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Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:37 pm

max225 wrote:Apple is truly back to April 2017 (nearly 2 years ago)... so why do you think it is ok for a company to lose 40% share value when they are growing 15-20% every quarter.... what other company that size is growing at that rate? I can tell you right now 0.

They are deserving of a high stock price. Yet they lost value. :fullretard: this type of market is incredibly dangerous, people come up with fictitious shit to justify prices and you can't count on sound logic and financials to make a decision because it can just drop for now reason.
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:25 pm
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:49 pm
AFAIK you will need an expansion tank if you pay someone else (licensed) to do it. Those became required recently here at least so they're probably required in your hood too.

Tankless is better (instant on, infinite capacity) but costs more - if you plan on staying there long term then consider it, otherwise might as well skip it.
Tankless won't save that much really. It's double the cost in material alone. But endless shower sounds nice. I deplete the hot water after a single shower at my house, like 10-15 mins it's donezo. Could remedy that with a larger water heater though.

I guess the expansion tank is cheap enough that it's NBD to just add it and a check valve.
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That's terrible. Is it a 5 gallon bucket or do you need a different shower head or ?
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:31 pm
Apple is truly back to April 2017 (nearly 2 years ago)... so why do you think it is ok for a company to lose 40% share value when they are growing 15-20% every quarter.... what other company that size is growing at that rate? I can tell you right now 0.

They are deserving of a high stock price. Yet they lost value. :fullretard: this type of market is incredibly dangerous, people come up with fictitious shit to justify prices and you can't count on sound logic and financials to make a decision because it can just drop for now reason.
Yep I feel like Wall Street lives by rules that are unknown to me.
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Desertbreh wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:46 pm
max225 wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:31 pm
Apple is truly back to April 2017 (nearly 2 years ago)... so why do you think it is ok for a company to lose 40% share value when they are growing 15-20% every quarter.... what other company that size is growing at that rate? I can tell you right now 0.

They are deserving of a high stock price. Yet they lost value. :fullretard: this type of market is incredibly dangerous, people come up with fictitious shit to justify prices and you can't count on sound logic and financials to make a decision because it can just drop for now reason.
Yep I feel like Wall Street lives by rules that are unknown to me.
Same.
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:48 pm

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Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:46 pm
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:25 pm


Tankless won't save that much really. It's double the cost in material alone. But endless shower sounds nice. I deplete the hot water after a single shower at my house, like 10-15 mins it's donezo. Could remedy that with a larger water heater though.

I guess the expansion tank is cheap enough that it's NBD to just add it and a check valve.
:mindblown:

That's terrible. Is it a 5 gallon bucket or do you need a different shower head or ?
I don't know what the issue is. Could just be 25 years of sediment buildup in the base of the heater, lol. Also has to go up 2 floors of uninsulated piping to get to the bathroom, that ain't helping anyone.

Would be nice to sledgehammer that bathroom too. Hm.

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Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:51 pm

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Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:48 pm
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:46 pm

:mindblown:

That's terrible. Is it a 5 gallon bucket or do you need a different shower head or ?
I don't know what the issue is. Could just be 25 years of sediment buildup in the base of the heater, lol. Also has to go up 2 floors of uninsulated piping to get to the bathroom, that ain't helping anyone.

Would be nice to sledgehammer that bathroom too. Hm.
My bathroom is up 2 floors, the water heater seems no larger than others I've seen, but it is 5 years old. All copper plumbing up to bathroom. I can take a 15 minute hot shower, wife can right after, and we can do the dishes without running out of hot water.
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Detroit wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:46 pm
Johnny_P wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:25 pm


Tankless won't save that much really. It's double the cost in material alone. But endless shower sounds nice. I deplete the hot water after a single shower at my house, like 10-15 mins it's donezo. Could remedy that with a larger water heater though.

I guess the expansion tank is cheap enough that it's NBD to just add it and a check valve.
:mindblown:

That's terrible. Is it a 5 gallon bucket or do you need a different shower head or ?
Yeah something is wrong, but on the other hand something HAS TO BE WRONG. Water heaters don't last 25 years.
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:54 pm
Detroit wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:46 pm

:mindblown:

That's terrible. Is it a 5 gallon bucket or do you need a different shower head or ?
Yeah something is wrong, but on the other hand something HAS TO BE WRONG. Water heaters don't last 25 years.
The one at my last house was pushing 25 years without a hint of issue. Granted, I expected it to go at any moment, but it's not my problem anymore.

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Desertbreh wrote:
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Yeah something is wrong, but on the other hand something HAS TO BE WRONG. Water heaters don't last 25 years.
The one at my last house was pushing 25 years without a hint of issue. Granted, I expected it to go at any moment, but it's not my problem anymore.

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Yeah, they can last 30 sometimes - you're just asking for catastrophic failure at that point.

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Detroit wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:51 pm
Johnny_P wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:48 pm


I don't know what the issue is. Could just be 25 years of sediment buildup in the base of the heater, lol. Also has to go up 2 floors of uninsulated piping to get to the bathroom, that ain't helping anyone.

Would be nice to sledgehammer that bathroom too. Hm.
My bathroom is up 2 floors, the water heater seems no larger than others I've seen, but it is 5 years old. All copper plumbing up to bathroom. I can take a 15 minute hot shower, wife can right after, and we can do the dishes without running out of hot water.
Yeah hence why I want to nuke this one.

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Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:02 pm

troyguitar wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:57 pm
Detroit wrote:The one at my last house was pushing 25 years without a hint of issue. Granted, I expected it to go at any moment, but it's not my problem anymore.

Imageol:
Yeah, they can last 30 sometimes - you're just asking for catastrophic failure at that point.
If we didn't move, it was on my list of things to replace this year.
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:41 pm
Water heaters: Tankless or tank?

Ours is 25 years old :yikes: time to replace it. I think the cold water dip tube is gone inside the unit because water at the tap will oscillate between hot and cold. So I'm wondering if it's worth it to go tankless. Something to keep in mind, the exhaust is what it is, I can't exactly upgrade the exhaust size at all because it goes to a common chimney tied to the boiler. It's like 4" or something.

Also, do I need an expansion tank on the cold inlet line to the water heater? Currently doesn't have one.
you prob dont have the gas plumbing and or exhaust capacity to go tankless without major work, just replace in kind.
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Detroit wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:02 pm
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Yeah, they can last 30 sometimes - you're just asking for catastrophic failure at that point.
If we didn't move, it was on my list of things to replace this year.
They are quite inexpensive vs. the damage they can do upon failure....unless its just in an unfinished basement.
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Desertbreh wrote:
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Detroit wrote:
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If we didn't move, it was on my list of things to replace this year.
They are quite inexpensive vs. the damage they can do upon failure....unless its just in an unfinished basement.
No, it was a mostly finished basement. We just had so much other pinshitting going on that I didn't think about it until the spring, when we started talking about new houses. Took the gamble that if we decided to move, nobody would care about the water heater (and it would survive long enough), and fortunately was right on both counts.
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:20 pm

golftdibrad wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:14 pm
Johnny_P wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:41 pm
Water heaters: Tankless or tank?

Ours is 25 years old :yikes: time to replace it. I think the cold water dip tube is gone inside the unit because water at the tap will oscillate between hot and cold. So I'm wondering if it's worth it to go tankless. Something to keep in mind, the exhaust is what it is, I can't exactly upgrade the exhaust size at all because it goes to a common chimney tied to the boiler. It's like 4" or something.

Also, do I need an expansion tank on the cold inlet line to the water heater? Currently doesn't have one.
you prob dont have the gas plumbing and or exhaust capacity to go tankless without major work, just replace in kind.
The more I’m looking into it I think you’re right on the exhaust at least.

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Johnny_P wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:20 pm
golftdibrad wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:14 pm


you prob dont have the gas plumbing and or exhaust capacity to go tankless without major work, just replace in kind.
The more I’m looking into it I think you’re right on the exhaust at least.
The gas supply issue is no joke too. A lot of older houses dont have enough capacity from the main line from the utility. Heating water is vv energy intensive.
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:31 pm

Johnny_P wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:20 pm
golftdibrad wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:14 pm


you prob dont have the gas plumbing and or exhaust capacity to go tankless without major work, just replace in kind.
The more I’m looking into it I think you’re right on the exhaust at least.
Truthfully, a regular replacement should be just fine for your needs. Considering the cost and logistics, that's the way I'd go for sure.
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:35 pm

Detroit wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:31 pm
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:20 pm


The more I’m looking into it I think you’re right on the exhaust at least.
Truthfully, a regular replacement should be just fine for your needs. Considering the cost and logistics, that's the way I'd go for sure.
Yep. Might try and get this done this weekend.

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Johnny_P wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:35 pm
Detroit wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:31 pm

Truthfully, a regular replacement should be just fine for your needs. Considering the cost and logistics, that's the way I'd go for sure.
Yep. Might try and get this done this weekend.
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:25 pm
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Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:49 pm
AFAIK you will need an expansion tank if you pay someone else (licensed) to do it. Those became required recently here at least so they're probably required in your hood too.

Tankless is better (instant on, infinite capacity) but costs more - if you plan on staying there long term then consider it, otherwise might as well skip it.
Tankless won't save that much really. It's double the cost in material alone. But endless shower sounds nice. I deplete the hot water after a single shower at my house, like 10-15 mins it's donezo. Could remedy that with a larger water heater though.

I guess the expansion tank is cheap enough that it's NBD to just add it and a check valve.
What size is your current tank?

What is your fuel source, gas or oil?
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Detroit wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:47 pm
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Yep I feel like Wall Street lives by rules that are unknown to me.
Same.
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Detroit wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:51 pm
Johnny_P wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:48 pm


I don't know what the issue is. Could just be 25 years of sediment buildup in the base of the heater, lol. Also has to go up 2 floors of uninsulated piping to get to the bathroom, that ain't helping anyone.

Would be nice to sledgehammer that bathroom too. Hm.
My bathroom is up 2 floors, the water heater seems no larger than others I've seen, but it is 5 years old. All copper plumbing up to bathroom. I can take a 15 minute hot shower, wife can right after, and we can do the dishes without running out of hot water.
Same here. How many gallons is your tank?
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Detroit wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:56 pm
Desertbreh wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:54 pm


Yeah something is wrong, but on the other hand something HAS TO BE WRONG. Water heaters don't last 25 years.
The one at my last house was pushing 25 years without a hint of issue. Granted, I expected it to go at any moment, but it's not my problem anymore.

:lolol:
:fuckyeah: :lolol:
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golftdibrad wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:27 pm
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The more I’m looking into it I think you’re right on the exhaust at least.
The gas supply issue is no joke too. A lot of older houses dont have enough capacity from the main line from the utility. Heating water is vv energy intensive.
This is why I asked him what his energy source was. When we put in our whole- :haus: generator a few years ago we ended up having to upgrade our gas supply pipe from the main line in the middle of the street. Our gas company came out and did it and it cost us a few grand. :disgust:
It was interesting to see how they drilled horizontally under our concrete driveway. I was worried about them having to cut a trench through it.
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:mindblown:

That's terrible. Is it a 5 gallon bucket or do you need a different shower head or ?
Yeah something is wrong, but on the other hand something HAS TO BE WRONG. Water heaters don't last 25 years.
mine was OG vintage 1981. Lasted til the bottom was so rusted out from heat it couldnt hold a pilot light. Replaced in 2016. :iono:

if you replace the sacrificial element rod, they do pretty well.
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