basically comes for free after the small discount, but if I don't want it, then why "pay" for it?

:dillerman: told me that he'd let me know if there's any further discounts, but it's looking like the 4th of July salesathon is skipping the Wrangler. Shocking because there's a real chance of 18, 19, and 20 vehicles on the same lot soon.
No LSD, doe?
The brake based LSD is just fine, jeeps are super capable even at the lowest levels. I don't see the big deal.
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max225 wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:22 pm
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No LSD, doe?
The brake based LSD is just fine, jeeps are super capable even at the lowest levels. I don't see the big deal.
Yep, exactly.
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Apex wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:52 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:51 pm
Nah, I'd swap to Rubicon axles eventually. Limiting down to LSD would take away pretty much everything.
How much are Rubi axles with employee pricing?
$3k. I'll do 35s with a JL, really want 4.10s for that.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:34 pm
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How much are Rubi axles with employee pricing?
$3k. I'll do 35s with a JL, really want 4.10s for that.
35s+ lift is like 3k flushed down the toilet, stock rubi not capable enough ? :shock:
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max225 wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:36 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:34 pm
$3k. I'll do 35s with a JL, really want 4.10s for that.
35s+ lift is like 3k flushed down the toilet, stock rubi not capable enough ? :shock:
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max225 wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:36 pm
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$3k. I'll do 35s with a JL, really want 4.10s for that.
35s+ lift is like 3k flushed down the toilet, stock rubi not capable enough ? :shock:
35s fit on a Rubicon with zero modifications. It's the only thing I would do to a Rubicon. I have no interest in lifts.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:34 pm
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How much are Rubi axles with employee pricing?
$3k. I'll do 35s with a JL, really want 4.10s for that.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:11 pm
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35s+ lift is like 3k flushed down the toilet, stock rubi not capable enough ? :shock:
35s fit on a Rubicon with zero modifications. It's the only thing I would do to a Rubicon. I have no interest in lifts.
I though we were discussing a different model, familiar with the 35s "fitting" the JLR.
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max225 wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:25 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:11 pm
35s fit on a Rubicon with zero modifications. It's the only thing I would do to a Rubicon. I have no interest in lifts.
I though we were discussing a different model, familiar with the 35s "fitting" the JLR.
JLUR was designed to take 35s stock. Pretty amazing.

If I did a Sport, that's when things get :fullretard: for 35s. Rubicon flares would get you most of the way, but would still need a lift if you weren't doing axles. Rubicon axles are wider...not to mention the 4.10s and lockers. A Rubicon without many options is the way to go IMO.
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Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:59 pm
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I though we were discussing a different model, familiar with the 35s "fitting" the JLR.
JLUR was designed to take 35s stock. Pretty amazing.

If I did a Sport, that's when things get :fullretard: for 35s. Rubicon flares would get you most of the way, but would still need a lift if you weren't doing axles. Rubicon axles are wider...not to mention the 4.10s and lockers. A Rubicon without many options is the way to go IMO.
Right my whole comment was around the sport not the rubi. I'd think a rubi left stock would do incredibly well as well.
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max225 wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:03 pm
Detroit wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:59 pm

JLUR was designed to take 35s stock. Pretty amazing.

If I did a Sport, that's when things get :fullretard: for 35s. Rubicon flares would get you most of the way, but would still need a lift if you weren't doing axles. Rubicon axles are wider...not to mention the 4.10s and lockers. A Rubicon without many options is the way to go IMO.
Right my whole comment was around the sport not the rubi. I'd think a rubi left stock would do incredibly well as well.
It really benefits from 35s...that extra inch or so of ground clearance makes a surprising difference...they can do things modified JKs barely can.
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Something really crazy is happening in my area, Avis is unloading a shit ton of 2018 jkus with 25/30k miles for 25k... must have at least 100+ in the greater area. :mindblown:
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So @detroit you may have a point, fca looks like it’s trying to make a :truk: move happen... 15k on the hood of ram 1500s so it must be the sales lever that was determined for the 4th, the others will be used to offset the drop in asps on the :trukvaganza:

12k on the hood of JGCs
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max225 wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:42 pm So @detroit you may have a point, fca looks like it’s trying to make a :truk: move happen... 15k on the hood of ram 1500s so it must be the sales lever that was determined for the 4th, the others will be used to offset the drop in asps on the :trukvaganza:

12k on the hood of JGCs
I know...the pot of incentive money is only so big. Looks like they're pushing :truk: and other volume SUVs like the GC. Both are highly profitable, so it makes sense.

Just weird kicking the can of the 18/19/20 problem for JLs. The more I think about it, the less I want a leftover 18 because of all the compromises on features. "Deals" will need to come down another $2-3k for me to be interested...I could just go order a 2020 model exactly as I want, pay nearly the same, and have timing work out better for replacing the ZR2.
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Though...wife has been talking about a GC to replace the Volt a lot...maybe we should go check some out.
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Detroit wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:11 am Though...wife has been talking about a GC to replace the Volt a lot...maybe we should go check some out.
Can't hurt to check some out.
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Detroit wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:11 am Though...wife has been talking about a GC to replace the Volt a lot...maybe we should go check some out.
Can't hurt to check some out.
Yea...it's just a matter of finding time to get her to the dealer.

She has zero interest in testing things out, but will then complain about anything we end up with because she "didn't pick it".

Hence my dread with all this. :rolleyes:
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