President Trump

[razr390]

Not to mention illegal immigrants pay over 11 billion in state and local taxes.

We gave the Pentagon 82 billion more than they even asked for this year. That's where your money is going

Unmanaged immigration is bad but reacting to it instead of planning how to manage it is worse.

I think this is what I was trying to say too. I wasn’t trying to equalize but was more referring to both parties “reacting” to it rather than proposing solutions to manage/reform the processes

[razr390]

I really don't understand why we don't just manage it? Want to come here? AWESOME! here's a social security number and you get to pay taxes just like any other citizen.

How does tearing up families and parking people in detention centers solving anything? Why is immigration such an issue now? This country is founded on it.

Fully agreed. The truth is that Republicunts don't want immigrants here because they tend to vote Democratic. Here's a thought, stop vilifying them, lying about them, and start treating them with dignity and offer them assistance and an easy way to get in and they may start voting for you. But , dehumanizing them is easier and plays better to their foaming-at-the-mouth Trumpie base.

Great point. Most people favor those who make their lives easier and better, if Reublicans could do that instead of the regurgitated rhetoric they might get somewhere. It’s just a politico ego and mud slinging contest and that’s nothing new.

[Thedude]

Moral's role in governance (edit) of a free society.

I've very intrigued with your view that "morals" can't be objective and universally defined.

I do agree that "morals" in western society can be subjective and tend to be tied to a religious interpretation. If you remove that from governing, what is the role of government? Protect liberties or give handouts?

I think within the next 200 years the main role of governments will be to solve business disputes and regulate trade/economies. I think that even the majority of peoples safety/security will be handled by global corporations and business. People will be more loyal to their company than their country. I see it happening now in my current job working for a global company. People are relocating all around the world every few years. All kinds of cultural/diversity training happening every year. Inclusion/tolerance events happening all the time. And the health and wellness programs cover everything from how to sleep to how to stretch. The resources are literally touching every aspect of life from getting a promotion to having a child.

I think it's a good thing for the people of the world to be more globalists than nationalists. I see a bright future.

[KYGTIGuy]

I enjoy and respect his love of philosophy. It's a worthwhile endeavour but it comes off as detached on this particular discussion.

Did I walk through the door or did the door and everything I see shift and move around me giving me the perception that I moved through the door? Either way, I'm in the kitchen and there is a kid in a cage by the sink.

Totally.

Have you never considered the morals of a sociopath, Wap? No? Therefore you can't say harming children is morally wrong.

Won't someone think if the sociopaths morals?

[MexicanYarisTK]

Good discussion on borders/illegals.

Therefore, the practical side of me sees borders as necessary and if a border exists then it is reasonable to expect some form of consequence for violating that border. Else the border is essentially useless.

So now we have this great debate over the handling of the consequences for trying to bypass the border in this country. Frankly, I don't see a solution that would appease everyone.

Exactly.

I love the people that over generalize and go way back to european aggressor "immigrants".

Yes. The entire US population should vacate now. we all have reasonably established boarders. That's the game now. The game has evolved over the years. To maintain some basic ideal of our society we have to play by the rules. We just will never agree on the rules.

Well pretty much everyone in this country is related to an immigrant or an immigrant that came to the US at one point in the past since 1492, including Central and South America.

The point is, you can’t call out people that are illegal when this land is stolen wayyy before any of us were born, no i’m not defending for those current individuals to enter the country illegally, if they can do it so, they should do it so it’ll be easier for them and also a better piece of mind, but remember some of these individuals came from a legit shithole country and attaining visas or documents can be very difficult for them. This also includes some people who can’t attain their own id’s at villages in Turkey where they are clueless the fact that a such thing even exists. Not to mention, this one Asylum seeker paid $8,000 to a smuggler, , getting a visa and green card, plane ticket, would save you in the neighborhood of $7,200.

[KYGTIGuy]

What about the morals of aliens? Maybe they eat cats and don't see anything wrong with it?


I do enjoy these fun little games. It's an escape from reality we all need from time to time.

[dubshow]

Totally.

Have you never considered the morals of a sociopath, Wap? No? Therefore you can't say harming children is morally wrong.

Won't someone think if the sociopaths morals?

You say sociopath, Dude says religious zealot.

[dubshow]

What about the morals of aliens? Maybe they eat cats and don't see anything wrong with it?


I do enjoy these fun little games. It's an escape from reality we all need from time to time.

Except its your cat and you just paid $100 for its annual check up at the vet.

[Thedude]

What about the morals of aliens? Maybe they eat cats and don't see anything wrong with it?


I do enjoy these fun little games. It's an escape from reality we all need from time to time.

I'm pretty sure there are humans that have beaten the aliens to the punch. I hope I haven't unwittingly been one... I've eaten in questionable places before

[dubshow]

@[user not found]

speaking of makers and takers:
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-l ... ment/2700/

Id say its fairly distributed nowadays. Even mix of it. The most surprising? New Mexico is leading the way.

[KYGTIGuy]

Have you never considered the morals of a sociopath, Wap? No? Therefore you can't say harming children is morally wrong.

Won't someone think if the sociopaths morals?

You say sociopath, Dude says religious zealot.

Just a misunderstood soul.

Who's to say the sociopath isn't the normal one?

Lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta whathaveyous

[KYGTIGuy]

What about the morals of aliens? Maybe they eat cats and don't see anything wrong with it?


I do enjoy these fun little games. It's an escape from reality we all need from time to time.

Except its your cat and you just paid $100 for its annual check up at the vet.

And it had s skin condition that was going to require medication will for life?

To Eat or not to eat, that is the question...

[Thedude]

Enjoy the 4th, y'all

[dubshow]

Enjoy the 4th, y'all

Always do, cage free of course.

[dubshow]

Except its your cat and you just paid $100 for its annual check up at the vet.

And it had s skin condition that was going to require medication will for life?

To Eat or not to eat, that is the question...

anti-

[goIftdibrad]

[wap]

Totally.

Have you never considered the morals of a sociopath, Wap? No? Therefore you can't say harming children is morally wrong.

Won't someone think if the sociopaths morals?

Inorite?

[razr390]

I've very intrigued with your view that "morals" can't be objective and universally defined.

I do agree that "morals" in western society can be subjective and tend to be tied to a religious interpretation. If you remove that from governing, what is the role of government? Protect liberties or give handouts?

I think within the next 200 years the main role of governments will be to solve business disputes and regulate trade/economies. I think that even the majority of peoples safety/security will be handled by global corporations and business. People will be more loyal to their company than their country. I see it happening now in my current job working for a global company. People are relocating all around the world every few years. All kinds of cultural/diversity training happening every year. Inclusion/tolerance events happening all the time. And the health and wellness programs cover everything from how to sleep to how to stretch. The resources are literally touching every aspect of life from getting a promotion to having a child.

I think it's a good thing for the people of the world to be more globalists than nationalists. I see a bright future.

This is something I can agree with.

[wap]

I think this is what I was trying to say too. I wasn’t trying to equalize but was more referring to both parties “reacting” to it rather than proposing solutions to manage/reform the processes

One side has literally 100% of the power and they can't figure it out on their own.

Hell, a few years ago they had a comprehensive immigration bill and they wouldn't even allow it to come up for a vote. Fucking retards.

[KYGTIGuy]

I think this is what I was trying to say too. I wasn’t trying to equalize but was more referring to both parties “reacting” to it rather than proposing solutions to manage/reform the processes

One side has literally 100% of the power and they can't figure it out on their own.

It's the same with healthcare.

People are going to get sick and need care.

Do we pay for it smartly or like a bunch of dickheads?

[KYGTIGuy]

Enjoy the 4th, y'all

You as well

[wap]

One side has literally 100% of the power and they can't figure it out on their own.

It's the same with healthcare.

People are going to get sick and need care.

Do we pay for it smartly or like a bunch of dickheads?

too. They gonna FUBAR that as well, if given a chance.

[MexicanYarisTK]

One side has literally 100% of the power and they can't figure it out on their own.

It's the same with healthcare.

People are going to get sick and need care.

Do we pay for it smartly or like a bunch of dickheads?

Dat, i recently sprained the bottom of my feet, and had to pay $200 for some bullshit about sitting in ER bed and shit. This shit doesn’t happen in Turkey or Mexico (for people that have an income of any sort)

[KYGTIGuy]

Twitter feed is all supreme Court. Don't really care at this point.

Mississippi bans abortion? Move. What the fuck are you doing there anyway?

[KYGTIGuy]

Muller's indictments today aren't good news for Trump's campaign.

Gucier/Russian intelligence/dnc hack -> Roger Stone -> campaign