I still love the belvedere wheels from the clubsport. Shame we never got them over here. I think they're forged too. Looks like ECS has them listed on their site now. wheel for sure.
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I've driven both and, well, it rides like a Cadilliac because of DCC. Maybe not quite, but a Golf R on 19s with the DCC set to comfort feels pretty much exactly like my GTI on 18s with the non-adjustable dampers.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:46 pm Question from someone who drove these things... how shitty does it ride on those 19s? And please don't give me this whole "Adjustable shocks are magic" and it "rides like a cadillac because of that".
Say golf R on 19s compared to last gen on 18s? or vs gti on 18s?
My current car is rolling on dubs, and it is a bit larger than the golf and a bit more compliant as a platform, but 18s would make the ride quite a bit better for a DD while likely giving up only a bit of handling.
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The main issue for me is not the stiffness of the shocks, it is hitting various road imperfections (concrete slab overlaps for ex), there is physically less "rubber/air" to "absorb" the impact. I don't mind stiff, or soft or whatever it is the sudden impacts that reverberate through the vehicle with larger wheels that really bother me.Gberg2119 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:25 pmI drive on both with the . It doesn't ride like shit at all on the 19's. All the reviews that say there's a difference between drive modes are true. No it doesn't ride like a cadillac in comfort mode on the 19's but there is a noticeable difference in ride quality when changing modes. Also these aren't the GM shocks that constantly adjust while you drive. You set em and forget em.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:46 pm Question from someone who drove these things... how shitty does it ride on those 19s? And please don't give me this whole "Adjustable shocks are magic" and it "rides like a cadillac because of that".
Say golf R on 19s compared to last gen on 18s? or vs gti on 18s?
My current car is rolling on dubs, and it is a bit larger than the golf and a bit more compliant as a platform, but 18s would make the ride quite a bit better for a DD while likely giving up only a bit of handling.
The differences in drive modes are what you'd expect between the 2 different wheel sizes. Every mode is just a bit softer on the 18's.
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Got it that explains it. The DCC is worth "1"". Makes perfect sense.coogles wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:39 pmI've driven both and, well, it rides like a Cadilliac because of DCC. Maybe not quite, but a Golf R on 19s with the DCC set to comfort feels pretty much exactly like my GTI on 18s with the non-adjustable dampers.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:46 pm Question from someone who drove these things... how shitty does it ride on those 19s? And please don't give me this whole "Adjustable shocks are magic" and it "rides like a cadillac because of that".
Say golf R on 19s compared to last gen on 18s? or vs gti on 18s?
My current car is rolling on dubs, and it is a bit larger than the golf and a bit more compliant as a platform, but 18s would make the ride quite a bit better for a DD while likely giving up only a bit of handling.
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Perfect 2/2 folks essentially stated the same thing.Tarspin wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:09 pmSo nothing bottoms out, and there is a Comfort setting that gets the 19s to feel like 18x8.5" VMR V810s on my TDI with stock setup, but in Race mode the ride is choppy. Not sure if its STi stiff but up there. Comparatively, Comfort mode with my 17 inch winters feels like the TDI on 15" winters. So there is some suspension and chassis improvement that helps the R cope with 19s in a daily setting.
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My god... is that guy smoking.coogles wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:59 pmNot exactly DCC, but https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpo ... tcount=321.
Which is why it is so hard to "trust" anything you read on the internet.mpressions: My first thought was how much the steering feel changed. The steering wheel felt, for lack of better words, more fluid. It felt so much easier to steer the car. Even going 10 mph, the car felt glued to the ground. Minor inputs of the wheel had a big effect on how the car moved. This I liked. I began remembering how the stock inputs felt. They felt as if the wheels were on the ground, but the car was simply floating on top and had to really struggle and work the steering wheel to get the car to move. It felt heavier, in a bad way. A lot more work to get the car pointed in the direction you wanted to go in. Now, it felt super smooth and fluid as I carved the back roads. This feeling alone made it worth it. It felt like butter. Now, I have had many sets of suspension in the past and know what it feels like to be in a back breaker.
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I have no idea what that paragraph is supposed to mean and I read it 5 times now.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:05 pmMy god... is that guy smoking.coogles wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:59 pm
Not exactly DCC, but https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showpo ... tcount=321.
Which is why it is so hard to "trust" anything you read on the internet.mpressions: My first thought was how much the steering feel changed. The steering wheel felt, for lack of better words, more fluid. It felt so much easier to steer the car. Even going 10 mph, the car felt glued to the ground. Minor inputs of the wheel had a big effect on how the car moved. This I liked. I began remembering how the stock inputs felt. They felt as if the wheels were on the ground, but the car was simply floating on top and had to really struggle and work the steering wheel to get the car to move. It felt heavier, in a bad way. A lot more work to get the car pointed in the direction you wanted to go in. Now, it felt super smooth and fluid as I carved the back roads. This feeling alone made it worth it. It felt like butter. Now, I have had many sets of suspension in the past and know what it feels like to be in a back breaker.
I also struggle to understand how a 7kg/mm spring can feel softer than a 5.8kg/mm spring. His car likely rides much firmer and "stiffer" than stock while eliminating the bounce the stock STI has. The bounce elimination is all I'm after, which should be attainable with base WRX front dampers I'd think. I could always test drive a 2015 WRX at Carmax or something to verify the ride.
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IIRC the WRX I drove felt relatively soft, it felt like a tincan but a soft one. A mk7 GTI rode much nicer for a DD.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:17 pmI have no idea what that paragraph is supposed to mean and I read it 5 times now.
I also struggle to understand how a 7kg/mm spring can feel softer than a 5.8kg/mm spring. His car likely rides much firmer and "stiffer" than stock while eliminating the bounce the stock STI has. The bounce elimination is all I'm after, which should be attainable with base WRX front dampers I'd think. I could always test drive a 2015 WRX at Carmax or something to verify the ride.
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That's because Golfs have much softer springs.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:26 pmIIRC the WRX I drove felt relatively soft, it felt like a tincan but a soft one. A mk7 GTI rode much nicer for a DD.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:17 pm
I have no idea what that paragraph is supposed to mean and I read it 5 times now.
I also struggle to understand how a 7kg/mm spring can feel softer than a 5.8kg/mm spring. His car likely rides much firmer and "stiffer" than stock while eliminating the bounce the stock STI has. The bounce elimination is all I'm after, which should be attainable with base WRX front dampers I'd think. I could always test drive a 2015 WRX at Carmax or something to verify the ride.
STI front: 5.8kg/mm = 325 lb/in
STI rear: 5.2 kg/mm = 291 lb/in
MK7 R with DCC front: 250 lb/in
MK7 R with DCC rear: 190 lb/in
But yeah, a coilover with a 392 lb/in spring will ride better than stock
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LIKE BUTTER BRO. ALSO STEERING WHEEL TURNS MUCH EASIER.
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So, to maintain full suspension travel and keep to minimal NVH we've come to 325# front and 300# rear. This is a minimum factorization.
So it sounds like the STI is perfect... according to a guy who at least describes his post using and not feelings.
So, to maintain full suspension travel and keep to minimal NVH we've come to 325# front and 300# rear. This is a minimum factorization.
So it sounds like the STI is perfect... according to a guy who at least describes his post using and not feelings.
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Current VA chassis, WRX base and STI use same springs rates, STI just a hair higher on the rear. Rear dampers are same. Front dampers are the difference, with the STI being a monotube and WRX being a twin tube.
but apparently monotube dampers feel overly active at low speeds. i.e. bouncy.
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Spring rate is pretty good. And really the dampers are fine at speed. It's just the low speed jiggles that annoy me.max225 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:36 pm https://www.igotasti.com/vBforum/thread ... ring-Rates
So, to maintain full suspension travel and keep to minimal NVH we've come to 325# front and 300# rear. This is a minimum factorization.
So it sounds like the STI is perfect... according to a guy who at least describes his post using and not feelings.
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