This is not the worst idea.Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:18 amSell it to carmax for maximumDetroit wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:16 am
Finding a $15k Cayman is the hard part, and then selling it again for $15k will be immensely difficult wading through all the people asking for records, etc. Yes it will sell for $15k eventually, but it'll be a hassle dealing with the
Selling my $7k 951 was ridiculous.
But I know I'm and it's #fakenews.
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I'd be curious for back to back comparos but [user not found]'s modded-to-hell NC seemed to ride better than the stock BRZ I test drove. I mean it should though, better suspension design. The legless-child seat of the BRZ is kinda nice though.
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The idea is to expect depreciation on the $15k car because it is not special. Take the extra money that you didn't spend on maintenance and 18" tires, PASM shocks, sales tax, annual property taxes, etc. and consider THAT savings to be worth losing $5k on the $15k car.Detroit wrote:Finding a $15k Cayman is the hard part, and then selling it again for $15k will be immensely difficult wading through all the people asking for records, etc. Yes it will sell for $15k eventually, but it'll be a hassle dealing with thetroyguitar wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:13 am If you don't pay that premium up front and don't continue to pay it for service, why would you expect to sell the car for a premium later? You know how much a $15k Cayman can depreciate? $15k. That's the same as a new
Now, buying a $40k+ 987.2S is a different story. You're locked into service if you want to get that money back on resale... plus the car has more expensive parts on it anyway.
The spec for a 987.2S that I'd want over a basic bolt-on 987.1 is $50k and impossible to find: S in a real color with Sport Buckets (not sport seats, the $4k bucket option), LSD, Sport Chrono, PASM, and ideally PCCB but those are just cool and not necessary. It costs double to buy and at least double to maintain, it's not really an option.
Selling my $7k 951 was ridiculous.
But I know I'm and it's #fakenews.
The difference in taxes alone probably covers the difference in depreciation.
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Nobody gives a damn about front engine Porsches anyway, I'm not surprised that they're hard to sell. I'd never buy one.
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Yet you bought a Miata.[user not found] wrote:I love the 944.troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:26 am Nobody gives a damn about front engine Porsches anyway, I'm not surprised that they're hard to sell. I'd never buy one.
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No, no...there was ample demand. It was the hoops people wanted me to jump through with inspections, records, fixing things before delivery, etc, etc...THAT was the pain and from what I understand is unique to people looking to buy Porsches. Any Porsche.troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:26 am Nobody gives a damn about front engine Porsches anyway, I'm not surprised that they're hard to sell. I'd never buy one.
I guess a $10k Cayman will sell to anyone with minimal effort, but it's still going to be more of a pain than selling a Corolla.
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"Enthusiasts" have zero tolerance for paint swirls, lack of documented maintenance, DIY maintenance and fixes, etc. Whereas a $10k corolla buyer will be ecstatic they have a reliable car that gets good fuel mileage and who cares about that bird shit stain on the paint?Detroit wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:30 amNo, no...there was ample demand. It was the hoops people wanted me to jump through with inspections, records, fixing things before delivery, etc, etc...THAT was the pain and from what I understand is unique to people looking to buy Porsches. Any Porsche.troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:26 am Nobody gives a damn about front engine Porsches anyway, I'm not surprised that they're hard to sell. I'd never buy one.
I guess a $10k Cayman will sell to anyone with minimal effort, but it's still going to be more of a pain than selling a Corolla.
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Detroit wrote:No, no...there was ample demand. It was the hoops people wanted me to jump through with inspections, records, fixing things before delivery, etc, etc...THAT was the pain and from what I understand is unique to people looking to buy Porsches. Any Porsche.troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:26 am Nobody gives a damn about front engine Porsches anyway, I'm not surprised that they're hard to sell. I'd never buy one.
I guess a $10k Cayman will sell to anyone with minimal effort, but it's still going to be more of a pain than selling a Corolla.
Maybe I'm but I don't think that the Cayman is like that. Everyone who likes great handling cars wants one, not just everyone who likes Porsches. I wish that there was a newer MR2/Fiero coupe that I could buy instead, I have no interest in paying for and displaying the Porsche badge.
It's the only DD-able semi-affordable car on the market with a proper MR layout and probably will remain that way forever.
The "Porsche guys" see 987 prices holding relatively steady and are all because for a little bit more money you can buy a 911 - Why would you want anything but a 911?
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I totally get the desire, but I just think selling one will be a monumental pain because of the badge. Though, if you're buying a $15k car and looking to sell it for $10k, it probably won't be that bad.troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:49 amDetroit wrote: No, no...there was ample demand. It was the hoops people wanted me to jump through with inspections, records, fixing things before delivery, etc, etc...THAT was the pain and from what I understand is unique to people looking to buy Porsches. Any Porsche.
I guess a $10k Cayman will sell to anyone with minimal effort, but it's still going to be more of a pain than selling a Corolla.
Maybe I'm but I don't think that the Cayman is like that. Everyone who likes great handling cars wants one, not just everyone who likes Porsches. I wish that there was a newer MR2/Fiero coupe that I could buy instead, I have no interest in paying for and displaying the Porsche badge.
It's the only DD-able semi-affordable car on the market with a proper MR layout and probably will remain that way forever.
The "Porsche guys" see 987 prices holding relatively steady and are all because for a little bit more money you can buy a 911 - Why would you want anything but a 911?
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Johnny_P wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:34 am"Enthusiasts" have zero tolerance for paint swirls, lack of documented maintenance, DIY maintenance and fixes, etc. Whereas a $10k corolla buyer will be ecstatic they have a reliable car that gets good fuel mileage and who cares about that bird shit stain on the paint?Detroit wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:30 am
No, no...there was ample demand. It was the hoops people wanted me to jump through with inspections, records, fixing things before delivery, etc, etc...THAT was the pain and from what I understand is unique to people looking to buy Porsches. Any Porsche.
I guess a $10k Cayman will sell to anyone with minimal effort, but it's still going to be more of a pain than selling a Corolla.
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Yeah, but who does want to deal with old car problems and Porsche tax in a water cooled 4-cylinder front engine car? That is a tiny market, especially when things like the FRZ exist to do most of the same things better.[user not found] wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:25 pmP-tax man. I also don't wanna deal with old car problems right now.
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You also work for Mazda now sooooo[user not found] wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:25 pmP-tax man. I also don't wanna deal with old car problems right now.
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944?troyguitar wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 11:29 amYet you bought a Miata.[user not found] wrote:
I love the 944.
Here's a great deal!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-944-Tu ... uJ&vxp=mtr
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The price is quite honestly the most insane price for a Poorshe I have ever encountered.[user not found] wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:21 pmAwful exterior color. Dat interior, doe.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:49 pm
944?
Here's a great deal!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-944-Tu ... uJ&vxp=mtr
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I think there might be 6 figure 914's by now, dunno if that's worse.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:37 pmThe price is quite honestly the most insane price for a Poorshe I have ever encountered.
An X1/9 which is cooler in many ways, on the other hand, is 4 figures.
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WUTtroyguitar wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:42 pmI think there might be 6 figure 914's by now, dunno if that's worse.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:37 pm
The price is quite honestly the most insane price for a Poorshe I have ever encountered.
An X1/9 which is cooler in many ways, on the other hand, is 4 figures.
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I love the 944 in all forms, I just think the low mileage ones priced like a very nice used Carrera S is just
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Numbers matching, original 914-6 I could see getting up there.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:43 pmWUTtroyguitar wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:42 pm
I think there might be 6 figure 914's by now, dunno if that's worse.
An X1/9 which is cooler in many ways, on the other hand, is 4 figures.
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I mean, a ROSE 944 Turbo or this? https://www.ebay.com/itm/911-Carrera-S- ... u-&vxp=mtr.
Come on man.
Come on man.
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TRIBUTE 914-6.......not that nice,
https://www.ebay.com/itm/914-6-Tribute/ ... Zz&vxp=mtr
Guy wants $55K. My inner Max is
https://www.ebay.com/itm/914-6-Tribute/ ... Zz&vxp=mtr
Guy wants $55K. My inner Max is
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[user not found] wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:50 pmI hate vehicle speculation in general anymore.Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:44 pm I love the 944 in all forms, I just think the low mileage ones priced like a very nice used Carrera S is just
Just makes people about driving a car.
It's another reason not to spend the extra on a perfect 987.2S, NSX, GT3, etc. with resale value as the means of affording it... the more you drive the thing, the less likely you are to get that money back. I want a car that I can drive 15k miles a year without blowing $5k+ in depreciation+maintenance per year.
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Nice car. Not a great price as with 25000 more mileages its back into the 30'/40's $$Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:49 pm944?
Here's a great deal!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-944-Tu ... uJ&vxp=mtr
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Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 1:49 pm944?
Here's a great deal!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-944-Tu ... uJ&vxp=mtr
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Desertbreh wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 2:51 pm TRIBUTE 914-6.......not that nice,
https://www.ebay.com/itm/914-6-Tribute/ ... Zz&vxp=mtr
Guy wants $55K. My inner Max is