Jeeponomics 101: Eternal tirekicking for the gutless Jeep

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troyguitar wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:04 pm Prestone universal stuff works in everything! :scrooge:
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But only if it's OAT coolant.

Don't mix Prestone with HOAT coolant, in that case you want Zerex G-05.
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troyguitar wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:00 pm :csb:
Nah bruh, cereal issue. Silicates precipitate out when they're mixed. :science:
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QUEUE the MAX jeep :koolaid:

Look how great it holds together during small over lap/side impact etc. Looks incredibly safe. Fuck the useless walking meat bag pedestrians! Occupancy shell completely intact, no intrusion etc. THE JEEP IS A TANK! I have never seen a car perform this well.
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QUEUE the MAX jeep :koolaid:

Look how great it holds together during small over lap/side impact etc. Looks incredibly safe. Fuck the useless walking meat bag pedestrians! Occupancy shell completely intact, no intrusion etc. THE JEEP IS A TANK! I have never seen a car perform this well.
I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand it's awesome that its a tank and comparatively untouched, on the other i wonder how the shock/impact absorption was as that's damage that is not immediately visible in a video (since its dummy sensor based). Basically great if you plow into another car that absorbs all the impact but shit if you hit a barricade, wall, sumo wrestler, or other hard object.

Though the rating is pretty shit considering how it is weighted heavily in favor of driver/safety-assists and having kids the the backseat, which shouldn't be as big of a factor considering the target audience and the 2-door variant (which would be interesting to see as well). Testing a car for soccer mom purposes should be a separate category imo, like "good for adults, but bad for children, because well its a jeep".... Ultimately the problem with ratings is they paint black/white.


What do you guys make of it, since my opinion is very subjective and i quite honestly don't know much technical stuff w/ cars.
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SaxyJeep wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:20 pm
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QUEUE the MAX jeep :koolaid:

Look how great it holds together during small over lap/side impact etc. Looks incredibly safe. Fuck the useless walking meat bag pedestrians! Occupancy shell completely intact, no intrusion etc. THE JEEP IS A TANK! I have never seen a car perform this well.
I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand it's awesome that its a tank and comparatively untouched, on the other i wonder how the shock/impact absorption was as that's damage that is not immediately visible in a video (since its dummy sensor based). Basically great if you plow into another car that absorbs all the impact but shit if you hit a barricade, wall, sumo wrestler, or other hard object.

Though the rating is pretty shit considering how it is weighted heavily in favor of driver/safety-assists and having kids the the backseat, which shouldn't be as big of a factor considering the target audience and the 2-door variant (which would be interesting to see as well). Testing a car for soccer mom purposes should be a separate category imo, like "good for adults, but bad for children, because well its a jeep".... Ultimately the problem with ratings is they paint black/white.


What do you guys make of it, since my opinion is very subjective and i quite honestly don't know much technical stuff w/ cars.
If you’re worried about this imagine it plowing into a corolla. It’s about as safe as you can get today.
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SaxyJeep wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:20 pm
max225 wrote:

QUEUE the MAX jeep :koolaid:

Look how great it holds together during small over lap/side impact etc. Looks incredibly safe. Fuck the useless walking meat bag pedestrians! Occupancy shell completely intact, no intrusion etc. THE JEEP IS A TANK! I have never seen a car perform this well.
I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand it's awesome that its a tank and comparatively untouched, on the other i wonder how the shock/impact absorption was as that's damage that is not immediately visible in a video (since its dummy sensor based). Basically great if you plow into another car that absorbs all the impact but shit if you hit a barricade, wall, sumo wrestler, or other hard object.

Though the rating is pretty shit considering how it is weighted heavily in favor of driver/safety-assists and having kids the the backseat, which shouldn't be as big of a factor considering the target audience and the 2-door variant (which would be interesting to see as well). Testing a car for soccer mom purposes should be a separate category imo, like "good for adults, but bad for children, because well its a jeep".... Ultimately the problem with ratings is they paint black/white.


What do you guys make of it, since my opinion is very subjective and i quite honestly don't know much technical stuff w/ cars.
I like how the occupant cage stays the same in every shot, no crushed feet etc. I'd chose this over most vehicles if I were barreling towards a guard rail.
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SaxyJeep wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:20 pm
max225 wrote:

QUEUE the MAX jeep :koolaid:

Look how great it holds together during small over lap/side impact etc. Looks incredibly safe. Fuck the useless walking meat bag pedestrians! Occupancy shell completely intact, no intrusion etc. THE JEEP IS A TANK! I have never seen a car perform this well.
I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand it's awesome that its a tank and comparatively untouched, on the other i wonder how the shock/impact absorption was as that's damage that is not immediately visible in a video (since its dummy sensor based). Basically great if you plow into another car that absorbs all the impact but shit if you hit a barricade, wall, sumo wrestler, or other hard object.

Though the rating is pretty shit considering how it is weighted heavily in favor of driver/safety-assists and having kids the the backseat, which shouldn't be as big of a factor considering the target audience and the 2-door variant (which would be interesting to see as well). Testing a car for soccer mom purposes should be a separate category imo, like "good for adults, but bad for children, because well its a jeep".... Ultimately the problem with ratings is they paint black/white.


What do you guys make of it, since my opinion is very subjective and i quite honestly don't know much technical stuff w/ cars.
You could say it shouldn't be docked because it doesn't have crash avoidance stuff. But here's the reality. You hit something at 40 you'll live. Hit it at 70 and NGH. Crash avoidance / mitigation stuff is about bringing that closing speed down to something where the car can actually protect you, or avoiding it all together. We've basically reached the limit on what a car's structure itself combined with air bags can do to protect you because damage to a person is related to high-G acceleration, and the only way to reduce the acceleration is to increase the time. Crash structures increase the time duration of an impact. So there's a finite limit on what it can do since you're working with what, 3 feet of crumple zone? If you can work with 100 feet of slam the brakes you could come out in WAY better shape.

In theory, crash avoidance stuff avoiding one single accident, or reducing it at least, pays itself off fully. Medical costs are astronomical in this country.
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SaxyJeep wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:20 pm I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand it's awesome that its a tank and comparatively untouched, on the other i wonder how the shock/impact absorption was as that's damage that is not immediately visible in a video (since its dummy sensor based). Basically great if you plow into another car that absorbs all the impact but shit if you hit a barricade, wall, sumo wrestler, or other hard object.

Though the rating is pretty shit considering how it is weighted heavily in favor of driver/safety-assists and having kids the the backseat, which shouldn't be as big of a factor considering the target audience and the 2-door variant (which would be interesting to see as well). Testing a car for soccer mom purposes should be a separate category imo, like "good for adults, but bad for children, because well its a jeep".... Ultimately the problem with ratings is they paint black/white.


What do you guys make of it, since my opinion is very subjective and i quite honestly don't know much technical stuff w/ cars.
You could say it shouldn't be docked because it doesn't have crash avoidance stuff. But here's the reality. You hit something at 40 you'll live. Hit it at 70 and NGH. Crash avoidance / mitigation stuff is about bringing that closing speed down to something where the car can actually protect you, or avoiding it all together. We've basically reached the limit on what a car's structure itself combined with air bags can do to protect you because damage to a person is related to high-G acceleration, and the only way to reduce the acceleration is to increase the time. Crash structures increase the time duration of an impact. So there's a finite limit on what it can do since you're working with what, 3 feet of crumple zone? If you can work with 100 feet of slam the brakes you could come out in WAY better shape.

In theory, crash avoidance stuff avoiding one single accident, or reducing it at least, pays itself off fully. Medical costs are astronomical in this country.
I see, that is a very fair point, in that case yea the car is fantastic for survivability as far as structure is concerned, especially when plowing into a soft object like a plastic japanese car, or vice cersa. My concern with the automation aspects is the security of the systems themselves (i work in cyber security), but well, tech integration will come whether i want it or not as the market demands it.

The metal vs plastic is always rather funny to me, as my first car was a Chrysler Sebring and even when i got rear ended at a highway exit, all the damage i had was paint scratch while the other car had a destroyed bumper. American cars ftw


It is interesting to note that the rating is low because it didn't have that tech, yet the report itself states that the European version of the car, available in 2019, will have that tech. You'd think the European bodies would test the European (version) cars.
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Everyone's over here freaking out about the European crash ratings of the JL while I'm sitting here wondering when GM is finally going to replace the fucking airbags in my truck.
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troyguitar wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:00 pm :csb:
Nah bruh, cereal issue. Silicates precipitate out when they're mixed. :science:
:dat: x10

i get super :triggered: on coolants and :derp: that mix them.

The JKU used 2 diff types of coolants since it had such a long run. The later models even use the new $$$ freon. Lots of weird half year splits on :jeep:
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troyguitar wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:55 pm

:fancy: :koolaid:
Grippin' and sippin' on the purple stuff tonight?
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Just grippin that :dong:
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troyguitar wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:18 pm
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Hmm I kinda sorta hate Will Ferrel so I never have... Same with Adam Sandler. Can't stand that man either.
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Johnny_P wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:23 pm OATS AND HOATS
It’s the fuckin Catalina transmission mixer.
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Huckleberry wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:34 am Everyone's over here freaking out about the European crash ratings of the JL while I'm sitting here wondering when GM is finally going to replace the fucking airbags in my truck.
Airbag replacement? :butwhy:
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Does anyone outside of soccer moms actually shop based on safety results?
As the only published author in a well-known motorcycle publication in the room...
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4zilch wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:54 am Does anyone outside of soccer moms actually shop based on safety results?
Anyone shops on safety results?
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4zilch wrote:Does anyone outside of soccer moms actually shop based on safety results?
I just buy light cars with good tires and pay attention, that's my collision avoidance system. :fullretard:
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troyguitar wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:23 am
4zilch wrote:Does anyone outside of soccer moms actually shop based on safety results?
I just buy light cars with good tires and pay attention, that's my collision avoidance system. :fullretard:
It's all fun and games until the nigerian prince ramz your ass on the freeway while not carrying insurance.:triggered:
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Apex wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:49 am
Huckleberry wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:34 am Everyone's over here freaking out about the European crash ratings of the JL while I'm sitting here wondering when GM is finally going to replace the fucking airbags in my truck.
Airbag replacement? :butwhy:
It's part of the Takata recall. However, GM keeps trying to get a government pass by saying the Takata airbags they used in their vehicles are of a different spec than the Takata airbags supplied to every other manufacturer affected by this recall. It has been over two years since I received the recall notice.
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Huckleberry wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:55 am
Apex wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:49 am

Airbag replacement? :butwhy:
It's part of the Takata recall. However, GM keeps trying to get a government pass by saying the Takata airbags they used in their vehicles are of a different spec than the Takata airbags supplied to every other manufacturer affected by this recall. It has been over two years since I received the recall notice.
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Huckleberry wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:55 am
Apex wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:49 am

Airbag replacement? :butwhy:
It's part of the Takata recall. However, GM keeps trying to get a government pass by saying the Takata airbags they used in their vehicles are of a different spec than the Takata airbags supplied to every other manufacturer affected by this recall. It has been over two years since I received the recall notice.
The Entire car is just ready to pop! If the side air bags don’t kill you after hitting a big bump the front airbags will finish the job, God’s plan !
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Huckleberry wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:55 am

It's part of the Takata recall. However, GM keeps trying to get a government pass by saying the Takata airbags they used in their vehicles are of a different spec than the Takata airbags supplied to every other manufacturer affected by this recall. It has been over two years since I received the recall notice.
Typical GM things. :rolleyes:
The comfort in :jeep: (lack of) safety is knowing at least it's better than GM, lol
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[user not found] wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:09 am
Huckleberry wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:55 am

It's part of the Takata recall. However, GM keeps trying to get a government pass by saying the Takata airbags they used in their vehicles are of a different spec than the Takata airbags supplied to every other manufacturer affected by this recall. It has been over two years since I received the recall notice.
Typical GM things. :rolleyes:
"It's safe. It's to our specs. Trust us," says the same company that brought us the ignition switch of death.
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Man. The want is real. I'm serious, take 4 weeks and just fuck off with the GF and dog.
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