Jeeponomics 201: Toledo Griff

[max225]

Yeah, the facelifts on the Tesla's are about as good as this...

I think it's a weird choice for long distance trips... super chargers or not, range anxiety is definitely a thing based on owners I've talked to. Teslas are indeed amazing in many ways, but I just don't like them. It's an opinion thing, but I think I am one of few here to have actually driven a fast Tesla (P90D)... yes, it's ... but it just ain't "it".

I think my iPhone is really nice, it works perfectly, it's designed well, it does all that I ask of it. I don't give a shit about my iPhone. Teslas are this to me.

I can't do a Model 3 or Y but this has an IT factor that the run of the mill teslas don't.

[D Griff]

Man... a face only a mother could love...

It really grew on me, and the doors go up, it drives itself, uses no gas, and has a shit ton of space inside. All SUVs are hideous to me with a few exceptions.

This is what I like from an SUV perspective
G Wagen
GLC43 AMG
RR Sport (1st gen)
RR Up to current gen
Wrangler
That's it...

Without a doubt it is a super useful and (other than price) practical vehicle with great performance. Hence the iPhone analogy.

[max225]

It really grew on me, and the doors go up, it drives itself, uses no gas, and has a shit ton of space inside. All SUVs are hideous to me with a few exceptions.

This is what I like from an SUV perspective
G Wagen
GLC43 AMG
RR Sport (1st gen)
RR Up to current gen
Wrangler
That's it...

Without a doubt it is a super useful and (other than price) practical vehicle with great performance. Hence the iPhone analogy.

Yea this isn't meant to be some sort of super fun to drive (although I am sure it is on on ramps) but more like practical, semi rare, unique and interesting vehicle to own.

Mini fun factor is impossible to beat for the money... so it is staying... but it would be nice to have something to be practical in as well... also... I am still pretty drooly over the TURD taco, so I may just go that route and save 45k.

[D Griff]

Without a doubt it is a super useful and (other than price) practical vehicle with great performance. Hence the iPhone analogy.

Yea this isn't meant to be some sort of super fun to drive (although I am sure it is on on ramps) but more like practical, semi rare, unique and interesting vehicle to own.

Mini fun factor is impossible to beat for the money... so it is staying... but it would be nice to have something to be practical in as well... also... I am still pretty drooly over the TURD taco, so I may just go that route and save 45k.

I'm probably a broken record here... but the Taco sounds like the move here - it is still a perfectly acceptable place to spend a trip, most new vehicles are nice and Toyota has quite good build quality. It is pennies on the dollar to own compared to the Tesla, offers more fun IMO (do you value acceleration or going into the woods and stuff?). Taco is probably more interesting/unique in the Bay Area versus another Tesla. The bed is actually pretty useful with home ownershit, I have always denounced and now sometimes want one. Sure, you can borrow the ancient one, but that is a hassle.

I don't have wants for a Tacoma because it just isn't special to me, but it is overall a pretty compelling vehicle, especially when you have another fun car around to fulfill that piece.

[max225]

Yea this isn't meant to be some sort of super fun to drive (although I am sure it is on on ramps) but more like practical, semi rare, unique and interesting vehicle to own.

Mini fun factor is impossible to beat for the money... so it is staying... but it would be nice to have something to be practical in as well... also... I am still pretty drooly over the TURD taco, so I may just go that route and save 45k.

I'm probably a broken record here... but the Taco sounds like the move here - it is still a perfectly acceptable place to spend a trip, most new vehicles are nice and Toyota has quite good build quality. It is pennies on the dollar to own compared to the Tesla, offers more fun IMO (do you value acceleration or going into the woods and stuff?). Taco is probably more interesting/unique in the Bay Area versus another Tesla. The bed is actually pretty useful with home ownershit, I have always denounced and now sometimes want one. Sure, you can borrow the ancient one, but that is a hassle.

I don't have wants for a Tacoma because it just isn't special to me, but it is overall a pretty compelling vehicle, especially when you have another fun car around to fulfill that piece.

I think I am mostly agreeing with you here. I am just debating about the proper setup or or auto... I hate the idea of the auto because it is ancient and so many complaints are logged about it... but the may prevent from enjoying the vehicle.

[D Griff]

I'm probably a broken record here... but the Taco sounds like the move here - it is still a perfectly acceptable place to spend a trip, most new vehicles are nice and Toyota has quite good build quality. It is pennies on the dollar to own compared to the Tesla, offers more fun IMO (do you value acceleration or going into the woods and stuff?). Taco is probably more interesting/unique in the Bay Area versus another Tesla. The bed is actually pretty useful with home ownershit, I have always denounced and now sometimes want one. Sure, you can borrow the ancient one, but that is a hassle.

I don't have wants for a Tacoma because it just isn't special to me, but it is overall a pretty compelling vehicle, especially when you have another fun car around to fulfill that piece.

I think I am mostly agreeing with you here. I am just debating about the proper setup or or auto... I hate the idea of the auto because it is ancient and so many complaints are logged about it... but the may prevent from enjoying the vehicle.

I was pretty clear from day one in my relationship that she would just have to with and cars she doesn't really like. I don't think she cares at all in my case, it's just sort of my thing and she has her things. It is kind of nice having the Jeep for trips together though, so when we're traveling we can both enjoy. She really liked the BMW but always wished it were auto so "she could drive it" on trips (even though she did drive it just fine and normally just chose not to).

[max225]

I think I am mostly agreeing with you here. I am just debating about the proper setup or or auto... I hate the idea of the auto because it is ancient and so many complaints are logged about it... but the may prevent from enjoying the vehicle.

I was pretty clear from day one in my relationship that she would just have to with and cars she doesn't really like. I don't think she cares at all in my case, it's just sort of my thing and she has her things. It is kind of nice having the Jeep for trips together though, so when we're traveling we can both enjoy. She really liked the BMW but always wished it were auto so "she could drive it" on trips (even though she did drive it just fine and normally just chose not to).

Yea, but sometimes its nice to have the sig other take over and drive. I think she'd have a super easy time in the Tesla, but a shitty time in the taco, due to the size+

her car is honestly a pile, yes it is reliable AF, but it is starting to get ugly, and it is super dated inside, and will probably need a bit of maintenance soon (all 4 shocks + tires ~ 3k) I was hoping to "offset" some of the purchase price of the model X by her chipping in. And at this point.... I can't really claim the TACO is for her... unless I am buying it for :pinterest: shit... hmmm interesting idea.

[D Griff]

I was pretty clear from day one in my relationship that she would just have to with and cars she doesn't really like. I don't think she cares at all in my case, it's just sort of my thing and she has her things. It is kind of nice having the Jeep for trips together though, so when we're traveling we can both enjoy. She really liked the BMW but always wished it were auto so "she could drive it" on trips (even though she did drive it just fine and normally just chose not to).

Yea, but sometimes its nice to have the sig other take over and drive. I think she'd have a super easy time in the Tesla, but a shitty time in the taco, due to the size+

her car is honestly a pile, yes it is reliable AF, but it is starting to get ugly, and it is super dated inside, and will probably need a bit of maintenance soon (all 4 shocks + tires ~ 3k) I was hoping to "offset" some of the purchase price of the model X by her chipping in. And at this point.... I can't really claim the TACO is for her... unless I am buying it for :pinterest: shit... hmmm interesting idea.

Does she care though?

[max225]

Yea, but sometimes its nice to have the sig other take over and drive. I think she'd have a super easy time in the Tesla, but a shitty time in the taco, due to the size+

her car is honestly a pile, yes it is reliable AF, but it is starting to get ugly, and it is super dated inside, and will probably need a bit of maintenance soon (all 4 shocks + tires ~ 3k) I was hoping to "offset" some of the purchase price of the model X by her chipping in. And at this point.... I can't really claim the TACO is for her... unless I am buying it for :pinterest: shit... hmmm interesting idea.

Does she care though?

Not really but I care and I drive that POS a lot.

[Tar]

We were quite surprised as well. We have a community pool that our $1k/mo taxes cover, but COVID closed that this year. We've had record heat and drought, so people are doing things to cope I guess. This summer has sucked hard in SE MI. The rest of the state is awesome.

wanted to get an above ground pool until she saw the neighbor's.

Makes sense to be honest I don't envy people with elementary aged kids in the pandemic, at a certain point, are you supposed to do to keep them entertained?

They legit lose motivation too at some point. Break out the Nintendo Switch, an old laptop, Netflix to fill hours.

[wap]

In4house deets Max. Congrats!

[wap]

Man... a face only a mother could love...

Yeah, the facelifts on the Tesla's are about as good as this...

Good lord.

[Johnny_P]

The only thing I can think of it now is an epic time to go on adventures, and a vehicle is rather critical for that. Still

Model X is the opposite of an offroader.

I am looking for an off roader and a long range cruiser ... The Model X fills the long term cruiser box really nicely. "up to" 350miles now... which is nearly 50% more than mini. Also has the epic Tesla supercharger network. For fucks sake they HAD CHARGERS IN DEATH VALLEY. And no I am likely not taking it off road with 20-22" wheels/tires. Hence wanting the taco... I need a utility vehicle in the stable, which I currently don't have at all.

I will be borrowing that old POS taco for the next few weeks and I'll be doing some work on it as "thanks" like changing all 3 belts/plugs and rear shocks which are original at 250k miles

First gen V8 Tundra

[Apex]

Jeep hinting at launching a new Grand Wagoneer on the social media’s?

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Jeep hinting at launching a new Grand Wagoneer on the social media’s?

Hasn't this been one of the worst kept secrets in the industry?

[max225]

First gen V8 Tundra

If he thinks $15k for a 10 year old truck is nuts, wait until he sees $15k for a nearly 20 year old truck.

no

[Apex]

Jeep hinting at launching a new Grand Wagoneer on the social media’s?

Hasn't this been one of the worst kept secrets in the industry?

True... but these are the first pics released by Jeep?
I just saw a start button and an “E E R” badge.

[Apex]

[ChrisoftheNorth]

Hasn't this been one of the worst kept secrets in the industry?

True... but these are the first pics released by Jeep?
I just saw a start button and an “E E R” badge.

Yea, reveal activity is underway.

Don't get too excited, this is one of those things that makes me in my job and the brand.

[Desertbreh]

Depends how smooth/stock like you want the ride to be.

I personally would, but I really like a smooth ride over our garbage roads. You want the control arms to be as parallel with the ground as possible for the smoothest ride over bumps. Where you're at in CA, it might not make a huge difference. You could always try the lift without them, and if you weren't happy with the ride, add them later.

Good call. Although roads in my hood are pretty shit compared to other places.. actually San Diego has pretty shit roads in general unless you’re in the communities.

Miramar Way from the 15 to the Ballast Point Brewery is like Cologne after a thousand plane B-17 raid.

[Desertbreh]

I was pretty clear from day one in my relationship that she would just have to with and cars she doesn't really like. I don't think she cares at all in my case, it's just sort of my thing and she has her things. It is kind of nice having the Jeep for trips together though, so when we're traveling we can both enjoy. She really liked the BMW but always wished it were auto so "she could drive it" on trips (even though she did drive it just fine and normally just chose not to).

Yea, but sometimes its nice to have the sig other take over and drive. I think she'd have a super easy time in the Tesla, but a shitty time in the taco, due to the size+

her car is honestly a pile, yes it is reliable AF, but it is starting to get ugly, and it is super dated inside, and will probably need a bit of maintenance soon (all 4 shocks + tires ~ 3k) I was hoping to "offset" some of the purchase price of the model X by her chipping in. And at this point.... I can't really claim the TACO is for her... unless I am buying it for :pinterest: shit... hmmm interesting idea.

If you think you're going to get away with that you are out of your fucking mind.

[max225]

Yea, but sometimes its nice to have the sig other take over and drive. I think she'd have a super easy time in the Tesla, but a shitty time in the taco, due to the size+

her car is honestly a pile, yes it is reliable AF, but it is starting to get ugly, and it is super dated inside, and will probably need a bit of maintenance soon (all 4 shocks + tires ~ 3k) I was hoping to "offset" some of the purchase price of the model X by her chipping in. And at this point.... I can't really claim the TACO is for her... unless I am buying it for :pinterest: shit... hmmm interesting idea.

If you think you're going to get away with that you are out of your fucking mind.

Well I just got away with it.

[Desertbreh]

If you think you're going to get away with that you are out of your fucking mind.

Well I just got away with it.

Wow, what a loving fiance' you are.

[max225]

Well I just got away with it.

Wow, what a loving fiance' you are.

That’s why she is a fiancé and not a mail order bride. That choice was made for a reason

[SAWCE]

Good call. Although roads in my hood are pretty shit compared to other places.. actually San Diego has pretty shit roads in general unless you’re in the communities.

Miramar Way from the 15 to the Ballast Point Brewery is like Cologne after a thousand plane B-17 raid.

There are some roads we completely avoid if in Michelle‘a Mazda3